"#Hungary's opposition #Tisza party widens its lead ahead of #Orban's #Fidesz"
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I find the idea of "iterating to better" somewhat naive. Even with perfectly proportional electoral system elected individuals tend to reflect the worldview and education level of the general population.
Turnaround at the recent elections was merely the last straw. Underlying economic and social issues combined with uselessness of the Dem leadership played a much bigger role.
Even if Harris would win the problem would return in 4 years.
the problem is always there
defeating fascism is not "yay we won!" then it is all over forever. that is what is naive
it requires people to constantly vote and constantly show up
and so that is naive on my part:
that so many people "on the left" have the constitution and resolve to just fucking vote, something easy to do- relatively speaking compared to other forms of struggle
and that is the failure:
loser assholes who don't vote
they let us all down
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the problem is always there
defeating fascism is not "yay we won!" then it is all over forever. that is what is naive
it requires people to constantly vote and constantly show up
and so that is naive on my part:
that so many people "on the left" have the constitution and resolve to just fucking vote, something easy to do- relatively speaking compared to other forms of struggle
and that is the failure:
loser assholes who don't vote
they let us all down
we lose an election?
we keep going
correct?
no
what we get is "waah waah we lost one election. waah waah this is so hard. waah waah i give up"
fucking losers
and so fascism has it easier. *because of* people supposedly on the left. supposedly, because the real left in days of yore had a fucking backbone
that's what we lack nowadays
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@benroyce May 2026 be the year when they all fall like dominos... Spring: Orban -> Summer: Putin -> Autumn: Trump -> Winter: Netanyahu
VOOOOOTTTTTTTEEEEEEEEEEE
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@benroyce
UK suffers a similar problem. Apathy. Nonvoters letting extremists get a toe hold.
There’s a Parliamentary election in Manchester today. The fascist Reform (private limited company) party have broken almost every electoral rule in the run up to it. The state media have platformed the fascists. Nobody has been censured.
Everyone is hoping that enough native Mancunians can see through the bullshit and get out to vote gainst them.
This is NOT helped by lying pollsters - fascists making up their own, the Greens deliberately misrepresenting data (caught by UK Full Fact).We’ll have the answer tomorrow morning, until then we’re just hoping that people have more sense than turkeys that vote for Christmas.
VOTE!
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VOOOOOTTTTTTTEEEEEEEEEEE
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we lose an election?
we keep going
correct?
no
what we get is "waah waah we lost one election. waah waah this is so hard. waah waah i give up"
fucking losers
and so fascism has it easier. *because of* people supposedly on the left. supposedly, because the real left in days of yore had a fucking backbone
that's what we lack nowadays
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@benroyce I presume Uncle Volodea will make sure he falls from a balcony in the meantime not to disturb his mate Viktor
dirty tricks is absolutely on the menu. i hope peter has good security
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I'm not sure who you're listening to, but people I know are talking about how to evade the police and guerrilla warfare and such. The Dems are talking about voting and laws, but they're in on the scheme. Everyone else is discussing survival of economic collapse and police states. The reason there's no pushback is not because we won't, it's because we can't. We've been systematically hamstringed as a society for so long....
CC: @benroyce@mastodon.socialjust fucking show up in the fucking primaries and get real left candidates
happening in a few weeks
that's how we got mamdani
we can get 50 mamdanis if PEOPLE FUCKING VOTE
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If we're at a place where people won't vote because someone was mean on social media, we're already doomed. Such immature people unable to advocate for their own needs and wants and are that emotionally addled, if they represent a large enough part of society, it speaks of such disgusting laziness and entitlement then just say good bye to it all now
And you certainly won't get such inept losers to vote by coddling their feelings
@benroyce @moz @idahobucks Overwhelming laziness is the most common civic trait of the 21st century.
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"#Hungary's opposition #Tisza party widens its lead ahead of #Orban's #Fidesz"
If Hungary goes sane in April, and then if enough of the lazy entitled lumps in the #USA show up to #vote in November (after showing up in the #primaries to get real left candidates: BE THERE), then we can put a real dent on our emergent #fascism
Fuck your #cynicism
VOTE
Let's do this, "degenerate Westoids" 🤭
@benroyce The #Vox article I recently shared talked a lot about how the response to emerging authoritarianism magnified in other countries, after the threats posed by authoritarians to democracy became too large and too obvious to ignore.
Which hopefully means some of the useless American lumps who didn’t vote in 2024 or somehow believed a vote for #trump would “lower prices” are paying attention to how the #republican party is burning everything down, and will help us vote them out.
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@benroyce @moz @idahobucks Overwhelming laziness is the most common civic trait of the 21st century.
