The #Pope has published his first encyclical
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@benroyce
Have you read it, yet?it was a bad post
i don't have a problem with leo or what he wrote. i just have a problem with religion mixing with AI in general. but i wasn't clear on that
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it was a bad post
i don't have a problem with leo or what he wrote. i just have a problem with religion mixing with AI in general. but i wasn't clear on that
@benroyce
It's okay. I actually printed it at work. I started to read it and got distracted. I want to know from my own perspective what it says.
When some people talk about AI, they do sound like they are trying to make a supreme god out of a bunch of 0s and 1s
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He chose the name Leo because of Leo XIII "Pope of the Workers" and his stance for human dignity (rights of workers to fair wages in the 1800s was one thing he pushed for).
That Anthropic is involved?
Where do we go to understand this technology? Who do we trust?
When I finish reading the encyclical I may feel it doesn't take a strong stance.
Maybe it's purpose is to nudge the sleepy masses to be thoughtful about the technology and how it is now and could be used in the future? Remind people that critical thinking can only come from the human mind?
And, that's why I printed it...I don't think it will give me answers. I do think it might offer better formulated questions than I've had time to devise. Will see.
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@benroyce
It's okay. I actually printed it at work. I started to read it and got distracted. I want to know from my own perspective what it says.
When some people talk about AI, they do sound like they are trying to make a supreme god out of a bunch of 0s and 1s.
He chose the name Leo because of Leo XIII "Pope of the Workers" and his stance for human dignity (rights of workers to fair wages in the 1800s was one thing he pushed for).
That Anthropic is involved? Where do we go to understand this technology? Who do we trust?
When I finish reading the encyclical I may feel it doesn't take a strong stance.
Maybe it's purpose is to nudge the sleepy masses to be thoughtful about the technology and how it is now and could be used in the future? Remind people that critical thinking can only come from the human mind?
And, that's why I printed it...I don't think it will give me answers. I do think it might offer better formulated questions than I've had time to devise. Will see.
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the thing is, *what* can roost in us
give it a few generations, and some know-it-all endlessly cheerful AI can become the center of a religion. religion as it is is the same sort of know-it-all endless cheerfulness. it's a perfect fit
i don't have a problem with the modernity vs religion issue at all. there is a place in our lives for religion. but what can sneak in there to fill that role in spite of anyone's intentions
@benroyce no argument against that from me.
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i'm sorry
i don't have a problem with leo
i have a problem with religion and AI intersecting
i wasn't clear
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The #Pope has published his first encyclical
"Magnifica Humanitas: On the Safeguarding of the Human Person in the Age of Artificial Intelligence"
Is it just me and i'm getting old? Or is this genuinely weird?
#Religion... #AI... feels like a creepy intersection man
Can you "convert" an AI to a religion?
Can an AI serve as a representative of God?
Fuck it, we're doomed. We're not ready for this shit
https://ewtnvatican.com/articles/anthropic-ai-ethics-vatican-magnifica-humanitas
@benroyce I haven’t read the encyclical but I am impressed by the comments in the linked article from the Anthropic bloke about global inequality and moral oversight.
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yeah but catching up to what
just the idea of religion and AI in the same thought process gives me the heebie jeebies
i just don't think we're ready for this commingling
the USA didn't even survive social media
@benroyce @paulk It’s not just you. The Wikipedia article about the encyclical says “David Streitfeld, writing for The New York Times, analyzed the text as representing the contrast between traditional religions and a growing tendency in Silicon Valley to speak of artificial intelligence in quasi-religious tones.”
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@benroyce @paulk It’s not just you. The Wikipedia article about the encyclical says “David Streitfeld, writing for The New York Times, analyzed the text as representing the contrast between traditional religions and a growing tendency in Silicon Valley to speak of artificial intelligence in quasi-religious tones.”
Extremely creepy topic
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The #Pope has published his first encyclical
"Magnifica Humanitas: On the Safeguarding of the Human Person in the Age of Artificial Intelligence"
Is it just me and i'm getting old? Or is this genuinely weird?
#Religion... #AI... feels like a creepy intersection man
Can you "convert" an AI to a religion?
Can an AI serve as a representative of God?
Fuck it, we're doomed. We're not ready for this shit
https://ewtnvatican.com/articles/anthropic-ai-ethics-vatican-magnifica-humanitas
@benroyce They converted an orange rapist, pedophile, adulterer, and felon into the next coming, worshipping at his literal gold statue, so “they” can turn anything into a religion.
This pope seems pretty clear and wide-awake with modern issues, though.
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@benroyce They converted an orange rapist, pedophile, adulterer, and felon into the next coming, worshipping at his literal gold statue, so “they” can turn anything into a religion.
This pope seems pretty clear and wide-awake with modern issues, though.
yeah it was a bad post because i was freaking out over the topic of religion + AI in general: i had no criticism of leo or his writing. but the way i wrote it it looks like i'm criticizing him
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yeah but catching up to what
just the idea of religion and AI in the same thought process gives me the heebie jeebies
i just don't think we're ready for this commingling
the USA didn't even survive social media
«i just don't think we're ready for this commingling»
At first glance I read the last word as "coming"...
