This is depressing.
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This is depressing. Perfectly good alternatives to all Adobe have existed for many years and are used at pro level, but someone hallucinates some code with claude (which I hear was trained on code of programs like gimp and inkscape) and suddenly everyone is raving about it being the end of Adobe, though the thing they praise is at best entry level stuff. But like other snake oil sellers, they claim it will get there, though their "in one month" is now "many months" #artcraft #foss
@dilmandila My social feeds have been full of posts about this. It seems a bit suspicious, to be honest.
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This is depressing. Perfectly good alternatives to all Adobe have existed for many years and are used at pro level, but someone hallucinates some code with claude (which I hear was trained on code of programs like gimp and inkscape) and suddenly everyone is raving about it being the end of Adobe, though the thing they praise is at best entry level stuff. But like other snake oil sellers, they claim it will get there, though their "in one month" is now "many months" #artcraft #foss
@dilmandila Same thoughts here... But most people also claim that they need Microsoft Word because you can't get anything done with LibreOffice. Or that they actually need Photoshop instead of Gimp. Hell, let them vibecode what they feel like. At least it's open source and it might dispell some of the magic of pricey closed software. Personally I always believed that software should be free and with AI there's much less incentive to steal code anyway...
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This is depressing. Perfectly good alternatives to all Adobe have existed for many years and are used at pro level, but someone hallucinates some code with claude (which I hear was trained on code of programs like gimp and inkscape) and suddenly everyone is raving about it being the end of Adobe, though the thing they praise is at best entry level stuff. But like other snake oil sellers, they claim it will get there, though their "in one month" is now "many months" #artcraft #foss
@dilmandila I wonder how many more times they can rediscover that making the code is almost the least important or difficult part of software development before it actually sinks in
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This is depressing. Perfectly good alternatives to all Adobe have existed for many years and are used at pro level, but someone hallucinates some code with claude (which I hear was trained on code of programs like gimp and inkscape) and suddenly everyone is raving about it being the end of Adobe, though the thing they praise is at best entry level stuff. But like other snake oil sellers, they claim it will get there, though their "in one month" is now "many months" #artcraft #foss
It’s just AI bros pushing their agenda
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This is depressing. Perfectly good alternatives to all Adobe have existed for many years and are used at pro level, but someone hallucinates some code with claude (which I hear was trained on code of programs like gimp and inkscape) and suddenly everyone is raving about it being the end of Adobe, though the thing they praise is at best entry level stuff. But like other snake oil sellers, they claim it will get there, though their "in one month" is now "many months" #artcraft #foss
@dilmandila I perceive a gap with techbros whose opinion clearly shifted in the past 6 months. Beforehand they were against the AI written software big wave. Now it's just "whatever if people stop using paid software"
People
the point of FOSS is to be out of capitalism and all of its parts. AI is capitalism. Throw it away! Software won't be free if it's built with AI -
@dilmandila there have been a few sensible and serious reviews of this slop and they all find the same fundamental problems. Turns out it’s easy to churn out somethjng that looks just like the adobe ui but of course it doesn’t actually work.
@Wifiwits @dilmandila can you link some?
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This is depressing. Perfectly good alternatives to all Adobe have existed for many years and are used at pro level, but someone hallucinates some code with claude (which I hear was trained on code of programs like gimp and inkscape) and suddenly everyone is raving about it being the end of Adobe, though the thing they praise is at best entry level stuff. But like other snake oil sellers, they claim it will get there, though their "in one month" is now "many months" #artcraft #foss
@dilmandila I barely managed to get After Effects 24 running under Linux and render stuff there. There is also EffectsCraft...
It is bad though that it is not hand made. But for my use case, I need animation more.
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This is depressing. Perfectly good alternatives to all Adobe have existed for many years and are used at pro level, but someone hallucinates some code with claude (which I hear was trained on code of programs like gimp and inkscape) and suddenly everyone is raving about it being the end of Adobe, though the thing they praise is at best entry level stuff. But like other snake oil sellers, they claim it will get there, though their "in one month" is now "many months" #artcraft #foss
@dilmandila totally agree with you and find the raging weird and off putting.
The only way the optimism might make sense to me (being one who feels trapped by Adobe) is that the new software claims to be able to open and save Adobe formats perfectly. The FOSS software can’t do this. Being able to handle Adobe files well is a prerequisite to making a clean break with Adobe.
Otherwise, the hue is completely misdirected.
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This is depressing. Perfectly good alternatives to all Adobe have existed for many years and are used at pro level, but someone hallucinates some code with claude (which I hear was trained on code of programs like gimp and inkscape) and suddenly everyone is raving about it being the end of Adobe, though the thing they praise is at best entry level stuff. But like other snake oil sellers, they claim it will get there, though their "in one month" is now "many months" #artcraft #foss
@dilmandila Deleted Adobe after they trained their own LLM on PRIVATE PHOTO GALLERIES of their PREMIUM users. Never going back. Fuck Adobe. They are beyond evil!
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@dilmandila Deleted Adobe after they trained their own LLM on PRIVATE PHOTO GALLERIES of their PREMIUM users. Never going back. Fuck Adobe. They are beyond evil!
