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Because a LOT of people are missing the point:

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  • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

    Because a LOT of people are missing the point:

    No, Elon Musk is NOT serious about putting a million data centres into orbit. It can't work: laws of physics say "nope".

    But SpaceX is expected to go public this year.

    Elon is talking up his company's future prospects in front of gullible investors because he needs a growth narrative beyond Starlink, which is already priced in. Something to justify the Starship proram beyond NASA's lunar ambitions.

    So it's salesman's bullshit, lies for fools.

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    #53

    @cstross I remember when he claimed his rocket would be on Mars by 2025 and everyone who doesn't know about Space believed him because he's nothing more than a huckster, selling Science Fiction as fact and Journalism not bothering to look beyond the hype.

    This man, who was SO keen to visit the Paedo Island....

    #ElonMusk #Space #SpaceX #Hustlers #Grifters #ClanOfPaedophiles

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    • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

      Because a LOT of people are missing the point:

      No, Elon Musk is NOT serious about putting a million data centres into orbit. It can't work: laws of physics say "nope".

      But SpaceX is expected to go public this year.

      Elon is talking up his company's future prospects in front of gullible investors because he needs a growth narrative beyond Starlink, which is already priced in. Something to justify the Starship proram beyond NASA's lunar ambitions.

      So it's salesman's bullshit, lies for fools.

      bellegraylane@universeodon.comB This user is from outside of this forum
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      #54

      @cstross yup. Tesla is dead, X is basically dead. He needs to create more hype, so here comes the physics breaking con to take more investors money.

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      • elasticsoul@mastodon.socialE elasticsoul@mastodon.social

        @NMBA @cstross

        Tell me he did not say this. It's like Elon's playing a game to see what he can get away with. Like a child might when testing boundaries. Oh wait, narcissists actually have the emotional maturity of a child...

        "SpaceX will start launching Starships to Mars in 2026, Elon Musk says"

        #narcissism #musk #spacex

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        #55

        @elasticsoul @NMBA @cstross actually he said it was 2025. He's late....

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        • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

          Because a LOT of people are missing the point:

          No, Elon Musk is NOT serious about putting a million data centres into orbit. It can't work: laws of physics say "nope".

          But SpaceX is expected to go public this year.

          Elon is talking up his company's future prospects in front of gullible investors because he needs a growth narrative beyond Starlink, which is already priced in. Something to justify the Starship proram beyond NASA's lunar ambitions.

          So it's salesman's bullshit, lies for fools.

          scaletheory@mastodon.socialS This user is from outside of this forum
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          #56

          @cstross

          "laws of physics say "nope""
          But there is a way, figured it out. If "elon" wants the secret then it will cost him the trillion the "board of directors" (doge) .. paid him. 300,000,000 would get a tax refund of $3,333.33

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          • kthy@helvede.netK kthy@helvede.net

            @clintruin @mkoek @cstross here's one of my favourite Wikipedia pages: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_predictions_for_autonomous_Tesla_vehicles_by_Elon_Musk

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            #57

            @kthy @clintruin @cstross but what does Grokipedia have to say on the subject? Not going to check, but I strongly suspect not much. 🙂

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            • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

              Because a LOT of people are missing the point:

              No, Elon Musk is NOT serious about putting a million data centres into orbit. It can't work: laws of physics say "nope".

              But SpaceX is expected to go public this year.

              Elon is talking up his company's future prospects in front of gullible investors because he needs a growth narrative beyond Starlink, which is already priced in. Something to justify the Starship proram beyond NASA's lunar ambitions.

              So it's salesman's bullshit, lies for fools.

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              #58

              @cstross I'd be interested in finding out if Scott Manley got anything wrong here.

              His take, as I understand it, is basically (1) the physics makes it complicated but not non-doable, and (2) can't be profitable now but may well be so within the foreseeable future -- making it likely that whoever gets there first, even before it's profitable, stands to make the usual absurd amounts of money (especially if orbital access is never properly regulated) once it does become cheap enough for it to be profitable.

