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  3. Bypassing Hungary to fund Ukraine proves one thing: the veto is a security threat.

Bypassing Hungary to fund Ukraine proves one thing: the veto is a security threat.

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  • markdevries@mstdn.socialM markdevries@mstdn.social

    @StefanAlvemo Maybe it is time to get rid of the whole veto thing, both in the EU and in the UN.

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    #12

    @markdevries Completely agree... in favour of Qualified Majority.

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    • jfmezei@cosocial.caJ jfmezei@cosocial.ca

      @StefanAlvemo I agree. This is similar to USA where people voted for a lying entertainer because he promised a good show while the other candidate was boring. Hopefully Hungarians not only realise their mistake, but more importantly have a palatable other candidate to vote for.

      We have seen UK voluntarily leave EU, but not sure there is a mechanism to expell a member. In the end, they need EU2 (coalition of the willing) that is without Hungary. Just as NATO2 without USA.

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      #13

      @jfmezei @StefanAlvemo There is a mechanism to suspend a member , the problem is that you need everyone else to agree, and there are currently two countries sabotaging.

      (Used to be PL - HU, now it is Slovakia and HU iirc)

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      • stefanalvemo@mastodon.socialS stefanalvemo@mastodon.social

        Bypassing Hungary to fund Ukraine proves one thing: the veto is a security threat. We cannot build European autonomy with Trojan horses inside our walls. It’s time to create legal mechanisms to expel states acting as foreign agents. Enough is enough.

        ​Boost if you agree: Remove internal saboteurs.

        https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-vows-ukraine-e90b-loan-bypass-hungary-block/

        ​#EU #Hungary #Ukraine #Geopolitics #Security #EuropeanUnion #Europe #EUpol

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        #14

        @StefanAlvemo I agree (I think) in principle; but it's the how that troubles me: there isn't really an effective mechanism under the Treaties that will allow this, afaik.

        Or has that changed? 🤞🏼

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        • stefanalvemo@mastodon.socialS stefanalvemo@mastodon.social

          Bypassing Hungary to fund Ukraine proves one thing: the veto is a security threat. We cannot build European autonomy with Trojan horses inside our walls. It’s time to create legal mechanisms to expel states acting as foreign agents. Enough is enough.

          ​Boost if you agree: Remove internal saboteurs.

          https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-vows-ukraine-e90b-loan-bypass-hungary-block/

          ​#EU #Hungary #Ukraine #Geopolitics #Security #EuropeanUnion #Europe #EUpol

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          #15

          @StefanAlvemo one time was too many. the enemy states should be forced into submission.

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          • stefanalvemo@mastodon.socialS stefanalvemo@mastodon.social

            Bypassing Hungary to fund Ukraine proves one thing: the veto is a security threat. We cannot build European autonomy with Trojan horses inside our walls. It’s time to create legal mechanisms to expel states acting as foreign agents. Enough is enough.

            ​Boost if you agree: Remove internal saboteurs.

            https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-vows-ukraine-e90b-loan-bypass-hungary-block/

            ​#EU #Hungary #Ukraine #Geopolitics #Security #EuropeanUnion #Europe #EUpol

            oneiros@ruhr.socialO This user is from outside of this forum
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            #16

            @StefanAlvemo
            Nope. We should work around them.
            @trending_bot

            #EU #Hungary #Ukraine #Geopolitics #Security #EuropeanUnion #Europe #EUpol

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            • stefanalvemo@mastodon.socialS stefanalvemo@mastodon.social

              Bypassing Hungary to fund Ukraine proves one thing: the veto is a security threat. We cannot build European autonomy with Trojan horses inside our walls. It’s time to create legal mechanisms to expel states acting as foreign agents. Enough is enough.

              ​Boost if you agree: Remove internal saboteurs.

              https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-vows-ukraine-e90b-loan-bypass-hungary-block/

              ​#EU #Hungary #Ukraine #Geopolitics #Security #EuropeanUnion #Europe #EUpol

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              #17

              @StefanAlvemo How about we trade Hungary for all of Ukraine which would include Crimea of course

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              • stefanalvemo@mastodon.socialS stefanalvemo@mastodon.social

                Bypassing Hungary to fund Ukraine proves one thing: the veto is a security threat. We cannot build European autonomy with Trojan horses inside our walls. It’s time to create legal mechanisms to expel states acting as foreign agents. Enough is enough.

