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Bypassing Hungary to fund Ukraine proves one thing: the veto is a security threat.

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  • stefanalvemo@mastodon.socialS stefanalvemo@mastodon.social

    Bypassing Hungary to fund Ukraine proves one thing: the veto is a security threat. We cannot build European autonomy with Trojan horses inside our walls. It’s time to create legal mechanisms to expel states acting as foreign agents. Enough is enough.

    ​Boost if you agree: Remove internal saboteurs.

    https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-vows-ukraine-e90b-loan-bypass-hungary-block/

    ​#EU #Hungary #Ukraine #Geopolitics #Security #EuropeanUnion #Europe #EUpol

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    #17

    @StefanAlvemo How about we trade Hungary for all of Ukraine which would include Crimea of course

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    • stefanalvemo@mastodon.socialS stefanalvemo@mastodon.social

      Bypassing Hungary to fund Ukraine proves one thing: the veto is a security threat. We cannot build European autonomy with Trojan horses inside our walls. It’s time to create legal mechanisms to expel states acting as foreign agents. Enough is enough.

      ​Boost if you agree: Remove internal saboteurs.

      https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-vows-ukraine-e90b-loan-bypass-hungary-block/

      ​#EU #Hungary #Ukraine #Geopolitics #Security #EuropeanUnion #Europe #EUpol

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      #18

      @StefanAlvemo Putin's sitting at the EU table.
      On Orban's shoulders.

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      • jfmezei@cosocial.caJ jfmezei@cosocial.ca

        @StefanAlvemo I agree. This is similar to USA where people voted for a lying entertainer because he promised a good show while the other candidate was boring. Hopefully Hungarians not only realise their mistake, but more importantly have a palatable other candidate to vote for.

        We have seen UK voluntarily leave EU, but not sure there is a mechanism to expell a member. In the end, they need EU2 (coalition of the willing) that is without Hungary. Just as NATO2 without USA.

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        gerardthornley@hachyderm.io
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        #19

        @jfmezei @StefanAlvemo Just to note that us (the UK) leaving the EU was voluntary in a collective sense - a majority did vote for it - but for a great number of us as individuals, the loss was not voluntary and quite painful. I'm sure that's understood, but I felt it is important to make sure the nuance is not lost.

        I do hope that orban gets decisively rejected in the election. If not, the country ought to be sanctioned in some way, although there's a danger that pushing them out would move the country more explicitly closer to the "axis powers."

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        • stefanalvemo@mastodon.socialS stefanalvemo@mastodon.social

          Bypassing Hungary to fund Ukraine proves one thing: the veto is a security threat. We cannot build European autonomy with Trojan horses inside our walls. It’s time to create legal mechanisms to expel states acting as foreign agents. Enough is enough.

          ​Boost if you agree: Remove internal saboteurs.

          https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-vows-ukraine-e90b-loan-bypass-hungary-block/

          ​#EU #Hungary #Ukraine #Geopolitics #Security #EuropeanUnion #Europe #EUpol

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          wlonk@mastodon.transneptune.net
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          #20

          @StefanAlvemo @mariyadelano I feel like we saw all this play out with the Sejm in the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth before.

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          • stefanalvemo@mastodon.socialS stefanalvemo@mastodon.social

            Bypassing Hungary to fund Ukraine proves one thing: the veto is a security threat. We cannot build European autonomy with Trojan horses inside our walls. It’s time to create legal mechanisms to expel states acting as foreign agents. Enough is enough.

            ​Boost if you agree: Remove internal saboteurs.

            https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-vows-ukraine-e90b-loan-bypass-hungary-block/

            ​#EU #Hungary #Ukraine #Geopolitics #Security #EuropeanUnion #Europe #EUpol

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            #21

            @StefanAlvemo

            The fossil fuel industry is proposing dismantling the EU for daring a fossil fuel phase out.
            https://www.desmog.com/2025/03/14/heritage-foundation-project-2025-allies-mcc-ordo-iuris-discuss-dismantling-the-eu-european-union/

