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  3. Bypassing Hungary to fund Ukraine proves one thing: the veto is a security threat.

Bypassing Hungary to fund Ukraine proves one thing: the veto is a security threat.

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  • stefanalvemo@mastodon.socialS stefanalvemo@mastodon.social

    Bypassing Hungary to fund Ukraine proves one thing: the veto is a security threat. We cannot build European autonomy with Trojan horses inside our walls. It’s time to create legal mechanisms to expel states acting as foreign agents. Enough is enough.

    ​Boost if you agree: Remove internal saboteurs.

    https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-vows-ukraine-e90b-loan-bypass-hungary-block/

    ​#EU #Hungary #Ukraine #Geopolitics #Security #EuropeanUnion #Europe #EUpol

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    #22

    @StefanAlvemo Unión de Egos europeos.
    Este teatro no da para tanto actor que en vez de ensayar va por libre e improvisa. No, no hay democracia en la UE. Quienes dirigen el parlamento de la unión, son los primeros en ser elegidos a dedo y son los mismos a lo largo del tiempo, ocupando diferentes puestos.
    El veto, es anacrónico, una herramienta de poder de mitad del siglo XX.
    Quien no quiera construir, solo imponer a la fuerza, que se le indique cual el camino de salida y decida si lo toma o no.

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    • stefanalvemo@mastodon.socialS stefanalvemo@mastodon.social

      Bypassing Hungary to fund Ukraine proves one thing: the veto is a security threat. We cannot build European autonomy with Trojan horses inside our walls. It’s time to create legal mechanisms to expel states acting as foreign agents. Enough is enough.

      ​Boost if you agree: Remove internal saboteurs.

      https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-vows-ukraine-e90b-loan-bypass-hungary-block/

      ​#EU #Hungary #Ukraine #Geopolitics #Security #EuropeanUnion #Europe #EUpol

      mark_ohe@mastodon.energyM This user is from outside of this forum
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      #23

      @StefanAlvemo

      KICK them OUT

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      • G gerardthornley@hachyderm.io

        @jfmezei @StefanAlvemo Just to note that us (the UK) leaving the EU was voluntary in a collective sense - a majority did vote for it - but for a great number of us as individuals, the loss was not voluntary and quite painful. I'm sure that's understood, but I felt it is important to make sure the nuance is not lost.

        I do hope that orban gets decisively rejected in the election. If not, the country ought to be sanctioned in some way, although there's a danger that pushing them out would move the country more explicitly closer to the "axis powers."

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        #24

        @GerardThornley @StefanAlvemo The EU is funding extention of standard gauge rail into Ukraine. They prioritized the Uzhhorod-Chop segment (across river from Zahony Hungary) to make Hungary feel more important within the EU.

        https://transport.ec.europa.eu/news-events/news/new-eu-funded-railway-line-brings-ukraine-even-closer-eu-2025-09-05_en

        (Next is the more important link to connect Lviv to Poland) expected by 2027.)

        I think Europe has played it to make it easier to re-integrate Hungary as soon as its people throw out Orban).

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        • npars01@mstdn.socialN npars01@mstdn.social

          @StefanAlvemo

          The fossil fuel industry is proposing dismantling the EU for daring a fossil fuel phase out.
          https://www.desmog.com/2025/03/14/heritage-foundation-project-2025-allies-mcc-ordo-iuris-discuss-dismantling-the-eu-european-union/

          The EU gains autonomy, agency, & sovereignty by switching to renewable energy.
          https://yorkshirebylines.co.uk/politics/right-wing-push-to-dismantle-the-eu-heritage-foundations-private-workshop/

          Instead of billions going to oil oligarchs & petrostate despots, that money stays home & builds an improved EU with Ukraine as a member.
          https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/jul/21/revealed-oil-sectors-staggering-profits-last-50-years

          Fossil fuel phase out defunds Putin's wars.

          https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/eu-propose-permanent-ban-russian-oil-after-hungary-election-document-shows-2026-02-24/

          https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/feb/24/ukraine-war-briefing-russia-exporting-more-oil-now-than-before-war-despite-sanctions-report

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          #25

          @Npars01 @StefanAlvemo

          Dismantle oil companies. Break them up.

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          • stefanalvemo@mastodon.socialS stefanalvemo@mastodon.social

            Bypassing Hungary to fund Ukraine proves one thing: the veto is a security threat. We cannot build European autonomy with Trojan horses inside our walls. It’s time to create legal mechanisms to expel states acting as foreign agents. Enough is enough.

            ​Boost if you agree: Remove internal saboteurs.

            https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-vows-ukraine-e90b-loan-bypass-hungary-block/

            ​#EU #Hungary #Ukraine #Geopolitics #Security #EuropeanUnion #Europe #EUpol

            alexraffa@mastodon.unoA This user is from outside of this forum
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            #26

            @StefanAlvemo I partially agree with the original post, however EU must stop acting herself as a foreign agent against her very interrests....

