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Imagine something that in 2020 didn't really exist but has so exploded onto our environment that in 2030 it will demand the water of 1.3 billion people and the electricity of 2 billion.

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  • casdeiro@15-15-15.socialC casdeiro@15-15-15.social

    @gerrymcgovern Wow! United Nations! 👏🏻 But in the end they had to water it down... 😠 "Despite the stark findings, UNU researchers stress that the report is not an argument against AI itself. Rather, it calls for urgent action to ensure that the technology develops within planetary limits."

    It's so difficult to go against the Religion of Perpetual Progress a.k.a. the Growth Death Cult, ain't it, pal?

    #FuckAI #Degrowth

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    #3

    @casdeiro Of course, of course. Every large organization in the world is a member of the Growth Death Cult. AI is curing cancer, after all.

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    • gerrymcgovern@mastodon.greenG gerrymcgovern@mastodon.green

      @casdeiro Of course, of course. Every large organization in the world is a member of the Growth Death Cult. AI is curing cancer, after all.

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      #4

      @gerrymcgovern The One Big Cancer is Capitalism. That's why I call it Cancerism.

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      • gerrymcgovern@mastodon.greenG gerrymcgovern@mastodon.green

        Imagine something that in 2020 didn't really exist but has so exploded onto our environment that in 2030 it will demand the water of 1.3 billion people and the electricity of 2 billion.

        In a time when we have a global historic severe drought and when our civilization is about to collapse due to over-consumption of energy.

        This is AI.

        This is Big Tech

        These are the tech bros. Here to burn it all down for greed and ambition.

        https://news.un.org/en/story/2026/06/1167658

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        #5

        @gerrymcgovern

        re: the photo

        Wow. Look at that security. Just a wimpy chain link fence to protect it. It'd be super easy for a mob of angry citizens to storm that place and destroy it. Bet there's a lot of valuable equipment in there. Only an observation. Just sayin. Y'know.

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        • ralfmaximus@mastodon.socialR ralfmaximus@mastodon.social

          @gerrymcgovern

          re: the photo

          Wow. Look at that security. Just a wimpy chain link fence to protect it. It'd be super easy for a mob of angry citizens to storm that place and destroy it. Bet there's a lot of valuable equipment in there. Only an observation. Just sayin. Y'know.

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          #6

          @ralfmaximus @gerrymcgovern Sure, for a direct assult. But I feel people often forget just how much these things depend on external resources.

          There's power and data access somewhere. Given the location, the cables probably have to run far from the building before connecting to anything...

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          • gerrymcgovern@mastodon.greenG gerrymcgovern@mastodon.green

            Imagine something that in 2020 didn't really exist but has so exploded onto our environment that in 2030 it will demand the water of 1.3 billion people and the electricity of 2 billion.

            In a time when we have a global historic severe drought and when our civilization is about to collapse due to over-consumption of energy.

            This is AI.

            This is Big Tech

            These are the tech bros. Here to burn it all down for greed and ambition.

            https://news.un.org/en/story/2026/06/1167658

            acid@ohai.socialA This user is from outside of this forum
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            #7

            @gerrymcgovern the bad news is that it’s already collapsing. The good news is that it’s not happening as fast as you would think in the beginning.

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            • gerrymcgovern@mastodon.greenG gerrymcgovern@mastodon.green

              Imagine something that in 2020 didn't really exist but has so exploded onto our environment that in 2030 it will demand the water of 1.3 billion people and the electricity of 2 billion.

              In a time when we have a global historic severe drought and when our civilization is about to collapse due to over-consumption of energy.

              This is AI.

              This is Big Tech

              These are the tech bros. Here to burn it all down for greed and ambition.

              https://news.un.org/en/story/2026/06/1167658

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              #8

              @gerrymcgovern Interestingly I read an article in an Austrian newspaper about this topic - and the expert that was interviewed had the view, that one cannot damn AI alltogether because AI "improves the life of billions of people". Which made me wonder: what kind of improvements could this be? Ideas?
              https://www.derstandard.at/story/3000000323330/ki-rechenzentren-duerften-2030-einen-wasserverbrauch-wie-13-milliarden-menschen-haben

              myricagale@mastodon.scotM gerrymcgovern@mastodon.greenG ghostonthehalfshell@masto.aiG 3 Replies Last reply
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              • gerrymcgovern@mastodon.greenG gerrymcgovern@mastodon.green

                Imagine something that in 2020 didn't really exist but has so exploded onto our environment that in 2030 it will demand the water of 1.3 billion people and the electricity of 2 billion.