@Wyatt_H_Knott @moz @idahobucks
nonvoters are as bad as MAGA
they don't fall for the same psyop, they fall for a different psyop than the one played on MAGA, but coming from the same agenda
that agenda is: goose the right vote, suppress the left vote
so for MAGA they give excitement, encouragement, support
for the left they give helplessness, scorn, defeatism
and it fucking works
*because* so many on the left don't have a fucking backbone
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@benroyce @idahobucks A lot of my caution comes from the US habit of letting governments pick their voters.
The strategy of yelling abuse at non-voters might get a useful outcome, I don't know your local situation well enough to know. But in general yelling abuse is a poor tactic.
If what you are suggesting is that some folks won't vote because their feelings where hurt by someone on social media, then you seem to have identified the problem, because social media is being used by some very astute people to suppress their votes.
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If what you are suggesting is that some folks won't vote because their feelings where hurt by someone on social media, then you seem to have identified the problem, because social media is being used by some very astute people to suppress their votes.
@mastodonmigration @moz @idahobucks
therefore, anyone who is not voting, just because of their fucking feelings of resentment, helplessness, etc:
grow a fucking backbone!
the point of a vote is to advocate for your own wants and needs effectively
the point is not to vibe on social media wallowing in self-pity and despair, while your rights are stripped away
the left of yore, in previous centuries, would look at the "left" today and smack their foreheads
so many are so fucking weak
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@benroyce not sure you can actually vote out facism.
@idahobucks @benroyce I'm pretty sure you can actually vote out fascists. That said if you got another way of getting rid of them, get to it and find like minded people to join you.
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@idahobucks @benroyce I'm pretty sure you can actually vote out fascists. That said if you got another way of getting rid of them, get to it and find like minded people to join you.
i completely support that
but even if there is some other way to remove #fascism than voting, the people working that angle will insist people still #vote, because it is merely another tactic in a larger war. the vote as a tool of vandalism/ sabotage is just a strategy
so even if you completely abandon voting in your mind, and you go to some movement working another angle to fight fascism, they will be saying "oh make sure to vote to fuck with them"
so you still vote!
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i completely support that
but even if there is some other way to remove #fascism than voting, the people working that angle will insist people still #vote, because it is merely another tactic in a larger war. the vote as a tool of vandalism/ sabotage is just a strategy
so even if you completely abandon voting in your mind, and you go to some movement working another angle to fight fascism, they will be saying "oh make sure to vote to fuck with them"
so you still vote!
@benroyce @HakeemG @idahobucks
As many tactics/strategies as it takes....AOW suggests being flexible and willing to use any # of strategies at any given point. It will take numerous strategies continuously to dismantle what damage has been done. -
@mastodonmigration @moz @idahobucks
therefore, anyone who is not voting, just because of their fucking feelings of resentment, helplessness, etc:
grow a fucking backbone!
the point of a vote is to advocate for your own wants and needs effectively
the point is not to vibe on social media wallowing in self-pity and despair, while your rights are stripped away
the left of yore, in previous centuries, would look at the "left" today and smack their foreheads
so many are so fucking weak
@benroyce @mastodonmigration @moz @idahobucks I would argue gerrymandering and disinformation is more of the problem than voting, but I agree people should vote.
People have been yelling at people to vote since the beginning , maybe there should be a better tactic, cause it doesn't seem to be working.
BTW I voted every year for the past 34 years in all elections was allowed (local, state and federal).
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If what you are suggesting is that some folks won't vote because their feelings where hurt by someone on social media, then you seem to have identified the problem, because social media is being used by some very astute people to suppress their votes.
@mastodonmigration
What's the ratio of those who won't vote to those who will? -
@benroyce @HakeemG @idahobucks
As many tactics/strategies as it takes....AOW suggests being flexible and willing to use any # of strategies at any given point. It will take numerous strategies continuously to dismantle what damage has been done.@LilithMonkey @HakeemG @idahobucks
exactly
and so many hear me going "VOTE ASSHOLES" and think i'm saying "only vote, do nothing else"
no! not what i'm saying
do all the good things. protest, strike, etc
*and* vote
that is my message
meanwhile there are people out there saying "do all the good things *except* vote"
that is so fucking stupid
or an outright agent provocateur psyop from MAGA or geopolitical troll farm cosplaying left
voting is just another valid tactic
that's it!
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@benroyce @mastodonmigration @moz @idahobucks I would argue gerrymandering and disinformation is more of the problem than voting, but I agree people should vote.
People have been yelling at people to vote since the beginning , maybe there should be a better tactic, cause it doesn't seem to be working.
BTW I voted every year for the past 34 years in all elections was allowed (local, state and federal).
@Ox1de @mastodonmigration @moz @idahobucks
well we're going to be yelling at each other until there is only one human left
that's all we've ever done and ever will do
regardless, we vote
anyone who can't vote because "people yelling too much" are just weak fools
