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Keep these monstrosities off our roads 🙅‍♂️

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  • P passwordsarehard4@mastodon.social

    @wronglang @fj the 350 isn’t the top either. Shaq has a custom F650 and I see F550’s with flatbeds pulling gooseneck campers fairly often.

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    #145

    @passwordsarehard4 @fj oh God, I must've blanked that out of my brain, I think 350s are the biggest I regularly see but I know what you're talking about with the campers. Ugh.

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    • G geomaster337@mastodon.social

      @fj I love how the examples are among each brand’s smallest pickup trucks

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      #146

      @geomaster337 @fj

      In fairness, the F350 pictured is about as large as most people would get for personal use.

      The Ford Maverick is far smaller and has seen high demand. The hybrid version is remarkably efficient.

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      • uint8_t@chaos.socialU uint8_t@chaos.social

        @ghard @simon_brooke @CelloMomOnCars @fj EVs are somewhat heavier but not by much. our car has 78 kWh (nominal) NMC battery capacity and that’s like 360 kg. The electric drivetrain is lighter weight than an ICE would be with gearbox and clutch and cooling and all the other stuff. Tank and fuel also weighs some, so I’d expect a 100-200 kg mass penalty for being BEV instead of petrol (can’t compare this model directly, no ICE option)

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        #147

        @uint8_t @ghard @simon_brooke @fj

        So far, zero emission vehicles have just about zero tax in NL, at sale. I don't know about the road tax.

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        • fj@mastodon.socialF fj@mastodon.social

          Keep these monstrosities off our roads 🙅‍♂️

          "US carmakers have accused Brussels of keeping their largest pick-up trucks, including the Ford F-150, the Chevy Silverado and the Ram 1500, off European roads”

          https://www.ft.com/content/3eb796fd-bcdb-4a9f-89b7-f7d5e692a3cd

          https://www.carsized.com/en/cars/compare/renault-twingo-1998-3-door-hatchback-vs-ford-f-350-2016-4-door-pickup-crew-cab/

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          #148

          @fj I'm an American who lives in the woods. Usually this kind of truck's target market. I'd much rather have something like an aussie ute or toyota hilux.

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          • sanzky@masto.esS sanzky@masto.es

            @fj I sometimes see the Ford Ranger, which is a "small" pickup per US standards and it's already ridiculously large. I hope we never see those monstrosities here.

            But UVDL will UVDL and she might cave to them

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            #149

            @sanzky @fj As an American the ranger is tiny. There are bigger trucks than the F-150. But even compared to that it’s tiny.

            I’m NOT defending it. I want these monstrosities off our roads so I can see again and not feel like I’m going to be crushed by buildings.

            Hold strong.

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            • notecharlie@social.bigcavemaps.comN notecharlie@social.bigcavemaps.com

              @fj a fair comparison would be with the high-roof mercedes sprinter. Of course, the shortest sprinter van isn't even sold in the US, and is still some 30cm narrower than the F-SuperDuty.

              Though I still won't defend how absurdly large our cars are. I want something affordable the size of the old jeep cherokee or a golf estate, and it just doesn't exist on the new market.

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              #150

              @fj the truly crazy thing to me is that most of these massive vehicles have a negligible fuel economy penalty compared to smaller trucks. 15-20mpg (~12 L/100km) is pretty much universal across the board. My 1983 ford ranger gets that. A brand new F150 gets that. And when you start looking at compact SUVs and crossovers, it doesn't get much better. So there's no incentive to get a "less capable" vehicle, and won't be until gas is $8/gal.

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              • michaelporter@ottawa.placeM michaelporter@ottawa.place

                @ThreeSigma @richlv @fj @reloadedhead A little old, but still relevant: https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/24139147/suvs-trucks-popularity-federal-policy-pollution

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                #151

                @MichaelPorter @reloadedhead @richlv @fj
                I still feel that the 80s decision to classify SUVs as light vehicles was a big step down that slippery slope.

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                • fj@mastodon.socialF fj@mastodon.social

                  Keep these monstrosities off our roads 🙅‍♂️

                  "US carmakers have accused Brussels of keeping their largest pick-up trucks, including the Ford F-150, the Chevy Silverado and the Ram 1500, off European roads”

                  https://www.ft.com/content/3eb796fd-bcdb-4a9f-89b7-f7d5e692a3cd

                  https://www.carsized.com/en/cars/compare/renault-twingo-1998-3-door-hatchback-vs-ford-f-350-2016-4-door-pickup-crew-cab/

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                  #152

                  @fj American trucks are bloody massive but comparing it to a Twingo from 1998 is a little disingenuous.

                  The three trucks also mentioned (F-150, Silverado and 1500) are also much smaller than the F-350 you used too.

                  More realistic comparison, Dacia Sandero (apparently best selling car in EU) vs Silverado.

                  Still massive in comparison, but not the "wow it's gigantic" in comparison either.

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                  • michaelporter@ottawa.placeM michaelporter@ottawa.place

                    @ThreeSigma @richlv @fj @reloadedhead A little old, but still relevant: https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/24139147/suvs-trucks-popularity-federal-policy-pollution

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                    #153

                    @MichaelPorter @reloadedhead @richlv @fj (article paywalled)

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                    • fj@mastodon.socialF fj@mastodon.social

                      Keep these monstrosities off our roads 🙅‍♂️

                      "US carmakers have accused Brussels of keeping their largest pick-up trucks, including the Ford F-150, the Chevy Silverado and the Ram 1500, off European roads”

                      https://www.ft.com/content/3eb796fd-bcdb-4a9f-89b7-f7d5e692a3cd

                      https://www.carsized.com/en/cars/compare/renault-twingo-1998-3-door-hatchback-vs-ford-f-350-2016-4-door-pickup-crew-cab/

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                      #154

                      @fj Nice app. I always wanted to know how far Europe is copying USA.