            The EU gains autonomy, agency, & sovereignty by switching to renewable energy.
            https://yorkshirebylines.co.uk/politics/right-wing-push-to-dismantle-the-eu-heritage-foundations-private-workshop/

            Instead of billions going to oil oligarchs & petrostate despots, that money stays home & builds an improved EU with Ukraine as a member.
            https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/jul/21/revealed-oil-sectors-staggering-profits-last-50-years

            Fossil fuel phase out defunds Putin's wars.

            https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/eu-propose-permanent-ban-russian-oil-after-hungary-election-document-shows-2026-02-24/

            https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/feb/24/ukraine-war-briefing-russia-exporting-more-oil-now-than-before-war-despite-sanctions-report

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            • stefanalvemo@mastodon.socialS stefanalvemo@mastodon.social

              Bypassing Hungary to fund Ukraine proves one thing: the veto is a security threat. We cannot build European autonomy with Trojan horses inside our walls. It’s time to create legal mechanisms to expel states acting as foreign agents. Enough is enough.

              ​Boost if you agree: Remove internal saboteurs.

              https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-vows-ukraine-e90b-loan-bypass-hungary-block/

              ​#EU #Hungary #Ukraine #Geopolitics #Security #EuropeanUnion #Europe #EUpol

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              dark_mouser@mastodon.social
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              #22

              @StefanAlvemo Unión de Egos europeos.
              Este teatro no da para tanto actor que en vez de ensayar va por libre e improvisa. No, no hay democracia en la UE. Quienes dirigen el parlamento de la unión, son los primeros en ser elegidos a dedo y son los mismos a lo largo del tiempo, ocupando diferentes puestos.
              El veto, es anacrónico, una herramienta de poder de mitad del siglo XX.
              Quien no quiera construir, solo imponer a la fuerza, que se le indique cual el camino de salida y decida si lo toma o no.

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              • stefanalvemo@mastodon.socialS stefanalvemo@mastodon.social

                Bypassing Hungary to fund Ukraine proves one thing: the veto is a security threat. We cannot build European autonomy with Trojan horses inside our walls. It’s time to create legal mechanisms to expel states acting as foreign agents. Enough is enough.

                ​Boost if you agree: Remove internal saboteurs.

                https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-vows-ukraine-e90b-loan-bypass-hungary-block/

                ​#EU #Hungary #Ukraine #Geopolitics #Security #EuropeanUnion #Europe #EUpol

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                mark_ohe@mastodon.energy
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                #23

                @StefanAlvemo

                KICK them OUT

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                • G gerardthornley@hachyderm.io

                  @jfmezei @StefanAlvemo Just to note that us (the UK) leaving the EU was voluntary in a collective sense - a majority did vote for it - but for a great number of us as individuals, the loss was not voluntary and quite painful. I'm sure that's understood, but I felt it is important to make sure the nuance is not lost.

                  I do hope that orban gets decisively rejected in the election. If not, the country ought to be sanctioned in some way, although there's a danger that pushing them out would move the country more explicitly closer to the "axis powers."

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                  jfmezei@cosocial.ca
                  wrote sidst redigeret af
                  #24

                  @GerardThornley @StefanAlvemo The EU is funding extention of standard gauge rail into Ukraine. They prioritized the Uzhhorod-Chop segment (across river from Zahony Hungary) to make Hungary feel more important within the EU.

                  https://transport.ec.europa.eu/news-events/news/new-eu-funded-railway-line-brings-ukraine-even-closer-eu-2025-09-05_en

                  (Next is the more important link to connect Lviv to Poland) expected by 2027.)

                  I think Europe has played it to make it easier to re-integrate Hungary as soon as its people throw out Orban).

