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  • C commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com

    I can guarantee you that mob justice would be worse.

    i don’t see how. do you have a crystal ball?

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    village604@adultswim.fan
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    #46

    No crystal ball, but history repeats itself. That shit isn’t even in the distant past.

    Do you honestly think that groups of people with no experience in criminal investigations will get it right more often than people who dedicated their lives to it?

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    • C commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com

      if you’re going to just make things up, you should start off by letting everyone know so tehy don’t waste their time on your storytelling.

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      village604@adultswim.fan
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      #47

      What exactly am I making up?

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        commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        #48

        i explicitly said i don’t want a debate.

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        • V village604@adultswim.fan

          What exactly am I making up?

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          commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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          #49

          every line of that comment.

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          • C commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com

            i explicitly said i don’t want a debate.

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            heythisisnttheymca@lemmy.world
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            #50

            yet you keep demanding i provide logic and evidence. what is that but demanding a debate? do you really think everyone here is that stupid?

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            • V village604@adultswim.fan

              No crystal ball, but history repeats itself. That shit isn’t even in the distant past.

              Do you honestly think that groups of people with no experience in criminal investigations will get it right more often than people who dedicated their lives to it?

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              commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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              #51

              i think that the systems that govern us are unjust in a myriad of ways. i’m willing to tolerate some level of injustice in dealing with antisocial behavior, since i get that already, if it means we can throw off all the rest of the oppression we face from being governed.

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              • heythisisnttheymca@lemmy.worldH heythisisnttheymca@lemmy.world

                yet you keep demanding i provide logic and evidence. what is that but demanding a debate? do you really think everyone here is that stupid?

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                commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                #52

                i am not demanding anything. i’m pointing out that you literally made up your claim, and rather than even try to support it, you play rhetorical games.

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                • C commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com

                  i am not demanding anything. i’m pointing out that you literally made up your claim, and rather than even try to support it, you play rhetorical games.

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                  heythisisnttheymca@lemmy.world
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                  #53

                  that’s how speech works. people make up what they say. do you shout that at everyone?

                  edit: wait, do you only communicate in quotes? Is that what you were expecting?

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                  • C commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com

                    i am not demanding anything. i’m pointing out that you literally made up your claim, and rather than even try to support it, you play rhetorical games.

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                    inputzero@lemmy.world
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                    #54

                    Fine you don’t want to have a debate or have people challenge your opinions. You only want to tell others that their opinions are objectively wrong and everyone else except for you and your chosen few are idiots. My dude, what you’re doing isn’t new, I’ve been seeing it on the internet for decades.

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                    • C cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com

                      Similarly, a politician can abuse kids with impunity, but you can go to prison for seeing pictures of him doing it (or of others doing the same).

                      I’m not saying that possession of CSAM shouldn’t be illegal, but if we’re not prosecuting the crimes they depict, then is what they depict the crime or is it the knowledge it’s happening and who’s doing it?

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                      rampantparanoia2365@lemmy.world
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                      #55

                      As far as I know CSPAN comes with most cable packages.

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                      • I inputzero@lemmy.world

                        Fine you don’t want to have a debate or have people challenge your opinions. You only want to tell others that their opinions are objectively wrong and everyone else except for you and your chosen few are idiots. My dude, what you’re doing isn’t new, I’ve been seeing it on the internet for decades.

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                        commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                        #56

                        I am right, they are wrong. they made baseless claims and proceeded to posture as though I was wrong for calling them out.

                        your characterization doesn’t change any of the facts.

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                        • heythisisnttheymca@lemmy.worldH heythisisnttheymca@lemmy.world

                          that’s how speech works. people make up what they say. do you shout that at everyone?

                          edit: wait, do you only communicate in quotes? Is that what you were expecting?

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                          commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                          #57

                          that’s how speech works. people make up what they say.

                          when making claims about the natural world, doing that is worse than just keeping your mouth shut.