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                      • threesigma@mastodon.onlineT threesigma@mastodon.online

                        @MichaelPorter @reloadedhead @richlv @fj (article paywalled)

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                        #155

                        @ThreeSigma @reloadedhead @richlv @fj Odd, I didn't have trouble reading it (not a subscriber). Do they have a monthly limit that you ran into, maybe?

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                        • mikaeleiman@mastodon.sdf.orgM mikaeleiman@mastodon.sdf.org

                          @disco3000 if only someone made a not-huge seven seat car… Sigh.

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                          #156

                          @mikaeleiman @disco3000

                          They made seven/eight seat yet still smallish "station wagons" sixty years ago and I still see plenty of that format driving around now. Who is supposedly stopping anyone building those now, exactly?

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                          • reloadedhead@mastodon.socialR reloadedhead@mastodon.social

                            @fj why not let people decide if they want such a large vehicle or not?

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                            #157

                            @reloadedhead @fj I agree. We don't want them.

                            So that's decided...

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                            • fj@mastodon.socialF fj@mastodon.social

                              Keep these monstrosities off our roads 🙅‍♂️

                              "US carmakers have accused Brussels of keeping their largest pick-up trucks, including the Ford F-150, the Chevy Silverado and the Ram 1500, off European roads”

                              https://www.ft.com/content/3eb796fd-bcdb-4a9f-89b7-f7d5e692a3cd

                              https://www.carsized.com/en/cars/compare/renault-twingo-1998-3-door-hatchback-vs-ford-f-350-2016-4-door-pickup-crew-cab/

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                              #158

                              @fj ban the fuck out of them. They're a plague.

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                              • P passwordsarehard4@mastodon.social

                                @starlily @mwyman @fj not enough. We got assholes spending $10k to get the emissions devices removed so they can “roll coal” on the libs. It’ll go to gas rations and they’ll find some way to bypass it.

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                                #159

                                @passwordsarehard4 @mwyman @fj The average drivers of these pavement princesses are not usually jerks with fuck you money. There's very few of those, really.

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                                • fj@mastodon.socialF fj@mastodon.social

                                  Keep these monstrosities off our roads 🙅‍♂️

                                  "US carmakers have accused Brussels of keeping their largest pick-up trucks, including the Ford F-150, the Chevy Silverado and the Ram 1500, off European roads”

                                  https://www.ft.com/content/3eb796fd-bcdb-4a9f-89b7-f7d5e692a3cd

                                  https://www.carsized.com/en/cars/compare/renault-twingo-1998-3-door-hatchback-vs-ford-f-350-2016-4-door-pickup-crew-cab/

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                                  #160

                                  @fj

                                  Now with humans!

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                                  • fj@mastodon.socialF fj@mastodon.social

                                    Keep these monstrosities off our roads 🙅‍♂️

                                    "US carmakers have accused Brussels of keeping their largest pick-up trucks, including the Ford F-150, the Chevy Silverado and the Ram 1500, off European roads”

                                    https://www.ft.com/content/3eb796fd-bcdb-4a9f-89b7-f7d5e692a3cd

                                    https://www.carsized.com/en/cars/compare/renault-twingo-1998-3-door-hatchback-vs-ford-f-350-2016-4-door-pickup-crew-cab/

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                                    #161

                                    @fj
                                    "What a big car you have!"
                                    "All the better to kill you with!"
                                    With apologies to little red riding hood

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                                    • fj@mastodon.socialF fj@mastodon.social

                                      Keep these monstrosities off our roads 🙅‍♂️

                                      "US carmakers have accused Brussels of keeping their largest pick-up trucks, including the Ford F-150, the Chevy Silverado and the Ram 1500, off European roads”

                                      https://www.ft.com/content/3eb796fd-bcdb-4a9f-89b7-f7d5e692a3cd

                                      https://www.carsized.com/en/cars/compare/renault-twingo-1998-3-door-hatchback-vs-ford-f-350-2016-4-door-pickup-crew-cab/

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                                      #162

                                      @fj And out of our car parks 👍

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                                      • reloadedhead@mastodon.socialR reloadedhead@mastodon.social

                                        @fj why not let people decide if they want such a large vehicle or not?

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                                        #163
                                        @reloadedhead @fj
                                        maybe because the ones most endangered are not the ones driving such vehicles?
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                                        • fj@mastodon.socialF fj@mastodon.social

                                          Keep these monstrosities off our roads 🙅‍♂️

                                          "US carmakers have accused Brussels of keeping their largest pick-up trucks, including the Ford F-150, the Chevy Silverado and the Ram 1500, off European roads”

                                          https://www.ft.com/content/3eb796fd-bcdb-4a9f-89b7-f7d5e692a3cd

                                          https://www.carsized.com/en/cars/compare/renault-twingo-1998-3-door-hatchback-vs-ford-f-350-2016-4-door-pickup-crew-cab/

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                                          #164

                                          @fj I wish we could keep them off of US roads too...

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