After years inside datacenters, it’s hard to be afraid of AI killing all humans.
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@matdevdug Do you even have to go inside? I've been looking at some of the emf based anti-drone technology being used on the modern battlefield and have to believe it would impart the same sort of destuction on the circuits inside a data center. Assuming it could be built 'at home'. I imagine its only a matter of time until we see someone try it.
@Hextore @matdevdug All those portable generators outside with their temporary gas lines are extremely vulnerable to some very low tech solutions. Just sayin'.
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After years inside datacenters, it’s hard to be afraid of AI killing all humans. I've seen the "secure facility." It's a chain link fence and a guy named Gary.
Night shift is usually 10-20 people. Two hundred people could shut a datacenter down with nothing but a Wikipedia article on fiber optics and some enthusiasm. Start swinging and you’ll hit something valuable pretty fast.
The "secure cages"? Chain link. The lobby's got badges and mancatchers and a guard who checks your ID like it insulted him. Out back it's a sliding metal door, propped open with a folding chair by whoever's waiting on FedEx.
It's not a fortress. It's a strip mall with better cable management.
@matdevdug
Secure cages are hilarious. One noc I used to use sold the company on all its biometric safeguards, but inside of a month, no palm, no retina, no otp... Just sign on a piece of paper in the lobby and roam around freely in a big room full of cages.
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After years inside datacenters, it’s hard to be afraid of AI killing all humans. I've seen the "secure facility." It's a chain link fence and a guy named Gary.
Night shift is usually 10-20 people. Two hundred people could shut a datacenter down with nothing but a Wikipedia article on fiber optics and some enthusiasm. Start swinging and you’ll hit something valuable pretty fast.
The "secure cages"? Chain link. The lobby's got badges and mancatchers and a guard who checks your ID like it insulted him. Out back it's a sliding metal door, propped open with a folding chair by whoever's waiting on FedEx.
It's not a fortress. It's a strip mall with better cable management.
@matdevdug and we dont even need to go there. just grab a spade
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@matdevdug I am not an expert on electronics, but let's say somebody with a pair of 20 Kg of salt sacks got to the water refrigeration system. Would it be good?
@Illuminatus @matdevdug I've been curious about corn starch. Mixes readily into cold water, gets gummy as the water warms up.
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@Illuminatus @matdevdug I've been curious about corn starch. Mixes readily into cold water, gets gummy as the water warms up.
@gneilyo @matdevdug Not only that, but also with movement.
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After years inside datacenters, it’s hard to be afraid of AI killing all humans. I've seen the "secure facility." It's a chain link fence and a guy named Gary.
Night shift is usually 10-20 people. Two hundred people could shut a datacenter down with nothing but a Wikipedia article on fiber optics and some enthusiasm. Start swinging and you’ll hit something valuable pretty fast.
The "secure cages"? Chain link. The lobby's got badges and mancatchers and a guard who checks your ID like it insulted him. Out back it's a sliding metal door, propped open with a folding chair by whoever's waiting on FedEx.
It's not a fortress. It's a strip mall with better cable management.
@matdevdug It sounds to me like the people keeping it 'secure' could be defeated if the local angry townsfolk simply collectively decided to march on them and make sure its without the cops having warning of it
what is security gonna do, shoot all of the townsfolk? it'd be a scandal easily large enough to incite mass revolt ,they can't have that. Likewise the cops couldnt arrest everyone in an *entire town*, nor stop them by the time they get inside and destroy it all.
normally this sort of option isn't possible, but in this case it is for many data centers. would just need to convince the townspeople to ignore the law for a bit.
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After years inside datacenters, it’s hard to be afraid of AI killing all humans. I've seen the "secure facility." It's a chain link fence and a guy named Gary.
Night shift is usually 10-20 people. Two hundred people could shut a datacenter down with nothing but a Wikipedia article on fiber optics and some enthusiasm. Start swinging and you’ll hit something valuable pretty fast.
The "secure cages"? Chain link. The lobby's got badges and mancatchers and a guard who checks your ID like it insulted him. Out back it's a sliding metal door, propped open with a folding chair by whoever's waiting on FedEx.
It's not a fortress. It's a strip mall with better cable management.
