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  • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

    @moz @idahobucks

    If we're at a place where people won't vote because someone was mean on social media, we're already doomed. Such immature people unable to advocate for their own needs and wants and are that emotionally addled, if they represent a large enough part of society, it speaks of such disgusting laziness and entitlement then just say good bye to it all now

    And you certainly won't get such inept losers to vote by coddling their feelings

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    #37

    @benroyce @moz @idahobucks

    I find the idea of "iterating to better" somewhat naive. Even with perfectly proportional electoral system elected individuals tend to reflect the worldview and education level of the general population.

    Turnaround at the recent elections was merely the last straw. Underlying economic and social issues combined with uselessness of the Dem leadership played a much bigger role.

    Even if Harris would win the problem would return in 4 years.

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    • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

      "#Hungary's opposition #Tisza party widens its lead ahead of #Orban's #Fidesz"

      🤞 🤞 🤞

      If Hungary goes sane in April, and then if enough of the lazy entitled lumps in the #USA show up to #vote in November (after showing up in the #primaries to get real left candidates: BE THERE), then we can put a real dent on our emergent #fascism

      Fuck your #cynicism

      VOTE

      Let's do this, "degenerate Westoids" 🤭

      cflynnbooks@mastodonapp.ukC This user is from outside of this forum
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      #38

      @benroyce
      UK suffers a similar problem. Apathy. Nonvoters letting extremists get a toe hold.
      There’s a Parliamentary election in Manchester today. The fascist Reform (private limited company) party have broken almost every electoral rule in the run up to it. The state media have platformed the fascists. Nobody has been censured.
      Everyone is hoping that enough native Mancunians can see through the bullshit and get out to vote gainst them.
      This is NOT helped by lying pollsters - fascists making up their own, the Greens deliberately misrepresenting data (caught by UK Full Fact).

      We’ll have the answer tomorrow morning, until then we’re just hoping that people have more sense than turkeys that vote for Christmas.

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      • francoisprague@mastodon.socialF francoisprague@mastodon.social

        @benroyce May 2026 be the year when they all fall like dominos... Spring: Orban -> Summer: Putin -> Autumn: Trump -> Winter: Netanyahu

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        #39

        @FrancoisPrague @benroyce We can at least hope so!

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        • klegdixal@social.vivaldi.netK klegdixal@social.vivaldi.net

          @benroyce @moz @idahobucks

          I find the idea of "iterating to better" somewhat naive. Even with perfectly proportional electoral system elected individuals tend to reflect the worldview and education level of the general population.

          Turnaround at the recent elections was merely the last straw. Underlying economic and social issues combined with uselessness of the Dem leadership played a much bigger role.

          Even if Harris would win the problem would return in 4 years.

          benroyce@mastodon.socialB This user is from outside of this forum
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          #40

          @klegdixal @moz @idahobucks

          the problem is always there

          defeating fascism is not "yay we won!" then it is all over forever. that is what is naive

          it requires people to constantly vote and constantly show up

          and so that is naive on my part:

          that so many people "on the left" have the constitution and resolve to just fucking vote, something easy to do- relatively speaking compared to other forms of struggle

          and that is the failure:

          loser assholes who don't vote

          they let us all down

          benroyce@mastodon.socialB klegdixal@social.vivaldi.netK ketmorco@fosstodon.orgK 3 Replies Last reply
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          • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

            @klegdixal @moz @idahobucks

            the problem is always there

            defeating fascism is not "yay we won!" then it is all over forever. that is what is naive

            it requires people to constantly vote and constantly show up

            and so that is naive on my part:

            that so many people "on the left" have the constitution and resolve to just fucking vote, something easy to do- relatively speaking compared to other forms of struggle

            and that is the failure:

            loser assholes who don't vote

            they let us all down

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            #41

            @klegdixal @moz @idahobucks

            we lose an election?

            we keep going

            correct?

            no

            what we get is "waah waah we lost one election. waah waah this is so hard. waah waah i give up"

            fucking losers

            and so fascism has it easier. *because of* people supposedly on the left. supposedly, because the real left in days of yore had a fucking backbone

            that's what we lack nowadays

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            • francoisprague@mastodon.socialF francoisprague@mastodon.social

