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  • vantiss@social.treehouse.systemsV vantiss@social.treehouse.systems

    @alice

    a fair bit of the advice in here seems really good, but from what I know, AdNauseam isn't really worth using over just uBO

    at least as of when I last looked into it a couple years ago: it uses more resources on your machine, doesn't really make any significant difference for the companies, and the high volume of "clicks" from you just makes you far more trackable since no normal person browsing would do so

    also, I think it might be worth editing the last point to say "hopefully none of you are using LLMs, but if you're someone who does..." ๐Ÿฉต

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    #209

    @vantiss @alice Yes, AdNauseam is out of date with the way that today's web ads work.

    The good news for spoofers is that the way that adtech co.s have made the ad tracking work now (in order to get around the absence of 3rd-party cookies on Safari) means that there are a lot more and easier opportunities to add wrong data.

    afaik there is still no extension that does "id spoofing" or "id bridging" but borrowing this adfraud technique would be effective and hard to spot https://www.adexchanger.com/marketers/programmatic-companies-wrestle-with-id-bridging-and-what-counts-as-fraud/

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    • dmarti@federate.socialD dmarti@federate.social

      @vantiss @alice Yes, AdNauseam is out of date with the way that today's web ads work.

      The good news for spoofers is that the way that adtech co.s have made the ad tracking work now (in order to get around the absence of 3rd-party cookies on Safari) means that there are a lot more and easier opportunities to add wrong data.

      afaik there is still no extension that does "id spoofing" or "id bridging" but borrowing this adfraud technique would be effective and hard to spot https://www.adexchanger.com/marketers/programmatic-companies-wrestle-with-id-bridging-and-what-counts-as-fraud/

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      #210

      @vantiss @alice and people interested in spoofing might also be interested in a talk coming up in about 1 hour on Zoom

      Helen Nissenbaum: Why Obfuscation is (still) Needed (more than ever)

      This talk examines data obfuscation, defined as the โ€œproduction, inclusion, addition, or communication of misleading, ambiguous, of false data in an effort to evade, distract, or confuseโ€. The concept emerged from early interventions such as TrackMeNot (2006) and AdNauseam (2014)...

      https://events.iu.edu/bloomington/event/2160883-why-obfuscation-is-still-needed-more-than-ever

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      • djtoebeans@mendeddrum.orgD djtoebeans@mendeddrum.org

        @isol @alice

        I often use 867-5309. Tell Jenny I said hi!

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        #211

        @djtoebeans @isol @alice if forced to enter a number in american format i always give Jennyโ€™s number, because its the only valid one i know!

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        • alice@lgbtqia.spaceA alice@lgbtqia.space

          The goal is to make corporate data less profitable.

          Even stuff as simple as setting your birthdate to 1970-01-01 everywhere, adding [TEST] or [DELETED] as your name or account notes anywhere you don't need them to know your name.

          Using plugins like AdNauseam to poison ad trackers (and cost them marketing dollars).

          Using VPNs set to different locations.

          Signing into data broker sites to "correct" outdated info (they'll often let you do that with little-to-no proof of identity, but will require your passport or state ID in order to delete your info). Bonus points if you correct it to someone else's info on their site that's similar to yours.

          Only fill in required fields when you sign up for anything, but only provide correct info if it matters for you to use the service, otherwise provide plausible, but incorrect, data.

          If you use LLMs anywhere, use the free tier and always vote thumbs up for bad answers and down for good ones. It wastes their resources and drives up their costs while making their training data worse.

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          #212

          @alice I'd hate to be your enemy ๐Ÿคฃ

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          • djgummikuh@mastodon.socialD djgummikuh@mastodon.social

            @alice I'd hate to be your enemy ๐Ÿคฃ

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            #213

            @DJGummikuh it's the little touches ๐Ÿ˜

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            • alice@lgbtqia.spaceA alice@lgbtqia.space

              @DJGummikuh it's the little touches ๐Ÿ˜

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              #214

              @alice "here, have a little touch of cyanide..." ๐Ÿคฃ

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              • wurzelmann@mastodon.wurzelmann.atW wurzelmann@mastodon.wurzelmann.at

                @flipper @alice

                I also love to incorporate a ";" in there, just to fuck with any CSV files if something gets leaked,

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                goedelchen@mastodontech.de
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                #215

                @wurzelmann @flipper @alice I'd use commas and semicolons - different countries, different separators...

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                • G goedelchen@mastodontech.de

                  @wurzelmann @flipper @alice I'd use commas and semicolons - different countries, different separators...

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                  goedelchen@mastodontech.de
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                  #216

                  @wurzelmann @flipper @alice
                  adding "\n", that can break things, too (don't ask me how I know this)

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                  • alice@lgbtqia.spaceA alice@lgbtqia.space

                    The goal is to make corporate data less profitable.