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                  • npars01@mstdn.socialN npars01@mstdn.social

                    @StefanAlvemo

                    The fossil fuel industry is proposing dismantling the EU for daring a fossil fuel phase out.
                    https://www.desmog.com/2025/03/14/heritage-foundation-project-2025-allies-mcc-ordo-iuris-discuss-dismantling-the-eu-european-union/

                    The EU gains autonomy, agency, & sovereignty by switching to renewable energy.
                    https://yorkshirebylines.co.uk/politics/right-wing-push-to-dismantle-the-eu-heritage-foundations-private-workshop/

                    Instead of billions going to oil oligarchs & petrostate despots, that money stays home & builds an improved EU with Ukraine as a member.
                    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/jul/21/revealed-oil-sectors-staggering-profits-last-50-years

                    Fossil fuel phase out defunds Putin's wars.

                    https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/eu-propose-permanent-ban-russian-oil-after-hungary-election-document-shows-2026-02-24/

                    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/feb/24/ukraine-war-briefing-russia-exporting-more-oil-now-than-before-war-despite-sanctions-report

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                    #25

                    @Npars01 @StefanAlvemo

                    Dismantle oil companies. Break them up.

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                    • stefanalvemo@mastodon.socialS stefanalvemo@mastodon.social

                      Bypassing Hungary to fund Ukraine proves one thing: the veto is a security threat. We cannot build European autonomy with Trojan horses inside our walls. It’s time to create legal mechanisms to expel states acting as foreign agents. Enough is enough.

                      ​Boost if you agree: Remove internal saboteurs.

                      https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-vows-ukraine-e90b-loan-bypass-hungary-block/

                      ​#EU #Hungary #Ukraine #Geopolitics #Security #EuropeanUnion #Europe #EUpol

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                      alexraffa@mastodon.uno
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                      #26

                      @StefanAlvemo I partially agree with the original post, however EU must stop acting herself as a foreign agent against her very interrests....

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                      • stefanalvemo@mastodon.socialS stefanalvemo@mastodon.social

                        Bypassing Hungary to fund Ukraine proves one thing: the veto is a security threat. We cannot build European autonomy with Trojan horses inside our walls. It’s time to create legal mechanisms to expel states acting as foreign agents. Enough is enough.

                        ​Boost if you agree: Remove internal saboteurs.

                        https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-vows-ukraine-e90b-loan-bypass-hungary-block/

                        ​#EU #Hungary #Ukraine #Geopolitics #Security #EuropeanUnion #Europe #EUpol

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                        #27

                        @StefanAlvemo Sadly most western EU leaders serve a foreign power. It seems Hungary is one of the few who don’t. We need more leaders like Hungary and less traitors like Ursula & co.

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                        • stefanalvemo@mastodon.socialS stefanalvemo@mastodon.social

                          Bypassing Hungary to fund Ukraine proves one thing: the veto is a security threat. We cannot build European autonomy with Trojan horses inside our walls. It’s time to create legal mechanisms to expel states acting as foreign agents. Enough is enough.

                          ​Boost if you agree: Remove internal saboteurs.

                          https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-vows-ukraine-e90b-loan-bypass-hungary-block/

                          ​#EU #Hungary #Ukraine #Geopolitics #Security #EuropeanUnion #Europe #EUpol

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                          ly2en@chaos.social
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                          #28

                          @StefanAlvemo this is not about boosting but about contacting your MEP representative

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                          • stefanalvemo@mastodon.socialS stefanalvemo@mastodon.social

                            Bypassing Hungary to fund Ukraine proves one thing: the veto is a security threat. We cannot build European autonomy with Trojan horses inside our walls. It’s time to create legal mechanisms to expel states acting as foreign agents. Enough is enough.

                            ​Boost if you agree: Remove internal saboteurs.

                            https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-vows-ukraine-e90b-loan-bypass-hungary-block/

                            ​#EU #Hungary #Ukraine #Geopolitics #Security #EuropeanUnion #Europe #EUpol

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                            ef@mastodon.bsd.cafe
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                            #29

                            @StefanAlvemo and where would Hungary [and Estonoa] go if they were ejected? Feel the 100% agreement in votes needs amending so one or more coumtries camnot endlessly veto

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                            • oneiros@ruhr.socialO oneiros@ruhr.social

                              @StefanAlvemo
                              Nope. We should work around them.
                              @trending_bot

                              #EU #Hungary #Ukraine #Geopolitics #Security #EuropeanUnion #Europe #EUpol

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                              #30

                              @oneiros I'm with Mark on this Expelling them gives Russia even more foothold. A large part of the population of Hungary (and Slovakia) want to be in the EU. What we need to get rid of is the power to Veto.

