Do Meta employees even like their own Meta glasses?
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@fckusa @sibrosan @Roelmaalderink @bitsoffreedom I understand the problem pretty well and I also understand that such actions dont make any impact other than they give you small spark of joy when you scroll the feed of your social network.
If you want to change something, protest in front of government buildings and meta headquarters. Dont haras employees. Focus on people who make decisions.
@grayrattus @sibrosan @Roelmaalderink @bitsoffreedom I agree on the protest with focus on the governments but even if every nation regulates this tech there won't be a coherent rulebook. We need to pressure every level of this industry accordingly to their role in this technology and employees working for Zuckerberg are a part of it. One of the minor parts but still. So I'm fine with this action. It's ok if you have your own view on that.
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They haven't been constantly harassed. They were made a little fun of, once, one morning, on their way to work. The guy had the decency to hide their face.
He hasn't been mean, it was light hearted humor.
I understand that we should understand that this is only a job, that this might be the only job available and so on. On the other hand, their job is making everybody else's life a little worse.
@MichelPatrice@jasette.facil.services @grayrattus@mastodon.socialI understand that we should understand that this is only a job, that this might be the only job available and so on
There's quite a few jobs in the Netherlands right now. Even in tech. But there are indeed very little jobs that make that kind of money, and that is what they're really interested in. They could still live a very good life making a lot less money and having some moral values, if they actually cared. -
@bitsoffreedom Meta does not want people to see this video. I repeat: Meta does NOT want people to see this video.
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@sibrosan @Roelmaalderink @bitsoffreedom I see you still try to turn this into some kind of a joke but Im not joking. This is harassement and its not funny.
He recorded vulnerable employees and I think its pathetic.
@grayrattus @sibrosan @Roelmaalderink @bitsoffreedom I don't think these were the cleaning staff. Quite a difference between actual compensated developers and low wage Amazon workers which you're defending in a follow-up post.
If you want to instigate change, you need to poke at all different levels. Indeed not _just_ these minions, but _also_. When more people feel the hypocrisy in their work, they can bring about a shift for the better, if only ever so slightly.
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@MichelPatrice@jasette.facil.services @grayrattus@mastodon.social
I understand that we should understand that this is only a job, that this might be the only job available and so on
There's quite a few jobs in the Netherlands right now. Even in tech. But there are indeed very little jobs that make that kind of money, and that is what they're really interested in. They could still live a very good life making a lot less money and having some moral values, if they actually cared.@tyil @MichelPatrice "They could still live a very good life making a lot less money and having some moral values, if they actually cared." - if you have 3 kids, a mortgage 550 000 euros for 30 years and car in Amaterdam corporate jobs are the only options to cover expenses.
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Do Meta employees even like their own Meta glasses? (In collaboration with @bitsoffreedom )
@Roelmaalderink @bitsoffreedom I am not sure harassing the bottom line of a mega corporation with people who are just trying to make a living really surmounts to anything.
Its like going to the clothes spinners in Bangladesh for the things H&M or Primark are doing.
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@grayrattus
Managers are regular employees too. Don't think anyone can tell from their coats what their function in the company is.At least you agree that these glasses are useful for harassers.
@Heidentweet @grayrattus @Roelmaalderink @bitsoffreedom people who come in with backpacks through the front door at companies at these scales are generally not managers.
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@Roelmaalderink @bitsoffreedom I am not sure harassing the bottom line of a mega corporation with people who are just trying to make a living really surmounts to anything.
Its like going to the clothes spinners in Bangladesh for the things H&M or Primark are doing.
@dantalion The spinners in Bangladesh are much more removed than this. This is more like "Stop harassing the bottom line ICE agents who are just putting in a day's work enacting the administration's fascist ideals."
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@Roelmaalderink @bitsoffreedom its cool but why are you harrasing employees? xD their work is already shit as they work for META.
Its kind of like going to Booking and asking: "How do you like sponsoring genocide?!!".
I think it would be better if you hunt for manager of whole META branch or something. Regular employees work for money just as we all do.
@grayrattus Good point. They're just doing their jobs. That's a great defense that's worked before. @Roelmaalderink @bitsoffreedom
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Do Meta employees even like their own Meta glasses? (In collaboration with @bitsoffreedom )
@Roelmaalderink @bitsoffreedom
Is this like gun carrying theory? We know that guns exist and police are carrying them, like we know that police carry bodycams.
Can we allow other people to carry guns and body cams?
Or how to tell what happens with the recorded data?
Who should have access?
Who should be able to decide that? -
@bitsoffreedom Meta does not want people to see this video. I repeat: Meta does NOT want people to see this video.