                In a time when we have a global historic severe drought and when our civilization is about to collapse due to over-consumption of energy.

                This is AI.

                This is Big Tech

                These are the tech bros. Here to burn it all down for greed and ambition.

                https://news.un.org/en/story/2026/06/1167658

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                #9

                @gerrymcgovern makes me think of this:

                Double it again, keep on doubling…

                https://youtu.be/WSLTsKV2U-4?si=ja_D6QZ1iaAlCdHu

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                • stephan324ppm@mastodon.no2nd.earthS stephan324ppm@mastodon.no2nd.earth

                  @gerrymcgovern Interestingly I read an article in an Austrian newspaper about this topic - and the expert that was interviewed had the view, that one cannot damn AI alltogether because AI "improves the life of billions of people". Which made me wonder: what kind of improvements could this be? Ideas?
                  https://www.derstandard.at/story/3000000323330/ki-rechenzentren-duerften-2030-einen-wasserverbrauch-wie-13-milliarden-menschen-haben

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                  #10

                  @stephan324ppm @gerrymcgovern Maybe he was misquoted and it was actually "billionaires and some other people" 😉

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                  • stephan324ppm@mastodon.no2nd.earthS stephan324ppm@mastodon.no2nd.earth

                    @gerrymcgovern Interestingly I read an article in an Austrian newspaper about this topic - and the expert that was interviewed had the view, that one cannot damn AI alltogether because AI "improves the life of billions of people". Which made me wonder: what kind of improvements could this be? Ideas?
                    https://www.derstandard.at/story/3000000323330/ki-rechenzentren-duerften-2030-einen-wasserverbrauch-wie-13-milliarden-menschen-haben

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                    #11

                    @stephan324ppm
                    "improves the life of billions of people".

                    Yeah, the UN report made that sort of evidence free tech optimistic statement as well. When it's more likely to be the very opposite.

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                    • myricagale@mastodon.scotM myricagale@mastodon.scot

                      @stephan324ppm @gerrymcgovern Maybe he was misquoted and it was actually "billionaires and some other people" 😉

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                      #12

                      @MyricaGale @gerrymcgovern Yes, definitely! 🙃

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                      • gerrymcgovern@mastodon.greenG gerrymcgovern@mastodon.green

                        @stephan324ppm
                        "improves the life of billions of people".

                        Yeah, the UN report made that sort of evidence free tech optimistic statement as well. When it's more likely to be the very opposite.

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                        #13

                        @gerrymcgovern I mean it‘s possible we get some improvements in medical diagnostics for instance - but I guess it’s a long way until billions of people benefit from this.

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                        • stephan324ppm@mastodon.no2nd.earthS stephan324ppm@mastodon.no2nd.earth

                          @gerrymcgovern Interestingly I read an article in an Austrian newspaper about this topic - and the expert that was interviewed had the view, that one cannot damn AI alltogether because AI "improves the life of billions of people". Which made me wonder: what kind of improvements could this be? Ideas?
                          https://www.derstandard.at/story/3000000323330/ki-rechenzentren-duerften-2030-einen-wasserverbrauch-wie-13-milliarden-menschen-haben

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                          #14

                          @stephan324ppm @gerrymcgovern

                          That expert should’ve been fact checked.

                          Billions of people? Get real.

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                          • gerrymcgovern@mastodon.greenG gerrymcgovern@mastodon.green

                            Imagine something that in 2020 didn't really exist but has so exploded onto our environment that in 2030 it will demand the water of 1.3 billion people and the electricity of 2 billion.

                            In a time when we have a global historic severe drought and when our civilization is about to collapse due to over-consumption of energy.

                            This is AI.

                            This is Big Tech

                            These are the tech bros. Here to burn it all down for greed and ambition.

