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  • fj@mastodon.socialF fj@mastodon.social

    Keep these monstrosities off our roads 🙅‍♂️

    "US carmakers have accused Brussels of keeping their largest pick-up trucks, including the Ford F-150, the Chevy Silverado and the Ram 1500, off European roads”

    https://www.ft.com/content/3eb796fd-bcdb-4a9f-89b7-f7d5e692a3cd

    https://www.carsized.com/en/cars/compare/renault-twingo-1998-3-door-hatchback-vs-ford-f-350-2016-4-door-pickup-crew-cab/

    ravelin@mindly.socialR This user is from outside of this forum
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    #164

    @fj I wish we could keep them off of US roads too...

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    • fj@mastodon.socialF fj@mastodon.social

      Keep these monstrosities off our roads 🙅‍♂️

      "US carmakers have accused Brussels of keeping their largest pick-up trucks, including the Ford F-150, the Chevy Silverado and the Ram 1500, off European roads”

      https://www.ft.com/content/3eb796fd-bcdb-4a9f-89b7-f7d5e692a3cd

      https://www.carsized.com/en/cars/compare/renault-twingo-1998-3-door-hatchback-vs-ford-f-350-2016-4-door-pickup-crew-cab/

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      #165

      @fj

      Good luck.

      Canadian roads are a lot less safe since they got filled with these monsters, and the more there are, the more people want them because if you're in a small car you are more likely to get crushed by one, and the people who drive them like to intimidate people in smaller cars and can't see small people in parking lots.

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      • cellomomoncars@mastodon.socialC cellomomoncars@mastodon.social

        @uint8_t @ghard @simon_brooke @fj

        So far, zero emission vehicles have just about zero tax in NL, at sale. I don't know about the road tax.

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        #166

        @CelloMomOnCars @ghard @simon_brooke @fj Germany has BEV motor vehicle tax set to 0% until 2030, I think NL is similar

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        • fj@mastodon.socialF fj@mastodon.social

          Keep these monstrosities off our roads 🙅‍♂️

          "US carmakers have accused Brussels of keeping their largest pick-up trucks, including the Ford F-150, the Chevy Silverado and the Ram 1500, off European roads”

          https://www.ft.com/content/3eb796fd-bcdb-4a9f-89b7-f7d5e692a3cd

          https://www.carsized.com/en/cars/compare/renault-twingo-1998-3-door-hatchback-vs-ford-f-350-2016-4-door-pickup-crew-cab/

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          #167

          @fj In a small suburban town of the US. Most people on my street have a giant truck like this. They never seem to haul anything with them. And they all like to start their ridiculously loud and smelly engines up, only to idle for 10-20 minutes before leaving. Never a quiet moment.

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          • fj@mastodon.socialF fj@mastodon.social

            Keep these monstrosities off our roads 🙅‍♂️

            "US carmakers have accused Brussels of keeping their largest pick-up trucks, including the Ford F-150, the Chevy Silverado and the Ram 1500, off European roads”

            https://www.ft.com/content/3eb796fd-bcdb-4a9f-89b7-f7d5e692a3cd

            https://www.carsized.com/en/cars/compare/renault-twingo-1998-3-door-hatchback-vs-ford-f-350-2016-4-door-pickup-crew-cab/

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            #168

            @fj gods, I wish we could get them off US roads. Without fail they are always the meanest, rudest drivers.

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            • fj@mastodon.socialF fj@mastodon.social

              Keep these monstrosities off our roads 🙅‍♂️

              "US carmakers have accused Brussels of keeping their largest pick-up trucks, including the Ford F-150, the Chevy Silverado and the Ram 1500, off European roads”

              https://www.ft.com/content/3eb796fd-bcdb-4a9f-89b7-f7d5e692a3cd

              https://www.carsized.com/en/cars/compare/renault-twingo-1998-3-door-hatchback-vs-ford-f-350-2016-4-door-pickup-crew-cab/

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              #169

              @fj I was in a parking last week where one of those testicars was parked: it was so wide it spread on the adjacent parking place, unusable. And it was so long that it was >1m in the alley, so incoming and outgoing cars could not cross each other.
              They should simply impose a max width and length for car in public parkings.

