My kids complained once that my husband and I knew too much about technology; we were the wrong generation.
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@paul_ipv6 @johntimaeus @wendynather there was a time when you could fit all the backbone engineers in the world in a bus. And sometimes we did.
@petrillic @paul_ipv6 @wendynather
Serial or parallel?
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@paul_ipv6 @johntimaeus @wendynather there was a time when you could fit all the backbone engineers in the world in a bus. And sometimes we did.
@paul_ipv6 @johntimaeus @wendynather of course that was also a time when I could call Tony Li at all hours with a problem.
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@paul_ipv6 @johntimaeus @wendynather there was a time when you could fit all the backbone engineers in the world in a bus. And sometimes we did.
@petrillic @johntimaeus @wendynather
one of the really early NANOGs at merit, folks realized that a bomb at that meeting and the internet might never work again. probably 50 folks at the meeting?
i do remember a day when we got a bug fix from tony li and we loaded it based on "boots in the lab" and rebooted about 70% of all the core backbone routers from a terminal room at a usenix conference. didn't make the papers, no one fired us.
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@paul_ipv6 @johntimaeus @wendynather of course that was also a time when I could call Tony Li at all hours with a problem.
Cisco customer support isn’t that good any more.@petrillic @johntimaeus @wendynather
if you weren't running a cisco ios load with a cisco engineer's initials in the version string, you weren't a tier 1 isp.
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@petrillic @johntimaeus @wendynather
if you weren't running a cisco ios load with a cisco engineer's initials in the version string, you weren't a tier 1 isp.
@paul_ipv6 @petrillic @wendynather
Putting in a ticket on a RocketPort terminal card and getting a call from Ted T'so, who had a driver fix in about 30 minutes made me realize how small the world was at that time.
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@paul_ipv6 @petrillic @wendynather
Putting in a ticket on a RocketPort terminal card and getting a call from Ted T'so, who had a driver fix in about 30 minutes made me realize how small the world was at that time.
@johntimaeus @petrillic @wendynather
yeah. we'd find bugs and talk to tony or paul or dino, then they'd have us put in a ticket w tac and email them them ticket number so they could grab it.
when cisco "outlawed" talking directly to engineers, life really started to suck.
had similar relationships with the sun foks.
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@paul_ipv6 @johntimaeus @wendynather we all make mistakes
@petrillic @paul_ipv6 @wendynather
The Dover training space was really nice. Top floor of an old fabric mill, owned by NorthWestern Mutual Insurance.
They stored some of the art collection there.
Renoir ballerina sketches hanging next to the elevators.The cafeteria was good too.
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@johntimaeus @petrillic @wendynather
yeah. we'd find bugs and talk to tony or paul or dino, then they'd have us put in a ticket w tac and email them them ticket number so they could grab it.
when cisco "outlawed" talking directly to engineers, life really started to suck.
had similar relationships with the sun foks.
@paul_ipv6 @petrillic @wendynather
Names I'd forgotten.
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@petrillic @johntimaeus @wendynather
if you weren't running a cisco ios load with a cisco engineer's initials in the version string, you weren't a tier 1 isp.
@paul_ipv6 @johntimaeus @wendynather I think every router in the fleet ran a slightly custom build. Definitely edge v peer v core. Just fell over a lot.
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@paul_ipv6 @johntimaeus @wendynather I think every router in the fleet ran a slightly custom build. Definitely edge v peer v core. Just fell over a lot.
@petrillic @johntimaeus @wendynather
the internet is the "dancing bear" of networks.
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@wendynather I once worked for Dave Clark, I think he's like 82 now. I've still got a few decades to go, thankfully.
@wollman @wendynather I’m 82 and I’m the main tech support for my friends and family.
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@petrillic @johntimaeus @wendynather
the internet is the "dancing bear" of networks.
@paul_ipv6 @johntimaeus @wendynather so much more fun before the MBA and VC got involved.
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@paul_ipv6 @johntimaeus @wendynather we all make mistakes
@johntimaeus @wendynather @paul_ipv6 @petrillic just sounds to me like you all need to try again.
Back to dialup then? Take two? Anyone?
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@johntimaeus @wendynather @paul_ipv6 @petrillic just sounds to me like you all need to try again.
Back to dialup then? Take two? Anyone?
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@paul_ipv6 @mitka @johntimaeus @wendynather bigtex!utexas!petrilli
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@paul_ipv6 @mitka @johntimaeus @wendynather bigtex!utexas!petrilli
@petrillic @mitka @johntimaeus @wendynather
uunet!selidor!pae
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RE: https://infosec.exchange/@jbhall56/117304799813737763
My kids complained once that my husband and I knew too much about technology; we were the wrong generation. I said, “Honey, who do you think BUILT the Internet?”
@wendynather
Well young people today believe they invented hanging out (wait, I got a great new idea, we could just meet without any phones, eat snacks and talk!) and vegetable soup (uh, I just figured out that you could fry food BUT USE WATER INSTEAD OF OIL).- don't expect them to understand the internet...
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RE: https://infosec.exchange/@jbhall56/117304799813737763
My kids complained once that my husband and I knew too much about technology; we were the wrong generation. I said, “Honey, who do you think BUILT the Internet?”
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@paul_ipv6 @wendynather it was. And PIP (our proposal) was the super future looking. So they decided to go with a monstrosity composed of a bunch of different things none of which are wrong necessarily but which don’t tell a cohesive story. Combine that with the introduction of NAT and… well here we are 30 years later.
@petrillic @paul_ipv6 @wendynather
In hindsight, it is obvious that there were IPng proposals and concepts NSA really didn't want to happen.
For instance flow-routing would have made their "collect everything" a lot more expensive.
Same, probably to a lesser degree with multi-homing.
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i still apologize regularly for having helped build the internet.
@paul_ipv6 @wendynather the one that really needs to apologize is the one who let the ads in. When they let for profit use into the internet, that was the worst possible decision and responsible for the current mess/the beginning of enshittification.