                            https://news.un.org/en/story/2026/06/1167658

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                            #15

                            @gerrymcgovern @patrickhadfield ironically, the Chinese are working hard to reverse engineer and distill all the frontier models into open weight models that everyone can run *locally* on high powered laptops, no data centers needed aside from initial distillation. It’s a weird thing to cheer for but I am.

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                            • stephan324ppm@mastodon.no2nd.earthS stephan324ppm@mastodon.no2nd.earth

                              @gerrymcgovern I mean it‘s possible we get some improvements in medical diagnostics for instance - but I guess it’s a long way until billions of people benefit from this.

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                              @stephan324ppm @gerrymcgovern it’s also made vapid, content free LinkedIn posts much easier to write, so really no one is losing here.

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                              • gerrymcgovern@mastodon.greenG gerrymcgovern@mastodon.green

                                Imagine something that in 2020 didn't really exist but has so exploded onto our environment that in 2030 it will demand the water of 1.3 billion people and the electricity of 2 billion.

                                In a time when we have a global historic severe drought and when our civilization is about to collapse due to over-consumption of energy.

                                This is AI.

                                This is Big Tech

                                These are the tech bros. Here to burn it all down for greed and ambition.

                                https://news.un.org/en/story/2026/06/1167658

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                                #17

                                @gerrymcgovern

                                „Rather, it calls for urgent action to ensure that the technology develops within planetary limits.“

                                And how is this feasible?

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                                • kumarvibe@mastodon.socialK kumarvibe@mastodon.social

                                  @gerrymcgovern @patrickhadfield ironically, the Chinese are working hard to reverse engineer and distill all the frontier models into open weight models that everyone can run *locally* on high powered laptops, no data centers needed aside from initial distillation. It’s a weird thing to cheer for but I am.

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                                  #18

                                  @kumarvibe @gerrymcgovern @patrickhadfield
                                  Don't fully understand this toot, but find it encouraging nonetheless. (Is this a sign of personal cognitive decline in my late sixties, out of interest?) #hellishdatacentres

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                                  • gerrymcgovern@mastodon.greenG gerrymcgovern@mastodon.green

                                    Imagine something that in 2020 didn't really exist but has so exploded onto our environment that in 2030 it will demand the water of 1.3 billion people and the electricity of 2 billion.

                                    In a time when we have a global historic severe drought and when our civilization is about to collapse due to over-consumption of energy.

                                    This is AI.

                                    This is Big Tech

                                    These are the tech bros. Here to burn it all down for greed and ambition.

                                    https://news.un.org/en/story/2026/06/1167658

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                                    #19

                                    @gerrymcgovern we are Easter Island

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                                    • gerrymcgovern@mastodon.greenG gerrymcgovern@mastodon.green

                                      Imagine something that in 2020 didn't really exist but has so exploded onto our environment that in 2030 it will demand the water of 1.3 billion people and the electricity of 2 billion.

                                      In a time when we have a global historic severe drought and when our civilization is about to collapse due to over-consumption of energy.

                                      This is AI.

                                      This is Big Tech

                                      These are the tech bros. Here to burn it all down for greed and ambition.

                                      https://news.un.org/en/story/2026/06/1167658

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                                      #20

                                      @gerrymcgovern Humanity is no longer the apex predator, supreme in its domination. Big Tech is. And why more aren't conscious that makes us part of the AI's food chain is beyond me.

                                      #NoAI

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                                      • mamalake@beige.partyM mamalake@beige.party

                                        @gerrymcgovern we are Easter Island

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                                        #21

                                        @MamaLake It's the elites who are driving this but we are too passive, we must resist much more.

                                        And from what I've read recently about Easter Island, the Indigenous people there managed their resources much better than what was thought. It was later invasions by imperialists that did the real damage.

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                                        • stephan324ppm@mastodon.no2nd.earthS stephan324ppm@mastodon.no2nd.earth

                                          @gerrymcgovern I mean it‘s possible we get some improvements in medical diagnostics for instance - but I guess it’s a long way until billions of people benefit from this.

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                                          #22

                                          @stephan324ppm @gerrymcgovern As soon as genAI without any doubt improves either democracy or the environment or knowledge equity I will start doubting my own total genAI abstinence. Of course, if that happens, it will become clear that especially in the mid and long term you cannot foster one without the other two.

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