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  • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

    Dear Fedi friends,

    Apologies for another toot about #WSocial but I am genuinely shaking right now.

    The @EUCommission and its president Ursula von der Leyen have recently migrated their ATproto (Bluesky) accounts to W Social.

    I cannot fathom why they would pick a private enterprise whose leaders didn't even have ATproto accounts 3 months ago... and who are so open to having their users' data mined to train European AI models.

    My articles on them:

    🔗 : https://blog.elenarossini.com/tag/w-social/

    Wow. Just wow.

    fabiux@mastodon.opencloud.luF This user is from outside of this forum
    fabiux@mastodon.opencloud.luF This user is from outside of this forum
    fabiux@mastodon.opencloud.lu
    wrote sidst redigeret af
    #5

    @_elena @EUCommission Unfortunately, no wonder at all.
    🤦‍♂️

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    • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

      Dear Fedi friends,

      Apologies for another toot about #WSocial but I am genuinely shaking right now.

      The @EUCommission and its president Ursula von der Leyen have recently migrated their ATproto (Bluesky) accounts to W Social.

      I cannot fathom why they would pick a private enterprise whose leaders didn't even have ATproto accounts 3 months ago... and who are so open to having their users' data mined to train European AI models.

      My articles on them:

      🔗 : https://blog.elenarossini.com/tag/w-social/

      Wow. Just wow.

      shemjm@social.vivaldi.netS This user is from outside of this forum
      shemjm@social.vivaldi.netS This user is from outside of this forum
      shemjm@social.vivaldi.net
      wrote sidst redigeret af
      #6

      @_elena @EUCommission the website in the screenshot looks awful 😱

      hbons@mastodon.socialH 1 Reply Last reply
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      • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

        Dear Fedi friends,

        Apologies for another toot about #WSocial but I am genuinely shaking right now.

        The @EUCommission and its president Ursula von der Leyen have recently migrated their ATproto (Bluesky) accounts to W Social.

        I cannot fathom why they would pick a private enterprise whose leaders didn't even have ATproto accounts 3 months ago... and who are so open to having their users' data mined to train European AI models.

        My articles on them:

        🔗 : https://blog.elenarossini.com/tag/w-social/

        Wow. Just wow.

        passenger@kolektiva.socialP This user is from outside of this forum
        passenger@kolektiva.socialP This user is from outside of this forum
        passenger@kolektiva.social
        wrote sidst redigeret af
        #7

        @_elena @EUCommission

        I remember when W was announced, the things they emphasised were:

        A) "Now Europeans can be the information gatekeepers too!"

        B) "Now Europeans can harvest data too!"

        It's as if they looked at facebook and twitter and focused on the very worst aspects of them as what they wanted to reproduce, rather than on the basic humans-talking-to-humans aspect.

        _elena@mastodon.social_ nini@oldbytes.spaceN 2 Replies Last reply
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        • shemjm@social.vivaldi.netS shemjm@social.vivaldi.net

          @_elena @EUCommission the website in the screenshot looks awful 😱

          hbons@mastodon.socialH This user is from outside of this forum
          hbons@mastodon.socialH This user is from outside of this forum
          hbons@mastodon.social
          wrote sidst redigeret af
          #8

          @shemjm @_elena @EUCommission indeed, looks vibe coded.

          gina@fosstodon.orgG 1 Reply Last reply
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          • passenger@kolektiva.socialP passenger@kolektiva.social

            @_elena @EUCommission

            I remember when W was announced, the things they emphasised were:

            A) "Now Europeans can be the information gatekeepers too!"

            B) "Now Europeans can harvest data too!"

            It's as if they looked at facebook and twitter and focused on the very worst aspects of them as what they wanted to reproduce, rather than on the basic humans-talking-to-humans aspect.

            _elena@mastodon.social_ This user is from outside of this forum
            _elena@mastodon.social_ This user is from outside of this forum
            _elena@mastodon.social
            wrote sidst redigeret af
            #9

            @passenger indeed! I've seen dozens of presentations they've given and they want to build a European Everything App, WeChat style. Microblogging, identity, payments... with no previous background in this space, just a desire to build alternatives, hosted in Europe, of INCREDIBLY PROBLEMATIC and toxic Big Tech apps. Digital sovereignty goes beyond having servers hosted in Europe.

            @EUCommission

            passenger@kolektiva.socialP 1 Reply Last reply
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            • razemix@mamutovo.czR razemix@mamutovo.cz

              @_elena @EUCommission Jfc, they managed to get their own Mastodon server. Why not their own PDS? 🤦‍♂️️ It's not that hard.

