20,000 mail accounts.
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@AberdeenLocal1312 @anneroth @cavallette it is a loss, and we mourn it. but we can spin up their idea and concept a thousandfold instead and create a spiderweb!
@brabo @AberdeenLocal1312 @anneroth @cavallette I think the fall of A/I shows the futility of the services it provided being no longer relevant against an enemy operating from imaginary rules. Any replica will meet with the same conclusions. From here on, everything of consequence happens offline.
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@brabo @AberdeenLocal1312 @anneroth @cavallette I think the fall of A/I shows the futility of the services it provided being no longer relevant against an enemy operating from imaginary rules. Any replica will meet with the same conclusions. From here on, everything of consequence happens offline.
@Richard_Harloe_Caldwell @AberdeenLocal1312 @anneroth @cavallette i think not. i think i am seeing a thousandfold collectives spring up and rise up, leap like a frog and soar like a leaf in the wind..
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@Marloezovic @anneroth @cavallette Ik zou het graag willen luisteren maar op de NRC moet je wel een abonnement hebben.
Maar het blijkt wel hier toegangelijk te zijn. Al met een minute reklames in het begin van de podcast.
@the_wub @Marloezovic @anneroth @cavallette ik heb al jaren deze feed gebruikt om gratis te luisteren. Recentelijk heb ik ook abonnee geworden om ze te steunen.
Dit zal op iedere podcast app werken.
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20,000 mail accounts.
20,000 blogs.
5,000 mailing lists.
1,500 websites.In Europe.
Run by volunteers of @cavallette, perfectly legal, and decidedly antifascist, feminist, queer.
Destroyed and shut down by Trump's administration, extra legally.
It is astonishingly quiet.
#Autistici
@anneroth @cavallette "First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a CommunistThen they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a SocialistThen they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionistThen they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a JewThen they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me"
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@anneroth @cavallette Europe should put "The Heritage Foundation" on the European terrorlist.
All for it. My nomination: how about putting that awful data-replublican, musks most influential one-woman todeslistenersteller, on the list of sanctioned individuals? Doing these lists for political reasons is already a crime in germany, and she made lists w/ individuals in iran, nicaragua, venezuela and germany…
(just incase some germans still think we aren't a top priority gop/MAGA target or buys the dumb buffoon act they like to put on.)
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@barbra @anneroth @cavallette An alternate DNS root only helps to the extent that anyone uses it. Since few people use those, it's unlikely to help much. And the challenges are far wider than just losing DNS names: A/I will lose bank accounts, hosting space, and most other services provided by businesses at risk from US secondary sanctions on those doing business with A/I.
@david42
> Since few people use those, it's unlikely to help muchYes. That's the way things were. Back in the day. Before Trump, MAGA, Heritage, Project 2025. There was little use for AlterNIC, back then.
But the world has changed and will continue to change: 3 weeks ago, 99% of people would still have ignored a new incarnation of AlterNIC. Today, that number may have changed to 98 or even 97% - and that's a lot. -
@Li @hsza @cavallette @david42 @anneroth
What "sanctions and shit?" The US took over their DNS record. Big fucking deal. The US did that to the pirate bay, didn't stop them, did it?
I already proposed a workaround that doesn't require DNS at all. And would render future attempts at DNS hijacking impossible. Easy, cheap, fast - for once you CAN pick all 3.
@Li @hsza @cavallette @david42 @anneroth
For anyone questioning whether their domain registration was yanked, read to the bottom of this:
https://netfuture.ch/2026/09/autistici-inventati-sanctions-status/
NXDOMAIN means your domain is no longer in the DNS system.
So yes, it was yanked.
The DNS system is artificial scarcity. There's no NEED to translate between ipv6 addresses and domain names - just entering the ipv6 address in your browser address bar gets you to the site.
There are enough ipv6 addresses for every human that ever existed to have a bunch, so it's not a resource that is limited.
And there's no reason you couldn't bookmark it and label it whatever you want so you can find it by the name you assigned it.
No more "domainers" squatting on good domain names.
And no more yanking domains by enemy states.
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@su_liam @barbra @david42 @anneroth @cavallette "The US is losing to a penny ante dictatorship in Iran,they can’t begin to cope with the rest of the world saying no."
But in the mean time they could pull the plugs on most European citizens' internet access and payment systems.
