Thanks to AI eating the supply chain, hosting a website has gotten a LOT more expensive than in years past.
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Thanks to AI eating the supply chain, hosting a website has gotten a LOT more expensive than in years past. One wonders what's going to happen to bajillions of small hosting companies that are profitable as long as all their equipment isn't 2-10 times more expensive than it used to be. For now, they're just passing the costs on to their customers. But my guess is the hosting industry is headed for a wave of consolidation and/or bankruptcies.
https://topsitehosters.com/blog/why-your-hosting-is-getting-more-expensive/
@briankrebs AVOID AVOID AVOID any of the companies owned by Newfold Digital, formerly Endurance International Hosters. There are quite a few and you've heard of some of them. You can do better.
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@xconde something that isnt a residential ip, like a dsl line, a cable modem, or a mobile device. a static ip from a business internet connection, or an ip from a colo that isnt a cloud provider
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@jernej__s @briankrebs yeah, same, but it helps to have a commercial static ip
@Viss @briankrebs I've had the same IP since I changed to this ISP in 2007 (and my PTR's been set since then, too).
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@Viss @briankrebs I've had the same IP since I changed to this ISP in 2007 (and my PTR's been set since then, too).
@jernej__s @briankrebs its really only a concern at all if you intend to run a mailserver or a dns server. with regular web stuff and vpn stuff, non commercial is totally ok, so long as your isp doesnt block ports
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@jernej__s @briankrebs its really only a concern at all if you intend to run a mailserver or a dns server. with regular web stuff and vpn stuff, non commercial is totally ok, so long as your isp doesnt block ports
@Viss @briankrebs I don't (currently) run a mail server on my home IP, but I do run it at work and for a few clients (all on the same ISP, IPs assigned from the same pool). No problems at all.
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Thanks to AI eating the supply chain, hosting a website has gotten a LOT more expensive than in years past. One wonders what's going to happen to bajillions of small hosting companies that are profitable as long as all their equipment isn't 2-10 times more expensive than it used to be. For now, they're just passing the costs on to their customers. But my guess is the hosting industry is headed for a wave of consolidation and/or bankruptcies.
https://topsitehosters.com/blog/why-your-hosting-is-getting-more-expensive/
@briankrebs
Some of it greed!Why has the annual cost of a domain name almost doubled? A ripoff in the first place.
Or a static IP on an always on Broadband connection that uses no carrier proxies costs a fortune.
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@briankrebs everyones gonna go the '$5 cloud vm with next to no resources as a vpn endpoint, then site to site from their house so they can have a static public ip to host shit at home from' route.
or go the way I did - buy equipment and plunk it in a colo, and host stuff for family and friends
@Viss @briankrebs I was gonna say, this might mean the return of friend-colos.
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@briankrebs It's not just that side of things — I'm willing to bet the increase in the sheer number of requests caused by AI crawlers will lead to challenges in the over-provisioning practices of these very hosting companies, too.
@neverpanic @briankrebs They'll just start hammering the stuff hosted at home to scrape. My fiber modem's logs are full of scrapers looking for open ports 443 and 80 (correlated against the netblocks I already block at my site).
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Thanks to AI eating the supply chain, hosting a website has gotten a LOT more expensive than in years past. One wonders what's going to happen to bajillions of small hosting companies that are profitable as long as all their equipment isn't 2-10 times more expensive than it used to be. For now, they're just passing the costs on to their customers. But my guess is the hosting industry is headed for a wave of consolidation and/or bankruptcies.
https://topsitehosters.com/blog/why-your-hosting-is-getting-more-expensive/
@briankrebs
Correction: hosting a *dynamically generated* website *without* a cache-friendly architecture will be a LOT more expensive.
If you are hosting a static site or you have a proper cache setup you'll see more hits/bandwidth but not much for CPU/memory/disk usage.
We just go back to the same optimizations from the days of PHP-heavy websites making database queries for every page load: fix your stupid site, stop wasting CPU and database queries for every page load. Cache it. Aggressively. Do it right. It's not even hard, people are just extremely lazy. -
@Viss @briankrebs I was gonna say, this might mean the return of friend-colos.