              _elena@mastodon.social_ This user is from outside of this forum
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              _elena@mastodon.social
              wrote sidst redigeret af
              #10

              @Razemix well, ATproto is not like the Fediverse, to be truly independent and sovereign you need to host your own PDS, relay, firehose and moderation (amongst other things). It takes money, resources and expertise. I'm surprised they didn't move to Eurosky TBH

              razemix@mamutovo.czR liaizon@social.wake.stL irelephant@app.wafrn.netI 3 Replies Last reply
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              • hbons@mastodon.socialH hbons@mastodon.social

                @shemjm @_elena @EUCommission indeed, looks vibe coded.

                gina@fosstodon.orgG This user is from outside of this forum
                gina@fosstodon.orgG This user is from outside of this forum
                gina@fosstodon.org
                wrote sidst redigeret af
                #11

                @hbons @shemjm @_elena @EUCommission I was just about to say, why does it look like the intern just discovered html?

                liaizon@social.wake.stL 1 Reply Last reply
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                • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

                  @Razemix well, ATproto is not like the Fediverse, to be truly independent and sovereign you need to host your own PDS, relay, firehose and moderation (amongst other things). It takes money, resources and expertise. I'm surprised they didn't move to Eurosky TBH

                  razemix@mamutovo.czR This user is from outside of this forum
                  razemix@mamutovo.czR This user is from outside of this forum
                  razemix@mamutovo.cz
                  wrote sidst redigeret af
                  #12

                  @_elena Yeah, I know, creating a whole separate stack would be an overkill. They could definitely leverage Eurosky in this regard. What I'm saying is that at least having their own PDS (to have control over their data) should be an absolute no-brainer.

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                  • razemix@mamutovo.czR razemix@mamutovo.cz

                    @_elena Yeah, I know, creating a whole separate stack would be an overkill. They could definitely leverage Eurosky in this regard. What I'm saying is that at least having their own PDS (to have control over their data) should be an absolute no-brainer.

                    _elena@mastodon.social_ This user is from outside of this forum
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                    _elena@mastodon.social
                    wrote sidst redigeret af
                    #13

                    @Razemix oh I absolutely agree with you. My jaw is still on the floor...

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                    • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

                      Dear Fedi friends,

                      Apologies for another toot about #WSocial but I am genuinely shaking right now.

                      The @EUCommission and its president Ursula von der Leyen have recently migrated their ATproto (Bluesky) accounts to W Social.

                      I cannot fathom why they would pick a private enterprise whose leaders didn't even have ATproto accounts 3 months ago... and who are so open to having their users' data mined to train European AI models.

                      My articles on them:

                      🔗 : https://blog.elenarossini.com/tag/w-social/

                      Wow. Just wow.

                      bortzmeyer@mastodon.gougere.frB This user is from outside of this forum
                      bortzmeyer@mastodon.gougere.frB This user is from outside of this forum
                      bortzmeyer@mastodon.gougere.fr
                      wrote sidst redigeret af
                      #14

                      @_elena @EUCommission On the ATmosphere, I have a Eurosky account. It may be better, but they just launched a new ATproto Web interface which requires age declaration...

                      phl@mastodon.socialP 1 Reply Last reply
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                      • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

                        Dear Fedi friends,

                        Apologies for another toot about #WSocial but I am genuinely shaking right now.

                        The @EUCommission and its president Ursula von der Leyen have recently migrated their ATproto (Bluesky) accounts to W Social.

                        I cannot fathom why they would pick a private enterprise whose leaders didn't even have ATproto accounts 3 months ago... and who are so open to having their users' data mined to train European AI models.

                        My articles on them:

                        🔗 : https://blog.elenarossini.com/tag/w-social/

                        Wow. Just wow.

                        bbbhltz@framapiaf.orgB This user is from outside of this forum
                        bbbhltz@framapiaf.orgB This user is from outside of this forum
                        bbbhltz@framapiaf.org
                        wrote sidst redigeret af
                        #15

                        @_elena don't apologize
                        @EUCommission should explain their choice

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                        • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

                          @Razemix well, ATproto is not like the Fediverse, to be truly independent and sovereign you need to host your own PDS, relay, firehose and moderation (amongst other things). It takes money, resources and expertise. I'm surprised they didn't move to Eurosky TBH

                          liaizon@social.wake.stL This user is from outside of this forum
                          liaizon@social.wake.stL This user is from outside of this forum
                          liaizon@social.wake.st
                          wrote sidst redigeret af
                          #16

                          @_elena @Razemix but W is just a PDS rn, which is very simple to set up I'm following many kids who are running their own.

                          aslakr@mastodon.socialA 1 Reply Last reply
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                          • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

                            Dear Fedi friends,

                            Apologies for another toot about #WSocial but I am genuinely shaking right now.

                            The @EUCommission and its president Ursula von der Leyen have recently migrated their ATproto (Bluesky) accounts to W Social.

                            I cannot fathom why they would pick a private enterprise whose leaders didn't even have ATproto accounts 3 months ago... and who are so open to having their users' data mined to train European AI models.

                            My articles on them:

                            🔗 : https://blog.elenarossini.com/tag/w-social/

                            Wow. Just wow.

                            _elena@mastodon.social_ This user is from outside of this forum
                            _elena@mastodon.social_ This user is from outside of this forum
                            _elena@mastodon.social
                            wrote sidst redigeret af
                            #17

                            For context, my two articles on #WSocial didn't include some explosive things I found out in my research because:
                            - I was given some information on background, confidentially
                            - I found a particular thread to be a bit distracting (aka the MEGA hats sold on a website with far right paraphernalia)

                            Plus there are so many white lies... a pattern of misrepresentation that makes it really hard for me to trust them.