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            • stefanalvemo@mastodon.socialS stefanalvemo@mastodon.social

              Bypassing Hungary to fund Ukraine proves one thing: the veto is a security threat. We cannot build European autonomy with Trojan horses inside our walls. It’s time to create legal mechanisms to expel states acting as foreign agents. Enough is enough.

              ​Boost if you agree: Remove internal saboteurs.

              https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-vows-ukraine-e90b-loan-bypass-hungary-block/

              ​#EU #Hungary #Ukraine #Geopolitics #Security #EuropeanUnion #Europe #EUpol

              dfgomes@mastodon.socialD This user is from outside of this forum
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              #27

              @StefanAlvemo Sadly most western EU leaders serve a foreign power. It seems Hungary is one of the few who don’t. We need more leaders like Hungary and less traitors like Ursula & co.

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              • stefanalvemo@mastodon.socialS stefanalvemo@mastodon.social

                Bypassing Hungary to fund Ukraine proves one thing: the veto is a security threat. We cannot build European autonomy with Trojan horses inside our walls. It’s time to create legal mechanisms to expel states acting as foreign agents. Enough is enough.

                ​Boost if you agree: Remove internal saboteurs.

                https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-vows-ukraine-e90b-loan-bypass-hungary-block/

                ​#EU #Hungary #Ukraine #Geopolitics #Security #EuropeanUnion #Europe #EUpol

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                #28

                @StefanAlvemo this is not about boosting but about contacting your MEP representative

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                • stefanalvemo@mastodon.socialS stefanalvemo@mastodon.social

                  Bypassing Hungary to fund Ukraine proves one thing: the veto is a security threat. We cannot build European autonomy with Trojan horses inside our walls. It’s time to create legal mechanisms to expel states acting as foreign agents. Enough is enough.

                  ​Boost if you agree: Remove internal saboteurs.

                  https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-vows-ukraine-e90b-loan-bypass-hungary-block/

                  ​#EU #Hungary #Ukraine #Geopolitics #Security #EuropeanUnion #Europe #EUpol

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                  ef@mastodon.bsd.cafe
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                  #29

                  @StefanAlvemo and where would Hungary [and Estonoa] go if they were ejected? Feel the 100% agreement in votes needs amending so one or more coumtries camnot endlessly veto

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                  • oneiros@ruhr.socialO oneiros@ruhr.social

                    @StefanAlvemo
                    Nope. We should work around them.
                    @trending_bot

                    #EU #Hungary #Ukraine #Geopolitics #Security #EuropeanUnion #Europe #EUpol

                    kritischelezer@mastodon.socialK This user is from outside of this forum
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                    #30

                    @oneiros I'm with Mark on this Expelling them gives Russia even more foothold. A large part of the population of Hungary (and Slovakia) want to be in the EU. What we need to get rid of is the power to Veto.

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                    • stefanalvemo@mastodon.socialS stefanalvemo@mastodon.social

                      Bypassing Hungary to fund Ukraine proves one thing: the veto is a security threat. We cannot build European autonomy with Trojan horses inside our walls. It’s time to create legal mechanisms to expel states acting as foreign agents. Enough is enough.

                      ​Boost if you agree: Remove internal saboteurs.

                      https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-vows-ukraine-e90b-loan-bypass-hungary-block/

                      ​#EU #Hungary #Ukraine #Geopolitics #Security #EuropeanUnion #Europe #EUpol

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                      #31

                      @StefanAlvemo funky idea: if hungary agrees, it's a loan, if hungary does not agree, it's a donation.

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                      • stefanalvemo@mastodon.socialS stefanalvemo@mastodon.social

                        Bypassing Hungary to fund Ukraine proves one thing: the veto is a security threat. We cannot build European autonomy with Trojan horses inside our walls. It’s time to create legal mechanisms to expel states acting as foreign agents. Enough is enough.

                        ​Boost if you agree: Remove internal saboteurs.

                        https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-vows-ukraine-e90b-loan-bypass-hungary-block/

                        ​#EU #Hungary #Ukraine #Geopolitics #Security #EuropeanUnion #Europe #EUpol

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                        #32

                        @StefanAlvemo I boosted but with the caveat that many in Hungary will be opposed to the orban regime - as with other states under an autocratic rule.

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                        • stefanalvemo@mastodon.socialS stefanalvemo@mastodon.social

                          Bypassing Hungary to fund Ukraine proves one thing: the veto is a security threat. We cannot build European autonomy with Trojan horses inside our walls. It’s time to create legal mechanisms to expel states acting as foreign agents. Enough is enough.

                          ​Boost if you agree: Remove internal saboteurs.

                          https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-vows-ukraine-e90b-loan-bypass-hungary-block/

                          ​#EU #Hungary #Ukraine #Geopolitics #Security #EuropeanUnion #Europe #EUpol

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                          #33

                          @StefanAlvemo 👍 👍 👍

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                          • jfmezei@cosocial.caJ jfmezei@cosocial.ca

                            @GerardThornley @StefanAlvemo The EU is funding extention of standard gauge rail into Ukraine. They prioritized the Uzhhorod-Chop segment (across river from Zahony Hungary) to make Hungary feel more important within the EU.