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                              • stefanalvemo@mastodon.socialS stefanalvemo@mastodon.social

                                Bypassing Hungary to fund Ukraine proves one thing: the veto is a security threat. We cannot build European autonomy with Trojan horses inside our walls. It’s time to create legal mechanisms to expel states acting as foreign agents. Enough is enough.

                                ​Boost if you agree: Remove internal saboteurs.

                                https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-vows-ukraine-e90b-loan-bypass-hungary-block/

                                ​#EU #Hungary #Ukraine #Geopolitics #Security #EuropeanUnion #Europe #EUpol

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                                assimilateborg@kind.social
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                                #31

                                @StefanAlvemo funky idea: if hungary agrees, it's a loan, if hungary does not agree, it's a donation.

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                                • stefanalvemo@mastodon.socialS stefanalvemo@mastodon.social

                                  Bypassing Hungary to fund Ukraine proves one thing: the veto is a security threat. We cannot build European autonomy with Trojan horses inside our walls. It’s time to create legal mechanisms to expel states acting as foreign agents. Enough is enough.

                                  ​Boost if you agree: Remove internal saboteurs.

                                  https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-vows-ukraine-e90b-loan-bypass-hungary-block/

                                  ​#EU #Hungary #Ukraine #Geopolitics #Security #EuropeanUnion #Europe #EUpol

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                                  capnthommo@c.im
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                                  #32

                                  @StefanAlvemo I boosted but with the caveat that many in Hungary will be opposed to the orban regime - as with other states under an autocratic rule.

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                                  • stefanalvemo@mastodon.socialS stefanalvemo@mastodon.social

                                    Bypassing Hungary to fund Ukraine proves one thing: the veto is a security threat. We cannot build European autonomy with Trojan horses inside our walls. It’s time to create legal mechanisms to expel states acting as foreign agents. Enough is enough.

                                    ​Boost if you agree: Remove internal saboteurs.

                                    https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-vows-ukraine-e90b-loan-bypass-hungary-block/

                                    ​#EU #Hungary #Ukraine #Geopolitics #Security #EuropeanUnion #Europe #EUpol

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                                    petr90@mastodonczech.cz
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                                    #33

                                    @StefanAlvemo 👍 👍 👍

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                                    • jfmezei@cosocial.caJ jfmezei@cosocial.ca

                                      @GerardThornley @StefanAlvemo The EU is funding extention of standard gauge rail into Ukraine. They prioritized the Uzhhorod-Chop segment (across river from Zahony Hungary) to make Hungary feel more important within the EU.

                                      https://transport.ec.europa.eu/news-events/news/new-eu-funded-railway-line-brings-ukraine-even-closer-eu-2025-09-05_en

                                      (Next is the more important link to connect Lviv to Poland) expected by 2027.)

                                      I think Europe has played it to make it easier to re-integrate Hungary as soon as its people throw out Orban).

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                                      gerardthornley@hachyderm.io
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                                      #34

                                      @jfmezei @StefanAlvemo Aye. For the most part, I think European politics is quite smart, and that seems a sensible approach.

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                                      • dfgomes@mastodon.socialD dfgomes@mastodon.social

                                        @StefanAlvemo Sadly most western EU leaders serve a foreign power. It seems Hungary is one of the few who don’t. We need more leaders like Hungary and less traitors like Ursula & co.

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                                        #35

                                        @dfgomes @StefanAlvemo utter rubbish.

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                                        • jfmezei@cosocial.caJ jfmezei@cosocial.ca

                                          @StefanAlvemo Hungary has an election this year. If they choose a normal leader, it could return Hungary to a normal EU state instead of a USSR admirer using its membership to sabotage EU.

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                                          #36

                                          @jfmezei @StefanAlvemo I am worried though Orban is supported by RUS, USA & IT figures like Musk, Besos, Zuckerberg to manipulate the election. It just now comes to light the last USA election has been manipulated to Felon 47s favour.

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