                ​Boost if you agree: Remove internal saboteurs.

                https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-vows-ukraine-e90b-loan-bypass-hungary-block/

                ​#EU #Hungary #Ukraine #Geopolitics #Security #EuropeanUnion #Europe #EUpol

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                #18

                @StefanAlvemo Putin's sitting at the EU table.
                On Orban's shoulders.

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                • jfmezei@cosocial.caJ jfmezei@cosocial.ca

                  @StefanAlvemo I agree. This is similar to USA where people voted for a lying entertainer because he promised a good show while the other candidate was boring. Hopefully Hungarians not only realise their mistake, but more importantly have a palatable other candidate to vote for.

                  We have seen UK voluntarily leave EU, but not sure there is a mechanism to expell a member. In the end, they need EU2 (coalition of the willing) that is without Hungary. Just as NATO2 without USA.

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                  gerardthornley@hachyderm.io
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                  #19

                  @jfmezei @StefanAlvemo Just to note that us (the UK) leaving the EU was voluntary in a collective sense - a majority did vote for it - but for a great number of us as individuals, the loss was not voluntary and quite painful. I'm sure that's understood, but I felt it is important to make sure the nuance is not lost.

                  I do hope that orban gets decisively rejected in the election. If not, the country ought to be sanctioned in some way, although there's a danger that pushing them out would move the country more explicitly closer to the "axis powers."

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                  • stefanalvemo@mastodon.socialS stefanalvemo@mastodon.social

                    Bypassing Hungary to fund Ukraine proves one thing: the veto is a security threat. We cannot build European autonomy with Trojan horses inside our walls. It’s time to create legal mechanisms to expel states acting as foreign agents. Enough is enough.

                    ​Boost if you agree: Remove internal saboteurs.

                    https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-vows-ukraine-e90b-loan-bypass-hungary-block/

                    ​#EU #Hungary #Ukraine #Geopolitics #Security #EuropeanUnion #Europe #EUpol

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                    #20

                    @StefanAlvemo @mariyadelano I feel like we saw all this play out with the Sejm in the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth before.

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                    • stefanalvemo@mastodon.socialS stefanalvemo@mastodon.social

                      Bypassing Hungary to fund Ukraine proves one thing: the veto is a security threat. We cannot build European autonomy with Trojan horses inside our walls. It’s time to create legal mechanisms to expel states acting as foreign agents. Enough is enough.

                      ​Boost if you agree: Remove internal saboteurs.

                      https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-vows-ukraine-e90b-loan-bypass-hungary-block/

                      ​#EU #Hungary #Ukraine #Geopolitics #Security #EuropeanUnion #Europe #EUpol

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                      #21

                      @StefanAlvemo

                      The fossil fuel industry is proposing dismantling the EU for daring a fossil fuel phase out.
                      https://www.desmog.com/2025/03/14/heritage-foundation-project-2025-allies-mcc-ordo-iuris-discuss-dismantling-the-eu-european-union/

                      The EU gains autonomy, agency, & sovereignty by switching to renewable energy.
                      https://yorkshirebylines.co.uk/politics/right-wing-push-to-dismantle-the-eu-heritage-foundations-private-workshop/

                      Instead of billions going to oil oligarchs & petrostate despots, that money stays home & builds an improved EU with Ukraine as a member.
                      https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/jul/21/revealed-oil-sectors-staggering-profits-last-50-years

                      Fossil fuel phase out defunds Putin's wars.

                      https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/eu-propose-permanent-ban-russian-oil-after-hungary-election-document-shows-2026-02-24/

                      https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/feb/24/ukraine-war-briefing-russia-exporting-more-oil-now-than-before-war-despite-sanctions-report

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                      • stefanalvemo@mastodon.socialS stefanalvemo@mastodon.social

                        Bypassing Hungary to fund Ukraine proves one thing: the veto is a security threat. We cannot build European autonomy with Trojan horses inside our walls. It’s time to create legal mechanisms to expel states acting as foreign agents. Enough is enough.