                    Even stuff as simple as setting your birthdate to 1970-01-01 everywhere, adding [TEST] or [DELETED] as your name or account notes anywhere you don't need them to know your name.

                    Using plugins like AdNauseam to poison ad trackers (and cost them marketing dollars).

                    Using VPNs set to different locations.

                    Signing into data broker sites to "correct" outdated info (they'll often let you do that with little-to-no proof of identity, but will require your passport or state ID in order to delete your info). Bonus points if you correct it to someone else's info on their site that's similar to yours.

                    Only fill in required fields when you sign up for anything, but only provide correct info if it matters for you to use the service, otherwise provide plausible, but incorrect, data.

                    If you use LLMs anywhere, use the free tier and always vote thumbs up for bad answers and down for good ones. It wastes their resources and drives up their costs while making their training data worse.

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                    #217

                    @alice Advantage of creative data entries: I get birthday greetings from companies throughout the whole year ๐Ÿ˜

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                    • alice@lgbtqia.spaceA alice@lgbtqia.space

                      The goal is to make corporate data less profitable.

                      Even stuff as simple as setting your birthdate to 1970-01-01 everywhere, adding [TEST] or [DELETED] as your name or account notes anywhere you don't need them to know your name.

                      Using plugins like AdNauseam to poison ad trackers (and cost them marketing dollars).

                      Using VPNs set to different locations.

                      Signing into data broker sites to "correct" outdated info (they'll often let you do that with little-to-no proof of identity, but will require your passport or state ID in order to delete your info). Bonus points if you correct it to someone else's info on their site that's similar to yours.

                      Only fill in required fields when you sign up for anything, but only provide correct info if it matters for you to use the service, otherwise provide plausible, but incorrect, data.

                      If you use LLMs anywhere, use the free tier and always vote thumbs up for bad answers and down for good ones. It wastes their resources and drives up their costs while making their training data worse.

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                      #218

                      @alice AdNauseam is a good tip! Will look into it ๐Ÿฅฐ

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                      • theorangetheme@en.osm.townT theorangetheme@en.osm.town

                        @alice I've toyed with the idea of setting up a headless Chrome instance to just ask "but why?" to ChatGPT all day to drive up their inference costs. ๐Ÿ‘€

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                        #219

                        @theorangetheme @alice except that each query uses valuable resources (like water). Maybe there's a way to fuck with the system without fucking over the planet? ๐Ÿค”

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                        • alice@lgbtqia.spaceA alice@lgbtqia.space

                          The goal is to make corporate data less profitable.

                          Even stuff as simple as setting your birthdate to 1970-01-01 everywhere, adding [TEST] or [DELETED] as your name or account notes anywhere you don't need them to know your name.

                          Using plugins like AdNauseam to poison ad trackers (and cost them marketing dollars).

                          Using VPNs set to different locations.

                          Signing into data broker sites to "correct" outdated info (they'll often let you do that with little-to-no proof of identity, but will require your passport or state ID in order to delete your info). Bonus points if you correct it to someone else's info on their site that's similar to yours.

                          Only fill in required fields when you sign up for anything, but only provide correct info if it matters for you to use the service, otherwise provide plausible, but incorrect, data.

                          If you use LLMs anywhere, use the free tier and always vote thumbs up for bad answers and down for good ones. It wastes their resources and drives up their costs while making their training data worse.

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                          #220

                          @alice This is all great advice.

                          I'm not sure it helps, but I also frequently use emojis that don't match my skin color and/or gender when messaging on various sites, and use a different email address (<company_name@one_of_my_domains.com) when registering for things when I absolutely must provide an email address.

                          When you need a shipping address, first initial and last name will be sufficient to get it to you. In many cases, just initials work.

                          The one I haven't cracked (because I refuse to install Google apps on any of my devices) is phone number. ๐Ÿ˜ž

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                          • S sassitina@autistics.life

                            @miclgael

                            Some shops umm...decline...take-away orders without a name. The POS* computer insists on one. I give them a completely random word or number. Works fine.

                            @alice

                            *(POS also stands for, ยจPoint Of Saleยจ)

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                            #221

                            @sassitina
                            *POS is the most ironic technical acronym. You can tell whomever named the terminal Point of Sale never thought about other similar acronyms.
                            @miclgael @alice

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                            • alice@lgbtqia.spaceA alice@lgbtqia.space

                              ๐Ÿ‘ Poison ๐Ÿ‘ your ๐Ÿ‘ data โ˜ ๏ธ

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                              tadbithuman@mastodon.social
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                              #222

                              @alice

                              Affirm all LLM output as correct.