@Roelmaalderink I guess some Meta employees are shy. @bitsoffreedom
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@tyil @MichelPatrice "They could still live a very good life making a lot less money and having some moral values, if they actually cared." - if you have 3 kids, a mortgage 550 000 euros for 30 years and car in Amaterdam corporate jobs are the only options to cover expenses.
@grayrattus@mastodon.social @MichelPatrice@jasette.facil.services And of course living outside Amsterdam is not a life worth living. -
@Roelmaalderink @bitsoffreedom its cool but why are you harrasing employees? xD their work is already shit as they work for META.
Its kind of like going to Booking and asking: "How do you like sponsoring genocide?!!".
I think it would be better if you hunt for manager of whole META branch or something. Regular employees work for money just as we all do.
@grayrattus @Roelmaalderink @bitsoffreedom this would typically not be people who have no choice where to work
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@grayrattus @Roelmaalderink @bitsoffreedom this would typically not be people who have no choice where to work
@mkoek @Roelmaalderink @bitsoffreedom sure, especially that a lot of people from the video did not even speak Dutch XD They probably have soooo many oportunities to work outside of corporate jobs.
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Do Meta employees even like their own Meta glasses? (In collaboration with @bitsoffreedom )
@Roelmaalderink @bitsoffreedom Schot in de roos! Ik had dit filmpje nog niet bekeken. Maar toen ik er over las op Teletekst (dat het van Instagram werd gehaald) ben ik het even gaan terugkijken. Betere reclame krijg je niet. Zelf kom ik nooit op FB en Instagram, ik moet zoiets dus via Teletekst lezen.
Nadeel is dat dit teveel reacties op Mastodon oplevert. Die ga ik (tegen m'n principes in) echt niet allemaal lezen. Nog even en ik moet A.I. inzetten voor een slap en sterk ingekort gemiddelde.
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Do Meta employees even like their own Meta glasses? (In collaboration with @bitsoffreedom )
@Roelmaalderink @bitsoffreedom
Nou ja zeg: "Meta verwijderde de video van Instagram wegens vermeend pesten en intimidatie. Dat staat in een screenshot dat Bits of Freedom heeft gedeeld met het AD. De video staat nog wel op YouTube." https://www.nu.nl/tech/6410793/meta-verwijdert-satirische-video-roel-maalderink-over-ai-brillen-van-bedrijf.html -
@yuri
Es geht hier nicht um den Kapitalismus, nicht um Arbeiter die schikaniert werden, weil sie für den "bösen Kapitalismus" arbeiten, sondern um die Herstellung von Grundrechtsverletzenden Waren (Waffen, gegen Freiheits- und Menschenrechte) die sich die Gesellschaftskritik auch bei den herstellenden Mitarbeitern durch solche "Anspielungen" gefallen lassen müssen. Ja, belästigend für Mitarbeiter diese Blosstellung des Produktes durch sie zu ertragen, schlimmere Konzequenz für die Gesellschaft!@Realkind Tut mir Leid, ich verstehe nicht was du sagen möchtest weil der Satz zu verschachtelt ist.
Das Video ist halt einfach nicht dieser Gotcha-Moment den es verkaufen möchte. Und selbst wenn, gäbe es andere Möglichkeiten den Punkt zu machen, als von irgendeiner random Mitarbeiterin den Arsch zu filmen und auf Fedi zu posten.
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@dantalion The spinners in Bangladesh are much more removed than this. This is more like "Stop harassing the bottom line ICE agents who are just putting in a day's work enacting the administration's fascist ideals."
@xinit @Roelmaalderink @bitsoffreedom I think comparing meta workers to forces who threaten and bully people, exert phyisical violence, take people from their homes and deport them is a bit of hyperbole but sure.
Reality sits somewhere in between, that being said, try to find a job in tech that doesn't somehow contribute to technofascism. Its hard.
And no, there isn't enough space for everyone in tech to just start teaching or something like that.
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Do Meta employees even like their own Meta glasses? (In collaboration with @bitsoffreedom )
@Roelmaalderink @bitsoffreedom
Nu zelfs bij de NOS:
https://nos.nl/artikel/2632271-meta-haalt-satirische-video-roel-maalderink-over-camerabril-offline
@schellevis waarom maken jullie in dit bericht melding dat het filmpje "nog wel op Youtube te zien is" en niet bijvoorbeeld ook hier? Het zou echt helpen als mainstream media bigtech wat minder credits zou geven.
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@grayrattus@mastodon.social @MichelPatrice@jasette.facil.services And of course living outside Amsterdam is not a life worth living.
@tyil @grayrattus @MichelPatrice A mortgage of 550000 euro is not in Amsterdam.
But every job is a choice. Being a soldier, a butcher is a choice. So why not working at Meta. Or, maybe, they just dont care.
Please read the books of Jan Eggers about the Circle. He is so on point.
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