                        ​Boost if you agree: Remove internal saboteurs.

                        https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-vows-ukraine-e90b-loan-bypass-hungary-block/

                        ​#EU #Hungary #Ukraine #Geopolitics #Security #EuropeanUnion #Europe #EUpol

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                        dark_mouser@mastodon.social
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                        #22

                        @StefanAlvemo Unión de Egos europeos.
                        Este teatro no da para tanto actor que en vez de ensayar va por libre e improvisa. No, no hay democracia en la UE. Quienes dirigen el parlamento de la unión, son los primeros en ser elegidos a dedo y son los mismos a lo largo del tiempo, ocupando diferentes puestos.
                        El veto, es anacrónico, una herramienta de poder de mitad del siglo XX.
                        Quien no quiera construir, solo imponer a la fuerza, que se le indique cual el camino de salida y decida si lo toma o no.

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                        • stefanalvemo@mastodon.socialS stefanalvemo@mastodon.social

                          Bypassing Hungary to fund Ukraine proves one thing: the veto is a security threat. We cannot build European autonomy with Trojan horses inside our walls. It’s time to create legal mechanisms to expel states acting as foreign agents. Enough is enough.

                          ​Boost if you agree: Remove internal saboteurs.

                          https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-vows-ukraine-e90b-loan-bypass-hungary-block/

                          ​#EU #Hungary #Ukraine #Geopolitics #Security #EuropeanUnion #Europe #EUpol

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                          mark_ohe@mastodon.energy
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                          #23

                          @StefanAlvemo

                          KICK them OUT

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                          • G gerardthornley@hachyderm.io

                            @jfmezei @StefanAlvemo Just to note that us (the UK) leaving the EU was voluntary in a collective sense - a majority did vote for it - but for a great number of us as individuals, the loss was not voluntary and quite painful. I'm sure that's understood, but I felt it is important to make sure the nuance is not lost.

                            I do hope that orban gets decisively rejected in the election. If not, the country ought to be sanctioned in some way, although there's a danger that pushing them out would move the country more explicitly closer to the "axis powers."

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                            jfmezei@cosocial.ca
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                            #24

                            @GerardThornley @StefanAlvemo The EU is funding extention of standard gauge rail into Ukraine. They prioritized the Uzhhorod-Chop segment (across river from Zahony Hungary) to make Hungary feel more important within the EU.

                            https://transport.ec.europa.eu/news-events/news/new-eu-funded-railway-line-brings-ukraine-even-closer-eu-2025-09-05_en

                            (Next is the more important link to connect Lviv to Poland) expected by 2027.)

                            I think Europe has played it to make it easier to re-integrate Hungary as soon as its people throw out Orban).

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                            • npars01@mstdn.socialN npars01@mstdn.social

                              @StefanAlvemo

                              The fossil fuel industry is proposing dismantling the EU for daring a fossil fuel phase out.
                              https://www.desmog.com/2025/03/14/heritage-foundation-project-2025-allies-mcc-ordo-iuris-discuss-dismantling-the-eu-european-union/

                              The EU gains autonomy, agency, & sovereignty by switching to renewable energy.
                              https://yorkshirebylines.co.uk/politics/right-wing-push-to-dismantle-the-eu-heritage-foundations-private-workshop/

                              Instead of billions going to oil oligarchs & petrostate despots, that money stays home & builds an improved EU with Ukraine as a member.
                              https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/jul/21/revealed-oil-sectors-staggering-profits-last-50-years

                              Fossil fuel phase out defunds Putin's wars.

                              https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/eu-propose-permanent-ban-russian-oil-after-hungary-election-document-shows-2026-02-24/

                              https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/feb/24/ukraine-war-briefing-russia-exporting-more-oil-now-than-before-war-despite-sanctions-report

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                              kevinrns@mstdn.social
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                              #25

                              @Npars01 @StefanAlvemo

                              Dismantle oil companies. Break them up.

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                              • stefanalvemo@mastodon.socialS stefanalvemo@mastodon.social

                                Bypassing Hungary to fund Ukraine proves one thing: the veto is a security threat. We cannot build European autonomy with Trojan horses inside our walls. It’s time to create legal mechanisms to expel states acting as foreign agents. Enough is enough.