@LAG_Netzpolitik_BW @dilmandila
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This is depressing. Perfectly good alternatives to all Adobe have existed for many years and are used at pro level, but someone hallucinates some code with claude (which I hear was trained on code of programs like gimp and inkscape) and suddenly everyone is raving about it being the end of Adobe, though the thing they praise is at best entry level stuff. But like other snake oil sellers, they claim it will get there, though their "in one month" is now "many months" #artcraft #foss
@dilmandila My youngest daughter is an artist. She uses a Wacom tablet with Krita on her System76 laptop running Pop!_OS. When I told her about this she just shrugged and said "I use Krita." Cheers, -Randy #krita
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@dilmandila I think people cheer more for it, because they hate Adobe, than because they like the new programs.
@kaffeeringe @dilmandila
I like the foss alternatives but i like the copycats better because I don't have to retrain myself to use them.the copycats have essentially the same layout and shortcuts that creatives spent years using.Old habits die hard.
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This is depressing. Perfectly good alternatives to all Adobe have existed for many years and are used at pro level, but someone hallucinates some code with claude (which I hear was trained on code of programs like gimp and inkscape) and suddenly everyone is raving about it being the end of Adobe, though the thing they praise is at best entry level stuff. But like other snake oil sellers, they claim it will get there, though their "in one month" is now "many months" #artcraft #foss
@dilmandila @Gargron I haven't dug deeply into the matter, but I took it as an ironic way of confronting Adobe with its own contradictions: they have no issue about training their models without compensating the artists whose work is used as training data (and devalued in the process), so if they attack this project, they implicitly attack their own practices too.
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@dilmandila My youngest daughter is an artist. She uses a Wacom tablet with Krita on her System76 laptop running Pop!_OS. When I told her about this she just shrugged and said "I use Krita." Cheers, -Randy #krita
@randygalbraith @dilmandila My exact setup as well haha
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@dilmandila Same thoughts here... But most people also claim that they need Microsoft Word because you can't get anything done with LibreOffice. Or that they actually need Photoshop instead of Gimp. Hell, let them vibecode what they feel like. At least it's open source and it might dispell some of the magic of pricey closed software. Personally I always believed that software should be free and with AI there's much less incentive to steal code anyway...
@dr_laemmerbein @dilmandila GIMP is not an appropriate replacement for Photoshop unless your use case for Photoshop is just experimentation. That's what GIMP was made as, that's why GIMP makes no effort to accommodate artists.
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@dr_laemmerbein @dilmandila GIMP is not an appropriate replacement for Photoshop unless your use case for Photoshop is just experimentation. That's what GIMP was made as, that's why GIMP makes no effort to accommodate artists.
@kyle_pegasus I guess it depends on what you use it for. I'm using darktable and Gimp for photography and I'm perfectly happy with the feature set.
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@dilmandila Oh yes, I was also rolling my eyes very strongly when I first heard about this. Didn't consider the training aspect, but of course the open source codes are right there for everyone to steal...
@ditsch42 @dilmandila Claude is also trained on all Adobe code as well. Remember that an LLM can "read" object code just as easily as source code.
Object code isn't so easy for humans to read, but that's really just an incidental side effect of making the code easy for CPUs to read. An LLM doesn't care either way.
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This is depressing. Perfectly good alternatives to all Adobe have existed for many years and are used at pro level, but someone hallucinates some code with claude (which I hear was trained on code of programs like gimp and inkscape) and suddenly everyone is raving about it being the end of Adobe, though the thing they praise is at best entry level stuff. But like other snake oil sellers, they claim it will get there, though their "in one month" is now "many months" #artcraft #foss
@dilmandila i learned about the existence of Glama.ai today and the thing i gravitated most around is the "maintenance" rating:
Maintenance health based on commit activity, issue responsiveness, release frequency, and community profile.
"A" = actively maintained. "F" = abandoned or archived.
search for anything you want related to something on the internet (suggested searches: google, minecraft, bluesky and finally mastodon). what do you see? a bunch of abandoned shit. this metric isn't just "had an update recently", this is "does anyone who worked on this give a shit?" and the answer is no. no one gives a shit about things they already made and maintaining something a random plagiarism generator made is the absolute worst experience you can have in programming so no one is doing it.
this is from a group of people who have apparently smart agents that can "just do things" for them without needing involvement, like keeping an app up to date. literally the value proposition of this application of LLMs - the boring stuff no one wants to do.
even if they did do that extremely well, why would you waste tokens on something you're done with? why do anything to a fragile codebase that does everything you need?
and finally, look at the duplication ("google" search is good for this). assuming earnest effort, it's "just" massive duplication and solo development that can't be collaborated on. assuming malicious intent, some of those projects must be credential stealers.
and the slop machine operators are proud of all of this.
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@ditsch42 @dilmandila Claude is also trained on all Adobe code as well. Remember that an LLM can "read" object code just as easily as source code.
Object code isn't so easy for humans to read, but that's really just an incidental side effect of making the code easy for CPUs to read. An LLM doesn't care either way.
@isaackuo @ditsch42 @dilmandila
So this will pit the "everything AI" side against the "you can use it but never own it/pay us for use forever" side. Hmmmmm. I think I like where this is going. -
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So this will pit the "everything AI" side against the "you can use it but never own it/pay us for use forever" side. Hmmmmm. I think I like where this is going.@Dealiah @ditsch42 @dilmandila Yeah, the "let them fight" aspect is fun to think about.
But still ... I feel like they've likely already got some sort of "Copyrights for me but not for thee" backroom deals worked out, designed to screw us over all around.
