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  • blogdiva@mastodon.socialB blogdiva@mastodon.social

    malthusianism is eugenics which is always founded on racism.

    if you agree with anything malthusian, i would suggest going into cult deprogramming therapy.

    malthusianism ―like eugenics, like racism, like capitalism― is a death cult.

    @mark @anthropy @GhostOnTheHalfShell @benroyce

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    #116

    @blogdiva @mark @anthropy @GhostOnTheHalfShell @benroyce

    Sure "Malthusianism" starts with what everyone thinks is popularly known but then it descends into boring old statistics, economics, efforts to prevent starvation through parliament and conversations with Riccardo.

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    • blogdiva@mastodon.socialB blogdiva@mastodon.social

      STOP

      Mama Gaya is enough.

      the death cult of settler colonialist, extractivist capitalism is the problem.

      there's a reason LAND REDISTRIBUTION WARS started after the wars of independence across all the Américas.

      no nation can survive when capitalists control all the land. you cant cash crop ecosystems into profits without genocide and ecocide.

      kill capalism to save us all.

      malthusianism is eugenics & racist. deprogram that shit.

      @ArchaeoIain @jwcph @benroyce @GhostOnTheHalfShell

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      #117

      @blogdiva @ArchaeoIain @jwcph @benroyce

      that’s right. Capitalism is the global supply chain. To break capitalism, de couple from the global supply chain.

      This is the most important problem to address.

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      • anthropy@mastodon.derg.nzA anthropy@mastodon.derg.nz

        @c_merriweather @adriano @GhostOnTheHalfShell @blogdiva @benroyce I bought a nissan leaf 2013 about half a year ago. less than 70k km on the odometer, 90% original battery capacity. Cost me 4.5k. Saved me over 1k in gasoline so far

        I think people aren't looking enough at the second hand EV market tbqh, which I get is scary cuz batteries and all, but that's not nearly as bad as it's been once. I kinda wish battery replacement services were more prevalent, because I know I you can triple the kWh.

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        #118

        @anthropy

        Folks like me don't have $ to buy "new" cars, EV or not. Survivor's benefits are at poverty level.

        @adriano @GhostOnTheHalfShell @blogdiva @benroyce

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        • c_merriweather@social.linux.pizzaC c_merriweather@social.linux.pizza

          @anthropy

          Folks like me don't have $ to buy "new" cars, EV or not. Survivor's benefits are at poverty level.

          @adriano @GhostOnTheHalfShell @blogdiva @benroyce

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          #119

          @c_merriweather @anthropy @adriano @GhostOnTheHalfShell @blogdiva

          sure but that's a different problem

          massive subsidies for EV purchase would help

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          • c_merriweather@social.linux.pizzaC c_merriweather@social.linux.pizza

            @anthropy

            Folks like me don't have $ to buy "new" cars, EV or not. Survivor's benefits are at poverty level.

            @adriano @GhostOnTheHalfShell @blogdiva @benroyce

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            #120

            @c_merriweather At that income level, these problems are best solved through clean public transport. I know it's very hard to achieve in the USA outside large cities, but that's happening right now here in Santiago de Chile: the bus fleet is modernizing with electric vehicles which are also much more comfortable. @anthropy @GhostOnTheHalfShell @blogdiva @benroyce

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            • benhm3@saint-paul.usB benhm3@saint-paul.us

              @GhostOnTheHalfShell @anthropy @benroyce @blogdiva

              I’m sorry Ghost, you’re wrong. You’ve been mislead by oil companies to confuse things like power and energy.

              Try this video. But stop at the end-credits: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtQ9nt2ZeGM

              For the rest of my people, watch the post-roll and put it on loop.

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              #121

              @BenHM3

              have watched that video. nowhere in it does he actually address the environmental destruction that comes from exponential growth extracting, aluminum, copper, silver, nickel, and lithium.

              To extract and purify the resources is necessary to transform power generation requires destroying the planet in the process.

              The resource extraction and refinement industry is no different than big oil.

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              • adriano@lile.clA adriano@lile.cl

                @c_merriweather At that income level, these problems are best solved through clean public transport. I know it's very hard to achieve in the USA outside large cities, but that's happening right now here in Santiago de Chile: the bus fleet is modernizing with electric vehicles which are also much more comfortable. @anthropy @GhostOnTheHalfShell @blogdiva @benroyce

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                #122

                @adriano @c_merriweather @anthropy @GhostOnTheHalfShell @blogdiva

                as an american, i envy the commitment to mass transit in other countries. the usa is really pathetic on this topic

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                • ghostonthehalfshell@masto.aiG ghostonthehalfshell@masto.ai

                  @BenHM3

                  have watched that video. nowhere in it does he actually address the environmental destruction that comes from exponential growth extracting, aluminum, copper, silver, nickel, and lithium.

                  To extract and purify the resources is necessary to transform power generation requires destroying the planet in the process.

                  The resource extraction and refinement industry is no different than big oil.

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                  #123

                  @BenHM3

                  Furthermore, he uses a false equivalence between lead recycling in lead acid batteries other technologies like PV or wind turbines.

