The teacher said "In English a double negative forms a positive.
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@Lily_and_frog @eleder @jack @Wolf_Baginski The text book English language rules are different to the current spoken language trends. The meaning is usually clear when spoken even though grammatically incorrect. I feel sorry for non English speakers.
@kibcol1049 @Lily_and_frog @eleder @jack @Wolf_Baginski I was going to say - at least where I’m at in the United States, if someone says in the vernacular “It ain’t no…” that double negative is understood to be a negative.
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@echopapa Im Ruhrpott so: *Ja, ja!* heißt "Leck mich am Ar***
️ In the Ruhr area, we say "Yeah, yeah!" actually means "Kiss my ass"
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@Lily_and_frog @eleder @jack @Wolf_Baginski @kibcol1049 German has a word for that, 'doch', which as I understand means something like 'on the contrary' but far less formal (even though it's German) and used specifically for replies to negative questions.
@wynke @Lily_and_frog @eleder @Wolf_Baginski @kibcol1049 "On the contrary", but in an affirmative way. So to say.
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@wynke @Lily_and_frog @eleder @Wolf_Baginski @kibcol1049 "On the contrary", but in an affirmative way. So to say.
@jack @Lily_and_frog @eleder @Wolf_Baginski @kibcol1049 Yes, that's how I understand it (I'm Dutch, not German).
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The teacher said "In English a double negative forms a positive. In some languages, though, such as Russian, a double negative is still a negative. However, there is no language wherein a double positive can form a negative."
A voice from the back of the room piped up, "Yeah, right."Correction: "There ain't no language..."
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@AlexanderVI @rzeta0 @kibcol1049 disagree. The taught rule is, based on the mathematical rule but it is not actually the case. Even QI klaxoned it! The context defines whether it applies or not.
Admittedly it is seen as poor form and it can usually be avoided but the taught adsolute rule is not correct.
@EF @AlexanderVI @rzeta0 @kibcol1049
"Poor form" is a thing you would say in a different register of English than one where you'd use a double negative, but both are valid, except saying another valid register is "poor form" is kind of dickish.However, linguistics doesn't have AFAIK a marker like the asterisk to put next to an utterance where the speaker is being a dick.
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@AlexanderVI @EF @rzeta0 @kibcol1049 Depends on the definition of education. To me they criticized dumb, blind memorized ... stuff.
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@AlexanderVI @EF @rzeta0 @kibcol1049 Depends on the definition of education. To me they criticized dumb, blind memorized ... stuff.
@AlexanderVI @EF @rzeta0 @kibcol1049 because that would be another brick in the wall.
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@kibcol1049 Also, of course, the usage in Ireland “I will, yeah”
@sinabhfuil. And in every bureaucracy (corporate and public) ever "Sure, OK."
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@echopapa@social.tchncs.d "A Recht host. Schon weilst a Preis bist" (Austrian)
"Your are right, simply because you're Prussian" - sounds positive but means that the other person is neither right nor will they be proved right, simply because they are German. -
@mfeilner @kibcol1049 @chillicampari Then there is "jo" in Norwegian which (among other uses) is a "Yes" that preceeds the other person first affirming and then disagreeing with you in some way.
"Kan jeg ta bussen herfra til Ullevaal?"
"Can I get to Ullevaal from here by bus?"
"Jo, men det er lettere å ta en taxi"
"Yes, but it is easier to take a taxi".
@the_wub @kibcol1049 @chillicampari "Doch!"
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The teacher said "In English a double negative forms a positive. In some languages, though, such as Russian, a double negative is still a negative. However, there is no language wherein a double positive can form a negative."
A voice from the back of the room piped up, "Yeah, right."@kibcol1049 In German it varies from case to case. Emphasis, gestures, facial expressions, comma placement, context, the personal relationship, geographical region or dialect and regional humour - all is playing a role.
"Ja ja" - "yeah yeah" / "yes yes" can be positive but just as easily negative.
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@kibcol1049
First day of English class, prof says that there two words that he never wants to see or hear. One of them is “nice” and the other is lousy. Someone in the back asks, “what are the two words?”@stevewfolds @kibcol1049 thanks. I have appreciated and written a little based on your words
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@mfeilner @kibcol1049 @chillicampari "Toch?"
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@mfeilner @kibcol1049 @chillicampari Then there is "jo" in Norwegian which (among other uses) is a "Yes" that preceeds the other person first affirming and then disagreeing with you in some way.
"Kan jeg ta bussen herfra til Ullevaal?"
"Can I get to Ullevaal from here by bus?"
"Jo, men det er lettere å ta en taxi"
"Yes, but it is easier to take a taxi".
@the_wub @mfeilner @kibcol1049 @chillicampari Jo is such a handy word. Every time i come back from Norway i seem to keep using it in the UK for a few weeks. Maybe the nearest in English is a sort of drawn out yeeaasss while sucking air through the teeth.
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@kibcol1049
Be careful in Germany:
"yes, yes" means "kiss my ass".("Ja, ja" heißt "leck mich am Arsch".)
@ard_the_rich @kibcol1049
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The teacher said "In English a double negative forms a positive. In some languages, though, such as Russian, a double negative is still a negative. However, there is no language wherein a double positive can form a negative."
A voice from the back of the room piped up, "Yeah, right."@kibcol1049 In Finnish we have got "joo joo" which means 1) a very reclutant "yes, gonna do it even though I could not be bothered" or 2) not willing to say no but disagreeing with the statement or plead. "Joo" is just something akin to "yeah" in spoken language, borrowed from some Swedish dialect, probably.
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English is my second language and phrases like
"we don't want no education"
always bother me.
@rzeta0 @kibcol1049 The IT Crowd (TV series) had Moss answering "oh yes you do, that's a double negative" in one of the episodes.
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Nope, it started here, sorry.
@TrueNorthSpice @maggiejk I'm pretty sure that Finnish people can be blamed for that, maybe.
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@kibcol1049 In Finnish we have got "joo joo" which means 1) a very reclutant "yes, gonna do it even though I could not be bothered" or 2) not willing to say no but disagreeing with the statement or plead. "Joo" is just something akin to "yeah" in spoken language, borrowed from some Swedish dialect, probably.
@kibcol1049 We've also got "niin" with numerous meanings replacing whole sentences. The meaning depends on intonation (very subtle though) and tone etc. It's all surprisingly high-context.