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well that's the sex robots
that's another problem coming (pun intended) as people devolve and lose the ability to competently socially interact with anything except AI, certainly not their romantic interest. heck, the very notion of "romantic interest" might devolve from another human being to some LLM avatar
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well that's the sex robots
that's another problem coming (pun intended) as people devolve and lose the ability to competently socially interact with anything except AI, certainly not their romantic interest. heck, the very notion of "romantic interest" might devolve from another human being to some LLM avatar
Right.
Never mind that the very phrase "romantic interest" is merely a technical term from movie screenwriting cookbooks...
(I'm sure those are being LLMized as well.)Let's hope we'll live to see what happens.
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@benroyce @paulk It’s not just you. The Wikipedia article about the encyclical says “David Streitfeld, writing for The New York Times, analyzed the text as representing the contrast between traditional religions and a growing tendency in Silicon Valley to speak of artificial intelligence in quasi-religious tones.”
@peterwyrm @benroyce @paulk I do not know, of course, what the pope wanted to say or what is in his mind. However, I certainly agree with the feeling that people behave towards AI/ML/NN/BS as a cult, and maybe, yes, as a religion. And the scariest part, for me, is that many colleagues, who, as scholars, should have a good amount of critical thinking ability, do the same all the time. I could give numerous first-hand examples about this, but it may get too specific. I will limit myself to saying that, in one case I found particularly shocking, an assistant professor literally told me that it doesn't matter that his method cannot explain what is happening in a certain system, because it is machine learning and therefore the final result will be correct. Even if we will be unable to say what it is, what has happened, how it happened, and what it means. I am *scared* of the cult that has been created around this shit, and I mean it.
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@peterwyrm @benroyce @paulk I do not know, of course, what the pope wanted to say or what is in his mind. However, I certainly agree with the feeling that people behave towards AI/ML/NN/BS as a cult, and maybe, yes, as a religion. And the scariest part, for me, is that many colleagues, who, as scholars, should have a good amount of critical thinking ability, do the same all the time. I could give numerous first-hand examples about this, but it may get too specific. I will limit myself to saying that, in one case I found particularly shocking, an assistant professor literally told me that it doesn't matter that his method cannot explain what is happening in a certain system, because it is machine learning and therefore the final result will be correct. Even if we will be unable to say what it is, what has happened, how it happened, and what it means. I am *scared* of the cult that has been created around this shit, and I mean it.
the biggest problem with that, besides the "machine learning says it, so i believe it" cult like aspect, is that these are supposedly intelligent people surrendering their faculties. depending upon LLM to do their "thinking" for them
if the supposedly most vaunted professions are going braindead, abandoning their judgment and critical thinking skills and devolving cognitively, what of the rest of humanity?
fuck
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the biggest problem with that, besides the "machine learning says it, so i believe it" cult like aspect, is that these are supposedly intelligent people surrendering their faculties. depending upon LLM to do their "thinking" for them
if the supposedly most vaunted professions are going braindead, abandoning their judgment and critical thinking skills and devolving cognitively, what of the rest of humanity?
fuck
@benroyce @peterwyrm @paulk exactly my point. It gives me some sort of existential dread.
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@peterwyrm @benroyce @paulk I do not know, of course, what the pope wanted to say or what is in his mind. However, I certainly agree with the feeling that people behave towards AI/ML/NN/BS as a cult, and maybe, yes, as a religion. And the scariest part, for me, is that many colleagues, who, as scholars, should have a good amount of critical thinking ability, do the same all the time. I could give numerous first-hand examples about this, but it may get too specific. I will limit myself to saying that, in one case I found particularly shocking, an assistant professor literally told me that it doesn't matter that his method cannot explain what is happening in a certain system, because it is machine learning and therefore the final result will be correct. Even if we will be unable to say what it is, what has happened, how it happened, and what it means. I am *scared* of the cult that has been created around this shit, and I mean it.
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the biggest problem with that, besides the "machine learning says it, so i believe it" cult like aspect, is that these are supposedly intelligent people surrendering their faculties. depending upon LLM to do their "thinking" for them
if the supposedly most vaunted professions are going braindead, abandoning their judgment and critical thinking skills and devolving cognitively, what of the rest of humanity?
fuck
@benroyce @paraw @peterwyrm @paulk Please read and comment on https://burdentennis.com/
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@benroyce @peterwyrm @paulk exactly my point. It gives me some sort of existential dread.
this notion of a future dystopia of humanity devolved into simple minds, after we handed all cognitive effort to some sort of AI overlord, is weirdly comforting
it's a nice coda to humanity
we struggled, reached great heights (and great lows), then we were benevolently retired to caretakers we created
free of thought, the root of our graces and our sins, our suffering over
however
we both know it will really be an eloi/ morlock bifurcation from "the time machine"
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