              @benroyce May 2026 be the year when they all fall like dominos... Spring: Orban -> Summer: Putin -> Autumn: Trump -> Winter: Netanyahu

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              #42

              @FrancoisPrague

              VOOOOOTTTTTTTEEEEEEEEEEE

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              • cflynnbooks@mastodonapp.ukC cflynnbooks@mastodonapp.uk

                @benroyce
                UK suffers a similar problem. Apathy. Nonvoters letting extremists get a toe hold.
                There’s a Parliamentary election in Manchester today. The fascist Reform (private limited company) party have broken almost every electoral rule in the run up to it. The state media have platformed the fascists. Nobody has been censured.
                Everyone is hoping that enough native Mancunians can see through the bullshit and get out to vote gainst them.
                This is NOT helped by lying pollsters - fascists making up their own, the Greens deliberately misrepresenting data (caught by UK Full Fact).

                We’ll have the answer tomorrow morning, until then we’re just hoping that people have more sense than turkeys that vote for Christmas.

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                #43

                @cflynnbooks

                VOTE!

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                • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                  @FrancoisPrague

                  VOOOOOTTTTTTTEEEEEEEEEEE

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                  #44

                  @benroyce @FrancoisPrague 👍

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                  • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                    @klegdixal @moz @idahobucks

                    we lose an election?

                    we keep going

                    correct?

                    no

                    what we get is "waah waah we lost one election. waah waah this is so hard. waah waah i give up"

                    fucking losers

                    and so fascism has it easier. *because of* people supposedly on the left. supposedly, because the real left in days of yore had a fucking backbone

                    that's what we lack nowadays

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                    #45

                    @benroyce @klegdixal @moz @idahobucks 👍

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                    • illdisposed@mastodon.socialI illdisposed@mastodon.social

                      @benroyce I presume Uncle Volodea will make sure he falls from a balcony in the meantime not to disturb his mate Viktor

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                      #46

                      @Illdisposed

                      dirty tricks is absolutely on the menu. i hope peter has good security

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                      • cy@fedicy.us.toC cy@fedicy.us.to
                        I'm not sure who you're listening to, but people I know are talking about how to evade the police and guerrilla warfare and such. The Dems are talking about voting and laws, but they're in on the scheme. Everyone else is discussing survival of economic collapse and police states. The reason there's no pushback is not because we won't, it's because we can't. We've been systematically hamstringed as a society for so long....

                        CC: @benroyce@mastodon.social
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                        #47

                        @cy @idahobucks

                        just fucking show up in the fucking primaries and get real left candidates

                        happening in a few weeks

                        that's how we got mamdani

                        we can get 50 mamdanis if PEOPLE FUCKING VOTE

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                        • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                          @moz @idahobucks

                          If we're at a place where people won't vote because someone was mean on social media, we're already doomed. Such immature people unable to advocate for their own needs and wants and are that emotionally addled, if they represent a large enough part of society, it speaks of such disgusting laziness and entitlement then just say good bye to it all now

                          And you certainly won't get such inept losers to vote by coddling their feelings

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                          #48

                          @benroyce @moz @idahobucks Overwhelming laziness is the most common civic trait of the 21st century.

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                          • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                            "#Hungary's opposition #Tisza party widens its lead ahead of #Orban's #Fidesz"

                            🤞 🤞 🤞

                            If Hungary goes sane in April, and then if enough of the lazy entitled lumps in the #USA show up to #vote in November (after showing up in the #primaries to get real left candidates: BE THERE), then we can put a real dent on our emergent #fascism

                            Fuck your #cynicism

                            VOTE

                            Let's do this, "degenerate Westoids" 🤭

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                            #49

                            @benroyce The #Vox article I recently shared talked a lot about how the response to emerging authoritarianism magnified in other countries, after the threats posed by authoritarians to democracy became too large and too obvious to ignore.

                            Which hopefully means some of the useless American lumps who didn’t vote in 2024 or somehow believed a vote for #trump would “lower prices” are paying attention to how the #republican party is burning everything down, and will help us vote them out.

                            #voteblue

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                            • wyatt_h_knott@vermont.masto.hostW wyatt_h_knott@vermont.masto.host

                              @benroyce @moz @idahobucks Overwhelming laziness is the most common civic trait of the 21st century.