@matdevdug Physical security nothing, LLMs just straight up couldn't do it. Stick them inside a robot body and they'll need either a constantly active high bandwidth low latency data connection to data centers (which I guess means overwhelming the cellular networks which would leave them intermittently failing as the networks struggled even to keep up) or run locally very very slowly and a battery life of 2 minutes. And then they'll mistake a picture on a wall for being a human and attack said wall for the 0.1 minutes they have left.
However, I could see some complete idiot putting one in charge of missiles or something and it triggers something when they told it to trigger something but don't actually. And I think we know who's really at fault then...
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After years inside datacenters, it’s hard to be afraid of AI killing all humans. I've seen the "secure facility." It's a chain link fence and a guy named Gary.
Night shift is usually 10-20 people. Two hundred people could shut a datacenter down with nothing but a Wikipedia article on fiber optics and some enthusiasm. Start swinging and you’ll hit something valuable pretty fast.
The "secure cages"? Chain link. The lobby's got badges and mancatchers and a guard who checks your ID like it insulted him. Out back it's a sliding metal door, propped open with a folding chair by whoever's waiting on FedEx.
It's not a fortress. It's a strip mall with better cable management.
@matdevdug Ukraine continues to teach Russia that facilities built in that manner are vulnerable to cheap-ass drone attacks.
One or two attacks on US data centers would likely jack up the insurance rates for all of them.
Just saying.
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@matdevdug i am assuming if any shenanigans happen that LE can and will geofence to see who might of been around the DC that day.
my suggestion is if you must:
leave the phone and all fancy devices at home
cover your face if you gotta walk through a surveilled public area
take public transportation
if you can, don’t directly get off near the DC
if you are picked up by LE, stfu and get a lawyer
(These are of course only suggestions)
@cyberquixote @matdevdug Geofences rely on physical locality.
Cheap ass drones destroy that assumption (among other things).
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@cyberquixote @matdevdug Geofences rely on physical locality.
Cheap ass drones destroy that assumption (among other things).
true but drones are still loud af, also its silly to think they won’t be able to trace it back, especially if you decided to spend money digitally or have a trail online of you looking up drone stuff.
you can make it harder to pinpoint but if they’re determined and funded well enough they can probably find you :3
my previous suggestions aren’t bulletproof either.
also consider that orgs are trying to upgrade their security before this becomes a bigger issue so you may have to deal with measures that can spot you or your shenanigans outside the perimeter of the property.
REMEMBER THIS IS ONLY A SUGGESTION, IF YOU ACTUALLY DO THIS AND WIND UP IN PRISON, THAT IS ON YOU.
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@JustinDerrick There are absolutely datacenters this secure. The ones I've been in personally have been for financial trading. Those followed the security procedures you would expect. Lots of armed guards, entirely inaccessible by the street, two security checks for incoming packages and deliveries on freight elevators.
LLM datacenters are not that. They are the cheap design of datacenter, where it's basically as secure as a warehouse.
@matdevdug @JustinDerrick Switch in Vegas (which houses both DoD and root servers for both DNS and CA) equips their security teams with MP-5s. A coworker almost got merc'd there one day because he ran after his cab to get a forgotten bag. They're not all this slipshod and you do not want to guess wrong about which kind you picked. Just saying.
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@matdevdug Do you even have to go inside? I've been looking at some of the emf based anti-drone technology being used on the modern battlefield and have to believe it would impart the same sort of destuction on the circuits inside a data center. Assuming it could be built 'at home'. I imagine its only a matter of time until we see someone try it.
@Hextore but why destroy electronics? remember, once inside, there are THOUSANDS of FREE graphics cards and a LOT of RAM, also FREE for the taking @matdevdug
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After years inside datacenters, it’s hard to be afraid of AI killing all humans. I've seen the "secure facility." It's a chain link fence and a guy named Gary.
Night shift is usually 10-20 people. Two hundred people could shut a datacenter down with nothing but a Wikipedia article on fiber optics and some enthusiasm. Start swinging and you’ll hit something valuable pretty fast.
The "secure cages"? Chain link. The lobby's got badges and mancatchers and a guard who checks your ID like it insulted him. Out back it's a sliding metal door, propped open with a folding chair by whoever's waiting on FedEx.
It's not a fortress. It's a strip mall with better cable management.