A continent unable to pay for any of the goods and services that they need on a daily basis.
NOT because they don't have the money but because the US has trashed the infrastructure.
Without firing a single missile.
@the_wub @barbra @david42 @anneroth @cavallette That doesn’t seem like an argument against doing business with the U.S., but the consequences of handing our leaders the keys. It seemed like a good idea when our leaders were only mildly imperialistic and treated you like delightful pets rather than vermin to be exterminated?
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@david42 @anneroth @cavallette
Who cares if domain names overlap?
A/I could have just asked people to enter their server's ipv6 address into their hosts file. And if you're going to do that, they could have self-hosted their own servers. It's not that expensive. Or that hard.
As word got out, more people could do it. Then people could have posted clickable links to the ipv6 address all over the place - no need for everyone to edit their own hosts file.
I was doing this 30 years ago so I could stream my music collection at the office over a crappy 1 mbps cable modem link - multiple connections worked fine.
@barbra @david42 @anneroth @cavallette wtf are you talking about? if they're on the sanctions list, who's gonna provide them internet access? they're not gonna have an IP address. and even if they bought their own block, other providers couldn't bridge to them without risking sanctions too. they can't even have bank accounts anymore!
I think you don't understand what sanctions mean...
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womp womp, USAID money dried up
@azur @anneroth @cavallette wtf are you talking about? this isn't about funding, this is about abusing sanctions.
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20,000 mail accounts.
20,000 blogs.
5,000 mailing lists.
1,500 websites.In Europe.
Run by volunteers of @cavallette, perfectly legal, and decidedly antifascist, feminist, queer.
Destroyed and shut down by Trump's administration, extra legally.
It is astonishingly quiet.
#Autistici
@anneroth @cavallette we communicated before internet, we’ll do so when internet means control by fascists.
It is slower in many cases, but has maybe it’s charm, too. There is no click to check them all at once, u need to open it and read it manually, no profit at all tho any tech-gigant
I remember having penpals
I loved it. Sharing stickers and zines. With every run to the post-office one can stick some more stickers
Let’s connect and network, we even have a Fax🤭 -
@barbra @david42 @anneroth @cavallette wtf are you talking about? if they're on the sanctions list, who's gonna provide them internet access? they're not gonna have an IP address. and even if they bought their own block, other providers couldn't bridge to them without risking sanctions too. they can't even have bank accounts anymore!
I think you don't understand what sanctions mean...
@siguza @david42 @anneroth @cavallette
Obviously you have limited knowledge of how things work.
It's easy enough to give an Ethernet adapter ANY up address you want. That's one way to hijack traffic. But it's also a way to set up an independent network outside of any government control, unless they have physical access to the hardware.
Not easy to do it the hardware is outside, in this case, the USA.
DNS has never been needed for networking. So the government hijacking the DNS and having the record changed to NXDOMAIN, dropping it from resolving, would have no effect on such a system.
It wouldn't be all that hard to create a private network that way, using just ipv6 addresses.
Who cares if you ignore IANA assigned blocks, as long as itvroutes.
And with 340,282,366,920,938,463,463,374,607,431,768,211,456 possible addresses, good luck monitoring and blocking them.
Extreme times call for extreme solutions.
And that's before we get into Wi-Fi mesh networks, which the chinese, russians, egyptians, etc don't want their citizens having.
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@su_liam @barbra @david42 @anneroth @cavallette "The US is losing to a penny ante dictatorship in Iran,they can’t begin to cope with the rest of the world saying no."
But in the mean time they could pull the plugs on most European citizens' internet access and payment systems.
A continent unable to pay for any of the goods and services that they need on a daily basis.
NOT because they don't have the money but because the US has trashed the infrastructure.
Without firing a single missile.
@the_wub @su_liam @david42 @anneroth @cavallette
You wrote "But in the mean time they have pulled the plugs on most European citizens' internet access and payment systems."
Got any proof of that?
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@the_wub @su_liam @david42 @anneroth @cavallette
You wrote "But in the mean time they have pulled the plugs on most European citizens' internet access and payment systems."
Got any proof of that?
@barbra @su_liam @david42 @anneroth @cavallette
I realise that my original toot might not have made it clear that I was talking about a hypothetical future situation.
My point is that the US government can cut payment systems and internet services to individuals and organisations simply by executing an executive order declaring those persons and/or organisations as terrorists.