                            https://transport.ec.europa.eu/news-events/news/new-eu-funded-railway-line-brings-ukraine-even-closer-eu-2025-09-05_en

                            (Next is the more important link to connect Lviv to Poland) expected by 2027.)

                            I think Europe has played it to make it easier to re-integrate Hungary as soon as its people throw out Orban).

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                            gerardthornley@hachyderm.io
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                            #34

                            @jfmezei @StefanAlvemo Aye. For the most part, I think European politics is quite smart, and that seems a sensible approach.

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                            • dfgomes@mastodon.socialD dfgomes@mastodon.social

                              @StefanAlvemo Sadly most western EU leaders serve a foreign power. It seems Hungary is one of the few who don’t. We need more leaders like Hungary and less traitors like Ursula & co.

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                              #35

                              @dfgomes @StefanAlvemo utter rubbish.

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                              • jfmezei@cosocial.caJ jfmezei@cosocial.ca

                                @StefanAlvemo Hungary has an election this year. If they choose a normal leader, it could return Hungary to a normal EU state instead of a USSR admirer using its membership to sabotage EU.

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                                #36

                                @jfmezei @StefanAlvemo I am worried though Orban is supported by RUS, USA & IT figures like Musk, Besos, Zuckerberg to manipulate the election. It just now comes to light the last USA election has been manipulated to Felon 47s favour.

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                                • jfmezei@cosocial.caJ jfmezei@cosocial.ca

                                  @StefanAlvemo I agree. This is similar to USA where people voted for a lying entertainer because he promised a good show while the other candidate was boring. Hopefully Hungarians not only realise their mistake, but more importantly have a palatable other candidate to vote for.

                                  We have seen UK voluntarily leave EU, but not sure there is a mechanism to expell a member. In the end, they need EU2 (coalition of the willing) that is without Hungary. Just as NATO2 without USA.

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                                  #37

                                  @jfmezei @StefanAlvemo Hungarian ppl oppose Orban, but they are supressed & IMO he is not afraid to manipulate elections. There is currently no possibility to legally expell EU members. Sanctions/penalties/exclusion from votes are possible but decisions have to be unanimous. This is exactly where reform is needed, unanimous is a kill switch.

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                                  • kcpoole@mastodon.auK kcpoole@mastodon.au

                                    @StefanAlvemo love to see the colours Ursula is wearing
                                    Total support

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                                    #38

                                    @kcpoole @StefanAlvemo they are UKR & EU colors, so quite a statement. 👍

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                                    • swoonie@mastodon.ieS swoonie@mastodon.ie

                                      @StefanAlvemo
                                      Look at a map of Europe. If you expel Hungary, and perhaps Slovakia too, then you have a wedge of Russia allies that goes from the EU's eastern border right to the gates of Central Europe. It would be extremely dangerous to ever let that happen. A major strategic win for Putin.

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                                      #39

                                      @swoonie @StefanAlvemo agreed. There are better ways: sanction, cut off financial aid (Hungary is draining quite some money while kicking EU in the nuts), exclude from votes.BUT currently all this had to be decided unanimously, this needs to change.

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                                      • stefanalvemo@mastodon.socialS stefanalvemo@mastodon.social

                                        Bypassing Hungary to fund Ukraine proves one thing: the veto is a security threat. We cannot build European autonomy with Trojan horses inside our walls. It’s time to create legal mechanisms to expel states acting as foreign agents. Enough is enough.

                                        ​Boost if you agree: Remove internal saboteurs.

                                        https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-vows-ukraine-e90b-loan-bypass-hungary-block/

                                        ​#EU #Hungary #Ukraine #Geopolitics #Security #EuropeanUnion #Europe #EUpol

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                                        #40

                                        @StefanAlvemo

                                        Don't worry, soon Hungary won't be a problem anymore:

                                        Orban’s Poll Support Crumbles as Hungary Opposition Widens Lead
                                        https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2026-02-25/orban-s-poll-support-crumbles-as-hungary-opposition-widens-lead

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                                        • stefanalvemo@mastodon.socialS stefanalvemo@mastodon.social

                                          Bypassing Hungary to fund Ukraine proves one thing: the veto is a security threat. We cannot build European autonomy with Trojan horses inside our walls. It’s time to create legal mechanisms to expel states acting as foreign agents. Enough is enough.

                                          ​Boost if you agree: Remove internal saboteurs.

                                          https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-vows-ukraine-e90b-loan-bypass-hungary-block/

                                          ​#EU #Hungary #Ukraine #Geopolitics #Security #EuropeanUnion #Europe #EUpol

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                                          #41

                                          @StefanAlvemo @piratzbrna Be careful what you wish for. There might come a time when the majority isn’t right or behaves against a particular national interest.

                                          Even in this case, a country is entitled to disagree. If anyone going against a majority automatically equals they are a trojan horse, it’s becoming a slippery slope. Democracy can’t become a tyranny of the majority.

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