@drwho @briankrebs thats the origin of ninja networks too
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Thanks to AI eating the supply chain, hosting a website has gotten a LOT more expensive than in years past. One wonders what's going to happen to bajillions of small hosting companies that are profitable as long as all their equipment isn't 2-10 times more expensive than it used to be. For now, they're just passing the costs on to their customers. But my guess is the hosting industry is headed for a wave of consolidation and/or bankruptcies.
https://topsitehosters.com/blog/why-your-hosting-is-getting-more-expensive/
@briankrebs do you think we are getting back to the old days of email newsletters?
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@briankrebs Maybe we'll all go back to self-hosting. I miss serving silly websites from a desktop in my bedroom.
Can I haz <blink>tags<\/blink> and under_construction.gif plzkthx
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@briankrebs Maybe we'll all go back to self-hosting. I miss serving silly websites from a desktop in my bedroom.
@WarySec @briankrebs Your next desktop will be more expensive.
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@briankrebs ideally it could lead to everyone making their sites more efficient
@sf105 @briankrebs before there was AI slop, there was React
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Thanks to AI eating the supply chain, hosting a website has gotten a LOT more expensive than in years past. One wonders what's going to happen to bajillions of small hosting companies that are profitable as long as all their equipment isn't 2-10 times more expensive than it used to be. For now, they're just passing the costs on to their customers. But my guess is the hosting industry is headed for a wave of consolidation and/or bankruptcies.
https://topsitehosters.com/blog/why-your-hosting-is-getting-more-expensive/
@briankrebs Back to cobbled together Beowulf clusters?
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Thanks to AI eating the supply chain, hosting a website has gotten a LOT more expensive than in years past. One wonders what's going to happen to bajillions of small hosting companies that are profitable as long as all their equipment isn't 2-10 times more expensive than it used to be. For now, they're just passing the costs on to their customers. But my guess is the hosting industry is headed for a wave of consolidation and/or bankruptcies.
https://topsitehosters.com/blog/why-your-hosting-is-getting-more-expensive/
@briankrebs Electricity is what will kill hosting. You can always just use 2 older servers (that you already have) to do the work of one newer server that has been marked up by 500% at Dell since 18 months ago but if you cant power them you are screwed
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Thanks to AI eating the supply chain, hosting a website has gotten a LOT more expensive than in years past. One wonders what's going to happen to bajillions of small hosting companies that are profitable as long as all their equipment isn't 2-10 times more expensive than it used to be. For now, they're just passing the costs on to their customers. But my guess is the hosting industry is headed for a wave of consolidation and/or bankruptcies.
https://topsitehosters.com/blog/why-your-hosting-is-getting-more-expensive/
@briankrebs this will spread across all industries. I've recently reviewed a purchase request of hardware for a bank: the cost ranges between 3x and 4x of what it was. And it wasn't cheap in the first place.
We're planning 5-6 year investments now and searching for refurbished hardware. Luckily our CSP (OVH) adopts circular economy inside, so the recycle their own hardware. This should keep prices from spiking, probably leading to a gradual increase over time.
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Thanks to AI eating the supply chain, hosting a website has gotten a LOT more expensive than in years past. One wonders what's going to happen to bajillions of small hosting companies that are profitable as long as all their equipment isn't 2-10 times more expensive than it used to be. For now, they're just passing the costs on to their customers. But my guess is the hosting industry is headed for a wave of consolidation and/or bankruptcies.
https://topsitehosters.com/blog/why-your-hosting-is-getting-more-expensive/
@briankrebs I'm self hosting everything I can, right now.
Even services spared by uncontrolled costs have been falling to half assed (AI) DevOps instead.
I'm well past "we can pool resources to do better" and all the way to "fuck it, I'll do it, myself".
This is causing me to look much closer at what the Debian community has been up to, though.
I'm trying to catch up quickly so that I can contribute more, soon.
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Thanks to AI eating the supply chain, hosting a website has gotten a LOT more expensive than in years past. One wonders what's going to happen to bajillions of small hosting companies that are profitable as long as all their equipment isn't 2-10 times more expensive than it used to be. For now, they're just passing the costs on to their customers. But my guess is the hosting industry is headed for a wave of consolidation and/or bankruptcies.
https://topsitehosters.com/blog/why-your-hosting-is-getting-more-expensive/
@briankrebs My hosting company just raised my rates for the first time in many years. I can’t blame them.
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@drwho @briankrebs thats the origin of ninja networks too
- nature is healing@Viss @briankrebs I've got a subprocess rolling this idea around.
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