                  These are not equivalent artifacts in terms of recycling. Building panels or turbines from new resources is less expensive than using recycled resources.

                  Extracting one material from these devices, usually precludes extracting other materials from these devices.

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                  • c_merriweather@social.linux.pizzaC c_merriweather@social.linux.pizza

                    @anthropy

                    Folks like me don't have $ to buy "new" cars, EV or not. Survivor's benefits are at poverty level.

                    @adriano @GhostOnTheHalfShell @blogdiva @benroyce

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                    #124

                    @c_merriweather @adriano @GhostOnTheHalfShell @blogdiva @benroyce I 100% get how tough that is, I've been there too. But these days second hand EVs are as cheap as normal cars, with less maintenance and fuel costs. only issue is range on those older models but if you don't need more than 100km between charges they're more than fine. And for less than 500 you can build an offgrid solar setup to charge it a bit with (2.5kw panels + offgrid inverter + 500Wh battery). I wish I had this back then tbh

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                    • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                      @adriano @c_merriweather @anthropy @GhostOnTheHalfShell @blogdiva

                      as an american, i envy the commitment to mass transit in other countries. the usa is really pathetic on this topic

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                      #125

                      @benroyce On the other hand, if they get it done in large metropolises like NYC, it will do *a lot*, I think. @c_merriweather @anthropy @GhostOnTheHalfShell @blogdiva

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                      • ghostonthehalfshell@masto.aiG ghostonthehalfshell@masto.ai

                        @BenHM3

                        Furthermore, he uses a false equivalence between lead recycling in lead acid batteries other technologies like PV or wind turbines.

                        These are not equivalent artifacts in terms of recycling. Building panels or turbines from new resources is less expensive than using recycled resources.

                        Extracting one material from these devices, usually precludes extracting other materials from these devices.

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                        #126

                        @BenHM3

                        On top of this, you cannot build solar panels without burning down old growth forest because you need the carbon from them in order to manufacture PV. This is one reason why Chinese PV are so inexpensive. They burn up tons of carbon and tons of old growth forest in order to manufacture these things..

                        The blind assertion that this is somehow less damaging is an assertion made without evidence.

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                        • adriano@lile.clA adriano@lile.cl

                          @benroyce On the other hand, if they get it done in large metropolises like NYC, it will do *a lot*, I think. @c_merriweather @anthropy @GhostOnTheHalfShell @blogdiva

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                          #127

                          @adriano @c_merriweather @anthropy @GhostOnTheHalfShell @blogdiva

                          as previous resident of midtown manhattan, and now living way out in western new york, you don't have to convince me

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                          • ghostonthehalfshell@masto.aiG ghostonthehalfshell@masto.ai

                            @BenHM3

                            On top of this, you cannot build solar panels without burning down old growth forest because you need the carbon from them in order to manufacture PV. This is one reason why Chinese PV are so inexpensive. They burn up tons of carbon and tons of old growth forest in order to manufacture these things..

                            The blind assertion that this is somehow less damaging is an assertion made without evidence.

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                            #128

                            @BenHM3

                            So I’m going to ask you how tens of thousands of hectares of the natural do you think we can afford in order to not burn fossil fuels?

                            Fundamentally the mistaken assumption is that we can burn as much energy by changing our energy source and it will all work out.

                            This assertion is made without consider to whether or not the conversion itself can be born without killing the environment, so much that the outcome is no different than continuing to burn fossil fuels.

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                            • ghostonthehalfshell@masto.aiG ghostonthehalfshell@masto.ai

                              @BenHM3

                              So I’m going to ask you how tens of thousands of hectares of the natural do you think we can afford in order to not burn fossil fuels?

                              Fundamentally the mistaken assumption is that we can burn as much energy by changing our energy source and it will all work out.

                              This assertion is made without consider to whether or not the conversion itself can be born without killing the environment, so much that the outcome is no different than continuing to burn fossil fuels.

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                              #129

                              @BenHM3

                              Too much is too much. This is the fundamental point nobody is willing to come to terms with seemingly.

                              It’s a transition in the same outcome is not transitioning. The solution is not to keep burning fossil fuels. The solution is to cut back..

                              There is no other choice, but to get rid of cars, for example

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                              • ghostonthehalfshell@masto.aiG ghostonthehalfshell@masto.ai

                                @blogdiva @ArchaeoIain @jwcph @benroyce

                                that’s right. Capitalism is the global supply chain. To break capitalism, de couple from the global supply chain.

                                This is the most important problem to address.

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                                #130

                                @GhostOnTheHalfShell @blogdiva @ArchaeoIain @benroyce OK, all of that is just fucking nonsense - but at least we agree that capitalism has to go. I'll leave it at that.

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                                  #131

                                  @benroyce@mastodon.social
                                  We don't know the average life expectancy of EV batteries yet, but if they are sub-10 years, then the EV will never reach the green payoff.

                                  Now comes the real meat of this discussion energy production emissions. Yes hydro-electric dams produce more harmful emissions than we previously thought, but that is for the first 20ish years as the vegetation in the resivoir degrades

                                  3/?
                                  @dnkboston@apobangpo.space @GhostOnTheHalfShell@masto.ai @blogdiva

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