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                          • C commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com

                            that’s how speech works. people make up what they say.

                            when making claims about the natural world, doing that is worse than just keeping your mouth shut.

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                            heythisisnttheymca@lemmy.world
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                            #58

                            shame you wouldn’t recognize when you’re talking to an expert, since they have information and experience that contradicts your keyboard warrior lifestyle. but go off.

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                            • heythisisnttheymca@lemmy.worldH heythisisnttheymca@lemmy.world

                              shame you wouldn’t recognize when you’re talking to an expert, since they have information and experience that contradicts your keyboard warrior lifestyle. but go off.

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                              commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                              #59

                              an unsupported appeal to authority.

                              if you were an expert you wouldn’t have made the erroneous claim.

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                              • C commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com

                                an unsupported appeal to authority.

                                if you were an expert you wouldn’t have made the erroneous claim.

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                                heythisisnttheymca@lemmy.world
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                                there you go with your fallacy fallacy again ben

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                                • C commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com

                                  every line of that comment.

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                                  village604@adultswim.fan
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                                  So you are unable to specify exactly what was fabricated.

                                  At least you should be able to provide evidence against the things I said.

                                  I mean, it’s not like ancient Mesopotamia had accounting practices 7000 years ago or anything.

                                  I’m sure there are plenty of examples of currency and hierarchy free societies with populations in the tens to hundreds of millions you could provide.

                                  I’d also be interested to see what your plan is to peacefully change the governmental structure for 8 billion people.

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                                  • V village604@adultswim.fan

                                    So you are unable to specify exactly what was fabricated.

                                    At least you should be able to provide evidence against the things I said.

                                    I mean, it’s not like ancient Mesopotamia had accounting practices 7000 years ago or anything.

                                    I’m sure there are plenty of examples of currency and hierarchy free societies with populations in the tens to hundreds of millions you could provide.

                                    I’d also be interested to see what your plan is to peacefully change the governmental structure for 8 billion people.

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                                    sanctus@anarchist.nexus
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                                    #62

                                    We’ve never entirely eliminated money or government at a large scale to test the hypothesis if we would just make these concepts again. So it is entirely made up to say we would just invent them again because you can’t prove we would. Admittedly, its nearly impossible to test in the real world.

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                                    • V village604@adultswim.fan

                                      So you are unable to specify exactly what was fabricated.

                                      At least you should be able to provide evidence against the things I said.

                                      I mean, it’s not like ancient Mesopotamia had accounting practices 7000 years ago or anything.

                                      I’m sure there are plenty of examples of currency and hierarchy free societies with populations in the tens to hundreds of millions you could provide.

                                      I’d also be interested to see what your plan is to peacefully change the governmental structure for 8 billion people.

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                                      commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                                      So you are unable to specify exactly what was fabricated.

                                      i did. every line.

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                                      • heythisisnttheymca@lemmy.worldH heythisisnttheymca@lemmy.world

                                        Step two, pick victims who are socially disadvantaged

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                                        defaultusername@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                                        Step 3: Pit them against each other to distract them while you run out the back carrying all the money, leaving them with crumbs.

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                                        • deceptichum@quokk.auD deceptichum@quokk.au

                                          Community defences is a suitable replacement.

                                          I can point to millions of examples of cops and courts getting it wrong and innocent people suffering and dying, yet that’s not an argument against the system for you so why should it be against community management?

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                                          doomsider@lemmy.world
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                                          As there are millions of examples of them finding culprits and getting it right. I may not agree with the punishments, but I think your argument breaks down outside of a very small close knit community of people who practice consensus decision making.

                                          You can’t just plop down community management without the culture to make it work. These tools are missing from most communities and would lead to as many negative results if not more.

                                          We don’t even need to create hypothetical examples of this because we already have many historical examples of community management gone wrong like the Salem Witch trials.

                                          I think you need to seriously address this before you can shout community management as a panacea.

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