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              • fj@mastodon.socialF fj@mastodon.social

                Keep these monstrosities off our roads 🙅‍♂️

                "US carmakers have accused Brussels of keeping their largest pick-up trucks, including the Ford F-150, the Chevy Silverado and the Ram 1500, off European roads”

                https://www.ft.com/content/3eb796fd-bcdb-4a9f-89b7-f7d5e692a3cd

                https://www.carsized.com/en/cars/compare/renault-twingo-1998-3-door-hatchback-vs-ford-f-350-2016-4-door-pickup-crew-cab/

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                #170

                @fj let's hope the Commission keeps it's nerve and slowly reduces the frustration not heights of cars. Even EU ones are getting higher and more dangerous to children and all pedestrians.

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                • rin3d@mastodon.socialR rin3d@mastodon.social

                  @killionaire @fj yep stupid government tied emissions requirements to foot print size and shits been getting bigger ever since.

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                  #171

                  @Rin3d @killionaire @fj No small trucks in the US because of a 60 year old law.
                  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicken_tax

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                  • fj@mastodon.socialF fj@mastodon.social

                    Keep these monstrosities off our roads 🙅‍♂️

                    "US carmakers have accused Brussels of keeping their largest pick-up trucks, including the Ford F-150, the Chevy Silverado and the Ram 1500, off European roads”

                    https://www.ft.com/content/3eb796fd-bcdb-4a9f-89b7-f7d5e692a3cd

                    https://www.carsized.com/en/cars/compare/renault-twingo-1998-3-door-hatchback-vs-ford-f-350-2016-4-door-pickup-crew-cab/

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                    #172

                    @fj

                    Their roads … their rules/laws

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                    • fj@mastodon.socialF fj@mastodon.social

                      Keep these monstrosities off our roads 🙅‍♂️

                      "US carmakers have accused Brussels of keeping their largest pick-up trucks, including the Ford F-150, the Chevy Silverado and the Ram 1500, off European roads”

                      https://www.ft.com/content/3eb796fd-bcdb-4a9f-89b7-f7d5e692a3cd

                      https://www.carsized.com/en/cars/compare/renault-twingo-1998-3-door-hatchback-vs-ford-f-350-2016-4-door-pickup-crew-cab/

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                      #173

                      @fj
                      As an European, I'm cool with this.

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                      • fj@mastodon.socialF fj@mastodon.social

                        Keep these monstrosities off our roads 🙅‍♂️

                        "US carmakers have accused Brussels of keeping their largest pick-up trucks, including the Ford F-150, the Chevy Silverado and the Ram 1500, off European roads”

                        https://www.ft.com/content/3eb796fd-bcdb-4a9f-89b7-f7d5e692a3cd

                        https://www.carsized.com/en/cars/compare/renault-twingo-1998-3-door-hatchback-vs-ford-f-350-2016-4-door-pickup-crew-cab/

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                        #174

                        @fj
                        And I hope they continue to do so!

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                        • fj@mastodon.socialF fj@mastodon.social

                          Keep these monstrosities off our roads 🙅‍♂️

                          "US carmakers have accused Brussels of keeping their largest pick-up trucks, including the Ford F-150, the Chevy Silverado and the Ram 1500, off European roads”

                          https://www.ft.com/content/3eb796fd-bcdb-4a9f-89b7-f7d5e692a3cd

                          https://www.carsized.com/en/cars/compare/renault-twingo-1998-3-door-hatchback-vs-ford-f-350-2016-4-door-pickup-crew-cab/

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                          #175

                          @fj The US – the only country on the planet to reject the international-consensus U.N. Vehicle safety and emissions regulations, instead clinging rabidly to their own (different, mostly not better, often substantially worse) standards, and which uses bogus taxes to keep non-US pickup trucks out – bitching about non-tariff trade barriers when the world's grownup countries close enforcement loopholes on the world's grownup vehicle standards. Fabulous.

                          Let's hope Europe doesn't repeat Japan's very stupid mistake.

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                          • jerrej@mastodon.socialJ jerrej@mastodon.social

                            @mikaeleiman @disco3000

                            They made seven/eight seat yet still smallish "station wagons" sixty years ago and I still see plenty of that format driving around now. Who is supposedly stopping anyone building those now, exactly?

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                            #176

                            @jerrej

                            Safety ratings. Tragically it's a key selling point that your toddler crushing wheeled machine will protect you against even against the most egregious driver of another toddler crushing wheeled machine.