                                ​Boost if you agree: Remove internal saboteurs.

                                https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-vows-ukraine-e90b-loan-bypass-hungary-block/

                                ​#EU #Hungary #Ukraine #Geopolitics #Security #EuropeanUnion #Europe #EUpol

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                                alexraffa@mastodon.uno
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                                #26

                                @StefanAlvemo I partially agree with the original post, however EU must stop acting herself as a foreign agent against her very interrests....

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                                • stefanalvemo@mastodon.socialS stefanalvemo@mastodon.social

                                  Bypassing Hungary to fund Ukraine proves one thing: the veto is a security threat. We cannot build European autonomy with Trojan horses inside our walls. It’s time to create legal mechanisms to expel states acting as foreign agents. Enough is enough.

                                  ​Boost if you agree: Remove internal saboteurs.

                                  https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-vows-ukraine-e90b-loan-bypass-hungary-block/

                                  ​#EU #Hungary #Ukraine #Geopolitics #Security #EuropeanUnion #Europe #EUpol

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                                  dfgomes@mastodon.social
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                                  #27

                                  @StefanAlvemo Sadly most western EU leaders serve a foreign power. It seems Hungary is one of the few who don’t. We need more leaders like Hungary and less traitors like Ursula & co.

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                                  • stefanalvemo@mastodon.socialS stefanalvemo@mastodon.social

                                    Bypassing Hungary to fund Ukraine proves one thing: the veto is a security threat. We cannot build European autonomy with Trojan horses inside our walls. It’s time to create legal mechanisms to expel states acting as foreign agents. Enough is enough.

                                    ​Boost if you agree: Remove internal saboteurs.

                                    https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-vows-ukraine-e90b-loan-bypass-hungary-block/

                                    ​#EU #Hungary #Ukraine #Geopolitics #Security #EuropeanUnion #Europe #EUpol

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                                    ly2en@chaos.social
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                                    #28

                                    @StefanAlvemo this is not about boosting but about contacting your MEP representative

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                                    • stefanalvemo@mastodon.socialS stefanalvemo@mastodon.social

                                      Bypassing Hungary to fund Ukraine proves one thing: the veto is a security threat. We cannot build European autonomy with Trojan horses inside our walls. It’s time to create legal mechanisms to expel states acting as foreign agents. Enough is enough.

                                      ​Boost if you agree: Remove internal saboteurs.

                                      https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-vows-ukraine-e90b-loan-bypass-hungary-block/

                                      ​#EU #Hungary #Ukraine #Geopolitics #Security #EuropeanUnion #Europe #EUpol

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                                      ef@mastodon.bsd.cafe
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                                      #29

                                      @StefanAlvemo and where would Hungary [and Estonoa] go if they were ejected? Feel the 100% agreement in votes needs amending so one or more coumtries camnot endlessly veto

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                                      • oneiros@ruhr.socialO oneiros@ruhr.social

                                        @StefanAlvemo
                                        Nope. We should work around them.
                                        @trending_bot

                                        #EU #Hungary #Ukraine #Geopolitics #Security #EuropeanUnion #Europe #EUpol

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                                        #30

                                        @oneiros I'm with Mark on this Expelling them gives Russia even more foothold. A large part of the population of Hungary (and Slovakia) want to be in the EU. What we need to get rid of is the power to Veto.

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                                        • stefanalvemo@mastodon.socialS stefanalvemo@mastodon.social

                                          Bypassing Hungary to fund Ukraine proves one thing: the veto is a security threat. We cannot build European autonomy with Trojan horses inside our walls. It’s time to create legal mechanisms to expel states acting as foreign agents. Enough is enough.

                                          ​Boost if you agree: Remove internal saboteurs.

                                          https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-vows-ukraine-e90b-loan-bypass-hungary-block/

                                          ​#EU #Hungary #Ukraine #Geopolitics #Security #EuropeanUnion #Europe #EUpol

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                                          assimilateborg@kind.social
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                                          #31

                                          @StefanAlvemo funky idea: if hungary agrees, it's a loan, if hungary does not agree, it's a donation.

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