crime is a spook
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No crystal ball, but history repeats itself. That shit isn’t even in the distant past.
Do you honestly think that groups of people with no experience in criminal investigations will get it right more often than people who dedicated their lives to it?
i think that the systems that govern us are unjust in a myriad of ways. i’m willing to tolerate some level of injustice in dealing with antisocial behavior, since i get that already, if it means we can throw off all the rest of the oppression we face from being governed.
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yet you keep demanding i provide logic and evidence. what is that but demanding a debate? do you really think everyone here is that stupid?
i am not demanding anything. i’m pointing out that you literally made up your claim, and rather than even try to support it, you play rhetorical games.
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i am not demanding anything. i’m pointing out that you literally made up your claim, and rather than even try to support it, you play rhetorical games.
that’s how speech works. people make up what they say. do you shout that at everyone?
edit: wait, do you only communicate in quotes? Is that what you were expecting?
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i am not demanding anything. i’m pointing out that you literally made up your claim, and rather than even try to support it, you play rhetorical games.
Fine you don’t want to have a debate or have people challenge your opinions. You only want to tell others that their opinions are objectively wrong and everyone else except for you and your chosen few are idiots. My dude, what you’re doing isn’t new, I’ve been seeing it on the internet for decades.
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Similarly, a politician can abuse kids with impunity, but you can go to prison for seeing pictures of him doing it (or of others doing the same).
I’m not saying that possession of CSAM shouldn’t be illegal, but if we’re not prosecuting the crimes they depict, then is what they depict the crime or is it the knowledge it’s happening and who’s doing it?
As far as I know CSPAN comes with most cable packages.
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Fine you don’t want to have a debate or have people challenge your opinions. You only want to tell others that their opinions are objectively wrong and everyone else except for you and your chosen few are idiots. My dude, what you’re doing isn’t new, I’ve been seeing it on the internet for decades.
I am right, they are wrong. they made baseless claims and proceeded to posture as though I was wrong for calling them out.
your characterization doesn’t change any of the facts.
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that’s how speech works. people make up what they say. do you shout that at everyone?
edit: wait, do you only communicate in quotes? Is that what you were expecting?
that’s how speech works. people make up what they say.
when making claims about the natural world, doing that is worse than just keeping your mouth shut.
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that’s how speech works. people make up what they say.
when making claims about the natural world, doing that is worse than just keeping your mouth shut.
shame you wouldn’t recognize when you’re talking to an expert, since they have information and experience that contradicts your keyboard warrior lifestyle. but go off.
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shame you wouldn’t recognize when you’re talking to an expert, since they have information and experience that contradicts your keyboard warrior lifestyle. but go off.
an unsupported appeal to authority.
if you were an expert you wouldn’t have made the erroneous claim.
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an unsupported appeal to authority.
if you were an expert you wouldn’t have made the erroneous claim.
there you go with your fallacy fallacy again ben
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every line of that comment.
So you are unable to specify exactly what was fabricated.
At least you should be able to provide evidence against the things I said.
I mean, it’s not like ancient Mesopotamia had accounting practices 7000 years ago or anything.
I’m sure there are plenty of examples of currency and hierarchy free societies with populations in the tens to hundreds of millions you could provide.
I’d also be interested to see what your plan is to peacefully change the governmental structure for 8 billion people.
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So you are unable to specify exactly what was fabricated.
At least you should be able to provide evidence against the things I said.
I mean, it’s not like ancient Mesopotamia had accounting practices 7000 years ago or anything.
I’m sure there are plenty of examples of currency and hierarchy free societies with populations in the tens to hundreds of millions you could provide.
I’d also be interested to see what your plan is to peacefully change the governmental structure for 8 billion people.
We’ve never entirely eliminated money or government at a large scale to test the hypothesis if we would just make these concepts again. So it is entirely made up to say we would just invent them again because you can’t prove we would. Admittedly, its nearly impossible to test in the real world.
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So you are unable to specify exactly what was fabricated.
At least you should be able to provide evidence against the things I said.
I mean, it’s not like ancient Mesopotamia had accounting practices 7000 years ago or anything.
I’m sure there are plenty of examples of currency and hierarchy free societies with populations in the tens to hundreds of millions you could provide.
I’d also be interested to see what your plan is to peacefully change the governmental structure for 8 billion people.
So you are unable to specify exactly what was fabricated.
i did. every line.
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Step two, pick victims who are socially disadvantaged
Step 3: Pit them against each other to distract them while you run out the back carrying all the money, leaving them with crumbs.
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Community defences is a suitable replacement.
I can point to millions of examples of cops and courts getting it wrong and innocent people suffering and dying, yet that’s not an argument against the system for you so why should it be against community management?
As there are millions of examples of them finding culprits and getting it right. I may not agree with the punishments, but I think your argument breaks down outside of a very small close knit community of people who practice consensus decision making.
You can’t just plop down community management without the culture to make it work. These tools are missing from most communities and would lead to as many negative results if not more.
We don’t even need to create hypothetical examples of this because we already have many historical examples of community management gone wrong like the Salem Witch trials.
I think you need to seriously address this before you can shout community management as a panacea.
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I can guarantee you that mob justice would be worse.
i don’t see how. do you have a crystal ball?
You don’t need a crystal ball to observe history.
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I’m not disagreeing with any argument against the current system, I’m just saying that putting the power in the hands of the people isn’t a suitable replacement.
Professional, highly educated and properly trained law enforcement with robust civilian oversight is the solution.
Law enforcement itself is a problem, it cannot be regulated or trained to anything but the tool of state oppression.
People with a direct stake in the wellbeing of a community are the only people who can properly care for the community.
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call me when you’ve built a single homeless shelter. just one. then you can lecture me on anything.
you just sit behind your keyboard. Some of us (not you) actually live it.
I would be arrested for doing so, as I would not meet legal qualifications. I volunteer preparing and serving food to the community, houseless or not.
But that has nothing to do with your ridiculous argument that people would simply recreate the same systems of oppression as if it were a natural biological trait of all people and not a social construct.
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And the social contract is some divine thing, or what?
It’s not, nor is it fixed.
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As there are millions of examples of them finding culprits and getting it right. I may not agree with the punishments, but I think your argument breaks down outside of a very small close knit community of people who practice consensus decision making.
You can’t just plop down community management without the culture to make it work. These tools are missing from most communities and would lead to as many negative results if not more.
We don’t even need to create hypothetical examples of this because we already have many historical examples of community management gone wrong like the Salem Witch trials.
I think you need to seriously address this before you can shout community management as a panacea.
You can’t just plop down community management without the culture to make it work. These tools are missing from most communities and would lead to as many negative results if not more.
Well of course. Nothing will work right away if people aren’t educated and empowered. But the tools are missing precisely because we have given them to the state. Thus to see this change, they must be returned to the community who can relearn to practice them.
We also have examples of community management going right, such as in Rojava or Chiaps where the people are the ones patrolling their streets, deciding on how to right wrongs collectively, and generally showing much better results than we have in the West.