                            With the airbags, crumple zones, motorised belts, you need perhaps 40 centimeters of extra bulk all around the "car".
                            @mikaeleiman @disco3000

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                            • fj@mastodon.socialF fj@mastodon.social

                              Keep these monstrosities off our roads 🙅‍♂️

                              "US carmakers have accused Brussels of keeping their largest pick-up trucks, including the Ford F-150, the Chevy Silverado and the Ram 1500, off European roads”

                              https://www.ft.com/content/3eb796fd-bcdb-4a9f-89b7-f7d5e692a3cd

                              https://www.carsized.com/en/cars/compare/renault-twingo-1998-3-door-hatchback-vs-ford-f-350-2016-4-door-pickup-crew-cab/

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                              #177

                              @fj Yup. Don’t want em!

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                              • fj@mastodon.socialF fj@mastodon.social

                                Keep these monstrosities off our roads 🙅‍♂️

                                "US carmakers have accused Brussels of keeping their largest pick-up trucks, including the Ford F-150, the Chevy Silverado and the Ram 1500, off European roads”

                                https://www.ft.com/content/3eb796fd-bcdb-4a9f-89b7-f7d5e692a3cd

                                https://www.carsized.com/en/cars/compare/renault-twingo-1998-3-door-hatchback-vs-ford-f-350-2016-4-door-pickup-crew-cab/

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                                #178

                                @fj @macmanx can we get these off of US roads too?

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                                • reloadedhead@mastodon.socialR reloadedhead@mastodon.social

                                  @fj why not let people decide if they want such a large vehicle or not?

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                                  #179

                                  @reloadedhead @fj Where is the line for you in the balance between individual wants and the known dangers? We can already count the dead children, and measure how poor the visibility is. More than once I have had to bang on an SUV to stop them driving over my child laden bakfiets at a crossing (because they went through the lights when there wasn’t space to go on and blocked the crossing so I had to pass in front and they couldn’t see me and started to move with the traffic in front.

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                                  • fj@mastodon.socialF fj@mastodon.social

                                    Keep these monstrosities off our roads 🙅‍♂️

                                    "US carmakers have accused Brussels of keeping their largest pick-up trucks, including the Ford F-150, the Chevy Silverado and the Ram 1500, off European roads”

                                    https://www.ft.com/content/3eb796fd-bcdb-4a9f-89b7-f7d5e692a3cd

                                    https://www.carsized.com/en/cars/compare/renault-twingo-1998-3-door-hatchback-vs-ford-f-350-2016-4-door-pickup-crew-cab/

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                                    #180

                                    @fj@mastodon.social they are very rare but i see sometimes those weird child-crushing machines on our nice safe roads where i live, why would you need that to go get groceries?

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                                    • jerrej@mastodon.socialJ jerrej@mastodon.social

                                      @mikaeleiman @disco3000

                                      They made seven/eight seat yet still smallish "station wagons" sixty years ago and I still see plenty of that format driving around now. Who is supposedly stopping anyone building those now, exactly?

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                                      #181

                                      @jerrej @WestLawns I haven't found more than a handful of alterantives for: full EV, seven seats for adults, price below 65k € . The short list I have is Peugeot e5008 and Kia EV9…

                                      Our current car is a Sharan, and if there was an EV version of it we'd probably go with that.

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                                      • fj@mastodon.socialF fj@mastodon.social

                                        Keep these monstrosities off our roads 🙅‍♂️

                                        "US carmakers have accused Brussels of keeping their largest pick-up trucks, including the Ford F-150, the Chevy Silverado and the Ram 1500, off European roads”

                                        https://www.ft.com/content/3eb796fd-bcdb-4a9f-89b7-f7d5e692a3cd

                                        https://www.carsized.com/en/cars/compare/renault-twingo-1998-3-door-hatchback-vs-ford-f-350-2016-4-door-pickup-crew-cab/

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                                        #182

                                        @fj I was interested to read recently that US trucks have largely become bigger due to perverse incentives from the EPA: essentially, makers have to make vehicles more fuel efficient over time, but fuel economy is calculated relative to footprint (wheelbase x track width). Making trucks bigger is easier than making the engines more efficient.

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                                        • fj@mastodon.socialF fj@mastodon.social

                                          Keep these monstrosities off our roads 🙅‍♂️

                                          "US carmakers have accused Brussels of keeping their largest pick-up trucks, including the Ford F-150, the Chevy Silverado and the Ram 1500, off European roads”

                                          https://www.ft.com/content/3eb796fd-bcdb-4a9f-89b7-f7d5e692a3cd

                                          https://www.carsized.com/en/cars/compare/renault-twingo-1998-3-door-hatchback-vs-ford-f-350-2016-4-door-pickup-crew-cab/

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                                          #183

                                          @fj

                                          Their countries, their laws, their choice..

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