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I don't want to laugh at someone's real distress but this IS very funny ...

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  • natasha_jay@tech.lgbtN natasha_jay@tech.lgbt

    I don't want to laugh at someone's real distress but this IS very funny ...

    staceycornelius@zeroes.caS This user is from outside of this forum
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    #47

    @Natasha_Jay Really curious how important it is for this business to have a chatbot present during the overnight hours, especially taking orders instead of having a checkout/payment gateway like so many have been doing for... how many years?

    Also, FAQs and contact forms yeah never mind someone gulped down the koolaid smh

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    • natasha_jay@tech.lgbtN natasha_jay@tech.lgbt

      I don't want to laugh at someone's real distress but this IS very funny ...

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      #48

      @Natasha_Jay You deserve every bit of this is you've given workers jobs to AI. Cost of business, I hope he loses in court and has to fulfill the order.

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      • orb2069@mastodon.onlineO orb2069@mastodon.online

        @Natasha_Jay @gareth

        "Accidental mispricing doesn't have to be honoured anyway in most cases I've seen"

        ... Curious about which jurisdiction you're referring to - most of the US has very explicit rules about this.

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        #49

        @Orb2069 @Natasha_Jay @gareth

        In Australia, the key idea seems to be that an advertised price is "an invitation to treat", and the sale doesn't complete until the customer's offer to buy at that price is accepted by the vendor.
        (IANAL)

        https://legalvision.com.au/what-is-an-invitation-to-treat/

        has examples, and the one with the incorrect price on the website seems close.

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        • natasha_jay@tech.lgbtN natasha_jay@tech.lgbt

          I don't want to laugh at someone's real distress but this IS very funny ...

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          #50

          @Natasha_Jay Hah, I admire the patience of the customer working on that chatbot until he got that 80% discount.

          An AI doesn't understand the concept that it's an undesirable outcome for the business to lose a bunch of money. A human would have hit a wall at a certain point in the negotiation, and not gone below that, *even without prior instructions about the biggest discount to offer.* An AI just has no judgement or understanding of that sort.

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          • sgtpepere@ludosphere.frS sgtpepere@ludosphere.fr

            @Natasha_Jay The end is scary: the user thinks the chatbot tried to impress the customer ...

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            #51

            @sgtpepere yeah that stood out to me @Natasha_Jay

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            • natasha_jay@tech.lgbtN natasha_jay@tech.lgbt

              I don't want to laugh at someone's real distress but this IS very funny ...

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              #52

              @Natasha_Jay

              This company was stupid enough to put a #sloperator in charge of the customer service.

              Should be considered binding and legal. And for a company is just a 6000 GBP lesson.

              And that judgement should be used ANYWHERE for any shit company that decides to use slop.

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              • rachelthornsub@famichiki.jpR rachelthornsub@famichiki.jp

                @sellathechemist @Natasha_Jay Well, apparently chatbots are eager to please, and can be manipulated into saying absurd things.

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                #53

                @RachelThornSub @Natasha_Jay "Rackets go up and vhere zey come down.Zat's not my department says Wernher von Braun".

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                • natasha_jay@tech.lgbtN natasha_jay@tech.lgbt

                  I don't want to laugh at someone's real distress but this IS very funny ...

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                  #54

                  @Natasha_Jay not surprised, UK interest rates high, many businesses that can't raise capital through debt to fund themselves or their growth turn to AI as a cheap way of doing that

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                  • natasha_jay@tech.lgbtN natasha_jay@tech.lgbt

                    I don't want to laugh at someone's real distress but this IS very funny ...

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                    #55

                    @Natasha_Jay The fact that they still don't see AI as the issue is really disheartening. Like OK, don't remove the AI and deal with this over and over again then. If you're that stubborn about keeping something as stupid as AI, then you kind of deserve to get ripped off.

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                    • natasha_jay@tech.lgbtN natasha_jay@tech.lgbt

                      I don't want to laugh at someone's real distress but this IS very funny ...

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                      #56

                      @Natasha_Jay nice, I hope the customer gets the 80% discount

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                      • natasha_jay@tech.lgbtN natasha_jay@tech.lgbt

                        @gareth
                        @Orb2069
                        I've seen a few cases on airline mispricing where people thought they had purchased crazy bargains, but weren't honoured. I don't think this is black and white. Honest mistakes don't have to be honoured in Europe from what I've seen. But where algorithms start to meet AI per jurisdiction, I think we're in new territory and T&Cs will apply

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                        #57

                        @Natasha_Jay @gareth @Orb2069 it's definitely not black and white in USA, there's a significant amount of room for stuff like "no reasonable person would expect this to be true" and I kinda suspect "clearly tried to mislead support/chatbot" would fall in there too. it's kinda important to ensure clear bugs ($1000 of gold for $1!) don't bankrupt people instantly.

                        though I do REALLY want people to pay penalties for these bots' decisions, because it's the only way to reasonably push back (outside simply banning them).

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                        • natasha_jay@tech.lgbtN natasha_jay@tech.lgbt

                          I don't want to laugh at someone's real distress but this IS very funny ...

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                          #58

                          @Natasha_Jay

                          Business hours should be business hours again.
                          Anyone wants me between 6pm and when I get there next day can say 'thank you' after I've settled in and then ask.

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                          • natasha_jay@tech.lgbtN natasha_jay@tech.lgbt

                            I don't want to laugh at someone's real distress but this IS very funny ...

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                            #59

                            @Natasha_Jay I do!
                            Stop using AI chat bots silly people!

                            (Yes im aware its not always that easy. Life changes. But also we've been solving these problems for decades. Dont give in. And of course im not actually laughing at suffering)

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                            • natasha_jay@tech.lgbtN natasha_jay@tech.lgbt

                              I don't want to laugh at someone's real distress but this IS very funny ...

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                              #60

                              @Natasha_Jay fantastic

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                              • natasha_jay@tech.lgbtN natasha_jay@tech.lgbt

                                I don't want to laugh at someone's real distress but this IS very funny ...

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                                #61

                                @Natasha_Jay there was a similar case about this, they had to honor the chatbot pricing https://www.bbc.com/travel/article/20240222-air-canada-chatbot-misinformation-what-travellers-should-know

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                                • natasha_jay@tech.lgbtN natasha_jay@tech.lgbt

                                  I don't want to laugh at someone's real distress but this IS very funny ...

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                                  #62

                                  @Natasha_Jay@tech.lgbt there is a universe where this works...

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                                  • natasha_jay@tech.lgbtN natasha_jay@tech.lgbt

                                    I don't want to laugh at someone's real distress but this IS very funny ...

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                                    #63

                                    @Natasha_Jay

                                    If it's a small business they may truly not have known the realities of AI. I can't imagine the lies he's been fed about it.

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                                    • natasha_jay@tech.lgbtN natasha_jay@tech.lgbt

                                      I don't want to laugh at someone's real distress but this IS very funny ...

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                                      #64

                                      @Natasha_Jay I'll laughs for you, no worries!

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                                      • natasha_jay@tech.lgbtN natasha_jay@tech.lgbt

                                        I don't want to laugh at someone's real distress but this IS very funny ...

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                                        #65

                                        @Natasha_Jay I will laugh at someone's misfortune if it is entirely avoidable and self-inflicted

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                                        • natasha_jay@tech.lgbtN natasha_jay@tech.lgbt

                                          I don't want to laugh at someone's real distress but this IS very funny ...

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                                          #66

                                          @Natasha_Jay Looool

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