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                              #50

                              @Wyatt_H_Knott @moz @idahobucks

                              nonvoters are as bad as MAGA

                              they don't fall for the same psyop, they fall for a different psyop than the one played on MAGA, but coming from the same agenda

                              that agenda is: goose the right vote, suppress the left vote

                              so for MAGA they give excitement, encouragement, support

                              for the left they give helplessness, scorn, defeatism

                              and it fucking works

                              *because* so many on the left don't have a fucking backbone

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                              • moz@fosstodon.orgM moz@fosstodon.org

                                @benroyce @idahobucks A lot of my caution comes from the US habit of letting governments pick their voters.

                                The strategy of yelling abuse at non-voters might get a useful outcome, I don't know your local situation well enough to know. But in general yelling abuse is a poor tactic.

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                                #51

                                @moz @benroyce @idahobucks

                                If what you are suggesting is that some folks won't vote because their feelings where hurt by someone on social media, then you seem to have identified the problem, because social media is being used by some very astute people to suppress their votes.

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                                • mastodonmigration@mastodon.onlineM mastodonmigration@mastodon.online

                                  @moz @benroyce @idahobucks

                                  If what you are suggesting is that some folks won't vote because their feelings where hurt by someone on social media, then you seem to have identified the problem, because social media is being used by some very astute people to suppress their votes.

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                                  #52

                                  @mastodonmigration @moz @idahobucks

                                  therefore, anyone who is not voting, just because of their fucking feelings of resentment, helplessness, etc:

                                  grow a fucking backbone!

                                  the point of a vote is to advocate for your own wants and needs effectively

                                  the point is not to vibe on social media wallowing in self-pity and despair, while your rights are stripped away

                                  the left of yore, in previous centuries, would look at the "left" today and smack their foreheads

                                  so many are so fucking weak

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                                  • idahobucks@mastodon.socialI idahobucks@mastodon.social

                                    @benroyce not sure you can actually vote out facism.

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                                    #53

                                    @idahobucks @benroyce I'm pretty sure you can actually vote out fascists. That said if you got another way of getting rid of them, get to it and find like minded people to join you.

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                                    • H hakeemg@mastodon.social

                                      @idahobucks @benroyce I'm pretty sure you can actually vote out fascists. That said if you got another way of getting rid of them, get to it and find like minded people to join you.

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                                      #54

                                      @HakeemG @idahobucks

                                      i completely support that

                                      but even if there is some other way to remove #fascism than voting, the people working that angle will insist people still #vote, because it is merely another tactic in a larger war. the vote as a tool of vandalism/ sabotage is just a strategy

                                      so even if you completely abandon voting in your mind, and you go to some movement working another angle to fight fascism, they will be saying "oh make sure to vote to fuck with them"

                                      so you still vote!

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                                      • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                                        @HakeemG @idahobucks

                                        i completely support that

                                        but even if there is some other way to remove #fascism than voting, the people working that angle will insist people still #vote, because it is merely another tactic in a larger war. the vote as a tool of vandalism/ sabotage is just a strategy

                                        so even if you completely abandon voting in your mind, and you go to some movement working another angle to fight fascism, they will be saying "oh make sure to vote to fuck with them"

                                        so you still vote!

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                                        #55

                                        @benroyce @HakeemG @idahobucks
                                        As many tactics/strategies as it takes....AOW suggests being flexible and willing to use any # of strategies at any given point. It will take numerous strategies continuously to dismantle what damage has been done.

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                                        • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                                          @mastodonmigration @moz @idahobucks

                                          therefore, anyone who is not voting, just because of their fucking feelings of resentment, helplessness, etc:

                                          grow a fucking backbone!

                                          the point of a vote is to advocate for your own wants and needs effectively

                                          the point is not to vibe on social media wallowing in self-pity and despair, while your rights are stripped away

                                          the left of yore, in previous centuries, would look at the "left" today and smack their foreheads

                                          so many are so fucking weak

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                                          #56

                                          @benroyce @mastodonmigration @moz @idahobucks I would argue gerrymandering and disinformation is more of the problem than voting, but I agree people should vote.

                                          People have been yelling at people to vote since the beginning , maybe there should be a better tactic, cause it doesn't seem to be working.

                                          BTW I voted every year for the past 34 years in all elections was allowed (local, state and federal).

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