As they have already done to Francesca Albanese.
So they can do the same for any of us if they wish.
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@siguza @david42 @anneroth @cavallette
Obviously you have limited knowledge of how things work.
It's easy enough to give an Ethernet adapter ANY up address you want. That's one way to hijack traffic. But it's also a way to set up an independent network outside of any government control, unless they have physical access to the hardware.
Not easy to do it the hardware is outside, in this case, the USA.
DNS has never been needed for networking. So the government hijacking the DNS and having the record changed to NXDOMAIN, dropping it from resolving, would have no effect on such a system.
It wouldn't be all that hard to create a private network that way, using just ipv6 addresses.
Who cares if you ignore IANA assigned blocks, as long as itvroutes.
And with 340,282,366,920,938,463,463,374,607,431,768,211,456 possible addresses, good luck monitoring and blocking them.
Extreme times call for extreme solutions.
And that's before we get into Wi-Fi mesh networks, which the chinese, russians, egyptians, etc don't want their citizens having.
@barbra @david42 @anneroth @cavallette wdym "set up an independent network"? how are you gonna link up Italy to Germany without going through backbone providers who need to have bank accounts and can't risk getting on a sanctions list?
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@barbra @david42 @anneroth @cavallette wdym "set up an independent network"? how are you gonna link up Italy to Germany without going through backbone providers who need to have bank accounts and can't risk getting on a sanctions list?
@siguza @barbra @anneroth @cavallette I expect the A/I people to rebuild as a new, non-sanctioned, org, using tech that is harder to trace, block, and sanction: I2P/Reticulum/darkweb/etc, Moneta or another privacy coin, and the like.
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@siguza @barbra @anneroth @cavallette I expect the A/I people to rebuild as a new, non-sanctioned, org, using tech that is harder to trace, block, and sanction: I2P/Reticulum/darkweb/etc, Moneta or another privacy coin, and the like.
@david42 @barbra @anneroth @cavallette maybe, but that would come at the loss of interoperability with... the existing internet, basically. So that would make their email servers and blogs much harder to reach for "normies", which... is probably still a success for Trump?
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@barbra @su_liam @david42 @anneroth @cavallette
I realise that my original toot might not have made it clear that I was talking about a hypothetical future situation.
My point is that the US government can cut payment systems and internet services to individuals and organisations simply by executing an executive order declaring those persons and/or organisations as terrorists.
As they have already done to Francesca Albanese.
So they can do the same for any of us if they wish.
@the_wub @barbra @david42 @anneroth @cavallette I get that. Francesca Albanese doesn’t seem like an argument against cutting those ties. Correctly pointing out that the US can do the same to anybody only reinforces that.
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@the_wub @barbra @david42 @anneroth @cavallette I get that. Francesca Albanese doesn’t seem like an argument against cutting those ties. Correctly pointing out that the US can do the same to anybody only reinforces that.
I feel like we’re largely in agreement, but we’re getting tied up by language. I’m not sure how to fix that, except to try to clarify.@su_liam @barbra @david42 @anneroth @cavallette
We cannot cut our ties, our tech/financial dependencies with the US.Here in Europe we do NOT have the alternatives to allow us survive what would be a massive self-inflicted denial of service.
The US, on the other hand CAN cut our ties to them with considerable consequences to all of us in Europe.
I am not suggesting that we cut these ties rather that Europe sets up alternatives to allow us to function should those plugs be pulled by others.
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@david42 @barbra @anneroth @cavallette maybe, but that would come at the loss of interoperability with... the existing internet, basically. So that would make their email servers and blogs much harder to reach for "normies", which... is probably still a success for Trump?
@siguza @david42 @anneroth @cavallette
Have you seen what the "normies" in the US are like? Many are ok with the ongoing civil war in Minnesota, the total grifter paedophile President, the corrupt supreme court, and open fascism.
Cutting off contact with them in online spaces and making small islands of calm where people can share without worrying about the place turning into a Nazi bar is a good thing.
It's like how there is no excuse for using x/twitter. Governments certainly have their own web sites, and they can have anyone who wants to receive government announcements sign up to receive them.
"But we have to be on x/Facebook/Instagram/TikTok" is bullshit pushed by people too lazy to think outside the box. Which is part for the course with governments.