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              • lucien@toot.communityL lucien@toot.community

                @cstross Starlink might be the only thing one of his companies got right. I've been using one for a while now and it's a game changer when living somewhere remote. I wish we had a suitable EU competitor and not have to contribute to this man's lunacy...

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                #59

                @lucien @cstross Nope its still BS. It would have been cheaper to put all that money into running more fiber. Especially the last mile in rural areas. But that is not as sexy as Starlink.

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                • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

                  Because a LOT of people are missing the point:

                  No, Elon Musk is NOT serious about putting a million data centres into orbit. It can't work: laws of physics say "nope".

                  But SpaceX is expected to go public this year.

                  Elon is talking up his company's future prospects in front of gullible investors because he needs a growth narrative beyond Starlink, which is already priced in. Something to justify the Starship proram beyond NASA's lunar ambitions.

                  So it's salesman's bullshit, lies for fools.

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                  #60

                  @cstross Elon Musk wants datacenters in space because he read Neuromancer once in high school and didn't understand any of it.

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                  • bellegraylane@universeodon.comB bellegraylane@universeodon.com

                    @cstross yup. Tesla is dead, X is basically dead. He needs to create more hype, so here comes the physics breaking con to take more investors money.

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                    #61

                    @bellegraylane @cstross
                    Musk merged Xitter with xAI to justify its high valuation to investors as an AI company now.
                    The same crap with Tesla being rebranded an AI robotaxi and humanoid robot company.

                    So makes sense to pull the same trick with SpaceX to gullible investors. That it's really an AI company so that SpaceX can afford to bail out Tesla when it buys all those unsold Cybertrucks.

                    Won't be surprised when Neuralink is touted as an AI company next

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                    • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

                      Because a LOT of people are missing the point:

                      No, Elon Musk is NOT serious about putting a million data centres into orbit. It can't work: laws of physics say "nope".

                      But SpaceX is expected to go public this year.

                      Elon is talking up his company's future prospects in front of gullible investors because he needs a growth narrative beyond Starlink, which is already priced in. Something to justify the Starship proram beyond NASA's lunar ambitions.

                      So it's salesman's bullshit, lies for fools.

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                      #62

                      @cstross
                      I've been thinking about that. I ran across this today, and thought Musk might be able to work it in to his pitch:

                      http://www.weidai.com/black-holes.txt

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                      • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

                        Because a LOT of people are missing the point:

                        No, Elon Musk is NOT serious about putting a million data centres into orbit. It can't work: laws of physics say "nope".

                        But SpaceX is expected to go public this year.

                        Elon is talking up his company's future prospects in front of gullible investors because he needs a growth narrative beyond Starlink, which is already priced in. Something to justify the Starship proram beyond NASA's lunar ambitions.

                        So it's salesman's bullshit, lies for fools.

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                        #63

                        @cstross when his other shit starts to break up it's going to be a pretty busy game of billiards

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                        • fazalmajid@social.vivaldi.netF fazalmajid@social.vivaldi.net

                          @cstross won't Kessler Syndrome make space launch dead as a business long before that?

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                          #64

                          @fazalmajid No, because the density of particles in orbit falls off as the inverse cube of their altitude—the volume of space around Earth is vast, and the probability of an impact is a function of the particle density at any given altitude and how long your payload spends there on the way up. Starship could plausibly deliver comsat constellations to altitudes much higher than the overcrowded 200km orbits Starlink is crammed into, where impact probability is far lower.

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                          • oldgeek@masto.yttrx.comO oldgeek@masto.yttrx.com

                            @lucien @cstross Nope its still BS. It would have been cheaper to put all that money into running more fiber. Especially the last mile in rural areas. But that is not as sexy as Starlink.

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                            #65

                            @oldgeek @lucien @cstross
                            At 1:14:17 in the latest rant by @TechConnectify
                            https://youtu.be/KtQ9nt2ZeGM?t=1h14m17s

                            Imagine if government never built power lines to rural areas. They'd probably be singing praises to orbiting space lasers beaming them energy at huge expense or the delivery robot drones dropping off daily fuel shipments for their generators.