@matdevdug I'm gonna preserve this whole thread for ... eh ... sociological purposes later on. 🤭
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@matdevdug I'm gonna preserve this whole thread for ... eh ... sociological purposes later on. 🤭
@bent0_b0x @matdevdug Yes we should save that. Just in case we need to rescue some poor IT guy who's gonna get eaten by hungry LLMs and really needs rescuing fast!
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After years inside datacenters, it’s hard to be afraid of AI killing all humans. I've seen the "secure facility." It's a chain link fence and a guy named Gary.
Night shift is usually 10-20 people. Two hundred people could shut a datacenter down with nothing but a Wikipedia article on fiber optics and some enthusiasm. Start swinging and you’ll hit something valuable pretty fast.
The "secure cages"? Chain link. The lobby's got badges and mancatchers and a guard who checks your ID like it insulted him. Out back it's a sliding metal door, propped open with a folding chair by whoever's waiting on FedEx.
It's not a fortress. It's a strip mall with better cable management.
@matdevdug I am not convinced that will not happen, but it will be evil stupid, not evil genius.
The current level of faith in LLM tools is like if people would go on to elect a demented megalomaniac for president -
After years inside datacenters, it’s hard to be afraid of AI killing all humans. I've seen the "secure facility." It's a chain link fence and a guy named Gary.
Night shift is usually 10-20 people. Two hundred people could shut a datacenter down with nothing but a Wikipedia article on fiber optics and some enthusiasm. Start swinging and you’ll hit something valuable pretty fast.
The "secure cages"? Chain link. The lobby's got badges and mancatchers and a guard who checks your ID like it insulted him. Out back it's a sliding metal door, propped open with a folding chair by whoever's waiting on FedEx.
It's not a fortress. It's a strip mall with better cable management.
I'm remembering Richard Feynman's reports of & shenanigans around "security" during the Manhattan Project.
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@matdevdug well maybe we don't need humans. A few ducks (or maybe geese for the better!) can do the job already https://mastodon.online/@Pepijn/115021948428162829
Immediately where my mind went
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After years inside datacenters, it’s hard to be afraid of AI killing all humans. I've seen the "secure facility." It's a chain link fence and a guy named Gary.
Night shift is usually 10-20 people. Two hundred people could shut a datacenter down with nothing but a Wikipedia article on fiber optics and some enthusiasm. Start swinging and you’ll hit something valuable pretty fast.
The "secure cages"? Chain link. The lobby's got badges and mancatchers and a guard who checks your ID like it insulted him. Out back it's a sliding metal door, propped open with a folding chair by whoever's waiting on FedEx.
It's not a fortress. It's a strip mall with better cable management.
@matdevdug I've been inside several FISMA High data centers, supposedly ultra super secure facilities. Basically the only thing they add to your description is more doors that require keycard access, and it least one that scans your eyeballs.
The last one I was in required keycard access to get into the snack/break room for some reason. Because you needed proper security clearance to grab a Snickers and a Gatoraid I guess.
That place did have good snacks though.
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After years inside datacenters, it’s hard to be afraid of AI killing all humans. I've seen the "secure facility." It's a chain link fence and a guy named Gary.
Night shift is usually 10-20 people. Two hundred people could shut a datacenter down with nothing but a Wikipedia article on fiber optics and some enthusiasm. Start swinging and you’ll hit something valuable pretty fast.
The "secure cages"? Chain link. The lobby's got badges and mancatchers and a guard who checks your ID like it insulted him. Out back it's a sliding metal door, propped open with a folding chair by whoever's waiting on FedEx.
It's not a fortress. It's a strip mall with better cable management.
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After years inside datacenters, it’s hard to be afraid of AI killing all humans. I've seen the "secure facility." It's a chain link fence and a guy named Gary.
Night shift is usually 10-20 people. Two hundred people could shut a datacenter down with nothing but a Wikipedia article on fiber optics and some enthusiasm. Start swinging and you’ll hit something valuable pretty fast.
The "secure cages"? Chain link. The lobby's got badges and mancatchers and a guard who checks your ID like it insulted him. Out back it's a sliding metal door, propped open with a folding chair by whoever's waiting on FedEx.
It's not a fortress. It's a strip mall with better cable management.
@matdevdug Last time I was in a datacentre, and a fairly critical one in London at that, they accepted my colleagues gym membership card as ID and didn’t even ask for mine.