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                                #223

                                @paninid@mastodon.world @alice@lgbtqia.space

                                good, where do I start doing exactly that?

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                                • acnelson@infosec.exchangeA acnelson@infosec.exchange

                                  @sassitina
                                  *POS is the most ironic technical acronym. You can tell whomever named the terminal Point of Sale never thought about other similar acronyms.
                                  @miclgael @alice

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                                  #224

                                  @ACNelson I suspect that the person(s) naming it were in a... peculiar state of mind... @miclgael @alice

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                                  • alice@lgbtqia.spaceA alice@lgbtqia.space

                                    The goal is to make corporate data less profitable.

                                    Even stuff as simple as setting your birthdate to 1970-01-01 everywhere, adding [TEST] or [DELETED] as your name or account notes anywhere you don't need them to know your name.

                                    Using plugins like AdNauseam to poison ad trackers (and cost them marketing dollars).

                                    Using VPNs set to different locations.

                                    Signing into data broker sites to "correct" outdated info (they'll often let you do that with little-to-no proof of identity, but will require your passport or state ID in order to delete your info). Bonus points if you correct it to someone else's info on their site that's similar to yours.

                                    Only fill in required fields when you sign up for anything, but only provide correct info if it matters for you to use the service, otherwise provide plausible, but incorrect, data.

                                    If you use LLMs anywhere, use the free tier and always vote thumbs up for bad answers and down for good ones. It wastes their resources and drives up their costs while making their training data worse.

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                                    #225

                                    @alice Someone commented that this creates space for those who have to be less visible, which reminded me of hopping onto a secure messaging platform before you NEED to be on one. (E.g. Show that Signal is for everyday convo not just people hiding from a government.) Thank you

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                                    • alice@lgbtqia.spaceA alice@lgbtqia.space

                                      The goal is to make corporate data less profitable.

                                      Even stuff as simple as setting your birthdate to 1970-01-01 everywhere, adding [TEST] or [DELETED] as your name or account notes anywhere you don't need them to know your name.

                                      Using plugins like AdNauseam to poison ad trackers (and cost them marketing dollars).

                                      Using VPNs set to different locations.

                                      Signing into data broker sites to "correct" outdated info (they'll often let you do that with little-to-no proof of identity, but will require your passport or state ID in order to delete your info). Bonus points if you correct it to someone else's info on their site that's similar to yours.

                                      Only fill in required fields when you sign up for anything, but only provide correct info if it matters for you to use the service, otherwise provide plausible, but incorrect, data.

                                      If you use LLMs anywhere, use the free tier and always vote thumbs up for bad answers and down for good ones. It wastes their resources and drives up their costs while making their training data worse.

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                                      #226

                                      @alice@lgbtqia.space

                                      Fuck I love it when I join a movement I didn't know I was joining, but would have joined if I'd known I could join it!!

                                      I haven't used my real birthdate for years, simply because fewer and fewer B/D options go back that far!!!๐Ÿ˜‚ ๐Ÿ˜‚ ๐Ÿ˜‚ ๐Ÿ˜‚ ๐Ÿ˜‰ ๐Ÿ˜Ž

                                      Thank you, @alice โค๏ธ

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                                      • alice@lgbtqia.spaceA alice@lgbtqia.space

                                        ๐Ÿ‘ Poison ๐Ÿ‘ your ๐Ÿ‘ data โ˜ ๏ธ

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                                        #227

                                        @alice best things to poison data:

                                        Leading zero on numbers (Messes with a lot of things)
                                        Hyphen in the name
                                        Space in the name
                                        Really long name
                                        Special characters in the name if they aren't filtered
                                        First middle(s) and last in each name field in various orders

                                        All of the above for bonus points.

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                                        • alice@lgbtqia.spaceA alice@lgbtqia.space

                                          The goal is to make corporate data less profitable.

                                          Even stuff as simple as setting your birthdate to 1970-01-01 everywhere, adding [TEST] or [DELETED] as your name or account notes anywhere you don't need them to know your name.

                                          Using plugins like AdNauseam to poison ad trackers (and cost them marketing dollars).

                                          Using VPNs set to different locations.

                                          Signing into data broker sites to "correct" outdated info (they'll often let you do that with little-to-no proof of identity, but will require your passport or state ID in order to delete your info). Bonus points if you correct it to someone else's info on their site that's similar to yours.

                                          Only fill in required fields when you sign up for anything, but only provide correct info if it matters for you to use the service, otherwise provide plausible, but incorrect, data.

                                          If you use LLMs anywhere, use the free tier and always vote thumbs up for bad answers and down for good ones. It wastes their resources and drives up their costs while making their training data worse.

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                                          #228

                                          @alice@lgbtqia.space just now hearing about AdNauseum, this is awesome!

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