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                            • lucien@toot.communityL lucien@toot.community

                              @cstross Starlink might be the only thing one of his companies got right. I've been using one for a while now and it's a game changer when living somewhere remote. I wish we had a suitable EU competitor and not have to contribute to this man's lunacy...

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                              #66

                              @lucien @cstross If you ignore all the externalities and more practical and durable access options, sure.

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                              • dgold@goblin.technologyD dgold@goblin.technology

                                @cstross isn't Starship becoming less and less useful as they keep 'iterating' it's development?

                                That giant cargo capacity keeps on dropping.

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                                #67

                                @dgold Starship's first stage works fine (and has even re-flown), engines work fine (ditto). The problem is the upper stage design and the push for full reusability. If they throw away the stupid heat shield and make it a one-shot they could settle for a cheap disposable upper stage with monstrous payload capacity, and they could build it *right now*.

                                Once they had a 200 tonne payload HLV flying reliably, resuming incremental progress towards reusability would be uncontroversial.

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                                • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

                                  Because a LOT of people are missing the point:

                                  No, Elon Musk is NOT serious about putting a million data centres into orbit. It can't work: laws of physics say "nope".

                                  But SpaceX is expected to go public this year.

                                  Elon is talking up his company's future prospects in front of gullible investors because he needs a growth narrative beyond Starlink, which is already priced in. Something to justify the Starship proram beyond NASA's lunar ambitions.

                                  So it's salesman's bullshit, lies for fools.

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                                  #68

                                  @cstross Elon keeps talking the dumbest shit every time he opens his mouth and everyone just starts throwing money at him without any thinking. Like, anyone remembers stupid Hyperloop? I kept saying that shit cannot ever work from day one and every time I was told he's the genius and I'm the idiot. Well, where's the fucking Hyperloop in every city?

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                                  • oldgeek@masto.yttrx.comO oldgeek@masto.yttrx.com

                                    @lucien @cstross Nope its still BS. It would have been cheaper to put all that money into running more fiber. Especially the last mile in rural areas. But that is not as sexy as Starlink.

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                                    #69

                                    @oldgeek @lucien Tell me again how running more fibre is going to help internet bandwidth aboard ships at sea or airliners in the sky? (Please do, I'll wait.)

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                                    • bornach@masto.aiB bornach@masto.ai

                                      @bellegraylane @cstross
                                      Musk merged Xitter with xAI to justify its high valuation to investors as an AI company now.
                                      The same crap with Tesla being rebranded an AI robotaxi and humanoid robot company.

                                      So makes sense to pull the same trick with SpaceX to gullible investors. That it's really an AI company so that SpaceX can afford to bail out Tesla when it buys all those unsold Cybertrucks.

                                      Won't be surprised when Neuralink is touted as an AI company next

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                                      #70

                                      @bornach @bellegraylane @cstross just waiting for The Boring Company to pivot to AI…

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                                        #71

                                        @bitterkarella @cstross @tony @polypunk

                                        This email exchange particularly but there are at least 2 others I've seen (one of which looked like he actually made it to the island)

                                        https://masto.nyc/@gbargoud/115995538588284957

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                                        • gbargoud@masto.nycG gbargoud@masto.nyc

                                          @bitterkarella @cstross @tony @polypunk

                                          This email exchange particularly but there are at least 2 others I've seen (one of which looked like he actually made it to the island)

                                          https://masto.nyc/@gbargoud/115995538588284957

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                                          #72

                                          @gbargoud @cstross @bitterkarella @tony @polypunk Wow. “Hey guys I wanna come party on pedo island!” “Nah man, you missed it, so sad”

                                          As a nerd who’s gotten quite accustomed to living on the outer fringe of the Cool Kids Klub, this dialog feels hauntingly familiar.

                                          Still gross, but also pathetic

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