                            Do I have to write a THIRD article about W now? 🫠

                            patpro@social.patpro.netP ivan@masto.brucknerite.netI nelepoldvere@fediscience.orgN michelin@hachyderm.ioM jsalvador@mastodon.socialJ 11 Replies Last reply
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                            • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

                              Dear Fedi friends,

                              Apologies for another toot about #WSocial but I am genuinely shaking right now.

                              The @EUCommission and its president Ursula von der Leyen have recently migrated their ATproto (Bluesky) accounts to W Social.

                              I cannot fathom why they would pick a private enterprise whose leaders didn't even have ATproto accounts 3 months ago... and who are so open to having their users' data mined to train European AI models.

                              My articles on them:

                              🔗 : https://blog.elenarossini.com/tag/w-social/

                              Wow. Just wow.

                              dunklecat@mastodon.dunklecat.devD This user is from outside of this forum
                              dunklecat@mastodon.dunklecat.devD This user is from outside of this forum
                              dunklecat@mastodon.dunklecat.dev
                              wrote sidst redigeret af
                              #18

                              @_elena @EUCommission Thank you for your amazing work

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                              • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

                                Dear Fedi friends,

                                Apologies for another toot about #WSocial but I am genuinely shaking right now.

                                The @EUCommission and its president Ursula von der Leyen have recently migrated their ATproto (Bluesky) accounts to W Social.

                                I cannot fathom why they would pick a private enterprise whose leaders didn't even have ATproto accounts 3 months ago... and who are so open to having their users' data mined to train European AI models.

                                My articles on them:

                                🔗 : https://blog.elenarossini.com/tag/w-social/

                                Wow. Just wow.

                                bovaz@misskey.socialB This user is from outside of this forum
                                bovaz@misskey.socialB This user is from outside of this forum
                                bovaz@misskey.social
                                wrote sidst redigeret af
                                #19
                                @_elena@mastodon.social @EUCommission@ec.social-network.europa.eu I really try to be hopeful, but time and time again they show themselves to be absolute ghouls.
                                leanderlindahl@social.folkdata.seL 1 Reply Last reply
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                                • gina@fosstodon.orgG gina@fosstodon.org

                                  @hbons @shemjm @_elena @EUCommission I was just about to say, why does it look like the intern just discovered html?

                                  liaizon@social.wake.stL This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  liaizon@social.wake.st
                                  wrote sidst redigeret af
                                  #20

                                  @Gina @hbons @shemjm @_elena @EUCommission that's clearsky.app which is just a random tool someone made early on that can show some info about peoples Bluesky accounts

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                                  • liaizon@social.wake.stL liaizon@social.wake.st

                                    @Gina @hbons @shemjm @_elena @EUCommission that's clearsky.app which is just a random tool someone made early on that can show some info about peoples Bluesky accounts

                                    _elena@mastodon.social_ This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    _elena@mastodon.social
                                    wrote sidst redigeret af
                                    #21

                                    @liaizon yes, Clearsky may not be the best designed website, but it's SO USEFUL!

                                    @Gina @hbons @shemjm @EUCommission

                                    gina@fosstodon.orgG shemjm@social.vivaldi.netS 2 Replies Last reply
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                                    • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

                                      For context, my two articles on #WSocial didn't include some explosive things I found out in my research because:
                                      - I was given some information on background, confidentially
                                      - I found a particular thread to be a bit distracting (aka the MEGA hats sold on a website with far right paraphernalia)

                                      Plus there are so many white lies... a pattern of misrepresentation that makes it really hard for me to trust them.

                                      Do I have to write a THIRD article about W now? 🫠

                                      patpro@social.patpro.netP This user is from outside of this forum
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                                      patpro@social.patpro.net
                                      wrote sidst redigeret af
                                      #22

                                      @_elena «MEGA hats» or «MAGA hats»?

                                      _elena@mastodon.social_ 1 Reply Last reply
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                                      • patpro@social.patpro.netP patpro@social.patpro.net

                                        @_elena «MEGA hats» or «MAGA hats»?

                                        _elena@mastodon.social_ This user is from outside of this forum
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                                        _elena@mastodon.social
                                        wrote sidst redigeret af
                                        #23

                                        @patpro Make Europe Great Again = MEGA

                                        But they also have ironic red MAGA hats that say "Make science great again)

                                        ainmosni@social.ainmosni.euA patpro@social.patpro.netP 2 Replies Last reply
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                                        • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

                                          @patpro Make Europe Great Again = MEGA

                                          But they also have ironic red MAGA hats that say "Make science great again)

                                          ainmosni@social.ainmosni.euA This user is from outside of this forum
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                                          ainmosni@social.ainmosni.eu
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                                          #24

                                          @_elena @patpro God that's bad, what's next? "Europa macht Frei"? Let's not use cutesy varieties of fascist slogans.

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