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You noticed how google search became unusably shit a few years ago

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  • paradox@raru.reP paradox@raru.re

    @ocean I need to understand what people are searching for and why the first page doesn't help them.
    Cuz the only time I can't find something is because I don't really expect to find anything. Either cuz it's a very niche question or earlier when I tried to get a pdf/ebook of Harold and the Purple Crayon (still copyrighted I think, no straightforward download).

    Like I believe people are having a hard time. I just can't tell from my experience.

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    #40

    @Paradox By the way: Never heard of “Harold and the Purple Crayon” before, but https://www.google.com/search?q=%22Harold+and+the+Purple+Crayon%22+PDF results in a PDF with a Hindi translation (including the English original, but black and white without purple) and a PDF with a version with additional graphic explanations for people with disabilities on the first search result page. … which probably is as good as it gets for a work still under copyright.

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    • lispi314@udongein.xyzL lispi314@udongein.xyz
      @Paradox It seriously covers multiple pages at this point on the worst search-engines.

      Any topic that /isn't/ particularly niche suffers from it more.
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      #41

      @lispi314 You are not only talking about the snippet from *Google's* LLM at the top of the search results, but also about the other results? Haven't had *that* many obviously LLM-generated, but perhaps my interests are just niche enough. @Paradox

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      • ocean@raru.reO ocean@raru.re

        You noticed how google search became unusably shit a few years ago?
        Turns out that was on purpose

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        #42

        @ocean that's...actually diabolical.

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        • heptasean@social.tchncs.deH heptasean@social.tchncs.de

          @Paradox By the way: Never heard of “Harold and the Purple Crayon” before, but https://www.google.com/search?q=%22Harold+and+the+Purple+Crayon%22+PDF results in a PDF with a Hindi translation (including the English original, but black and white without purple) and a PDF with a version with additional graphic explanations for people with disabilities on the first search result page. … which probably is as good as it gets for a work still under copyright.

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          #43

          @HeptaSean
          It's an old kid's book about a boy that explores the world while drawing it all with his crayon.

          Thanks. ^_^

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          • ocean@raru.reO ocean@raru.re

            You noticed how google search became unusably shit a few years ago?
            Turns out that was on purpose

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            #44

            @ocean right

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            • ocean@raru.reO ocean@raru.re

              You noticed how google search became unusably shit a few years ago?
              Turns out that was on purpose

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              #45

              @ocean Source: https://journalrecord.com/2025/02/20/is-google-making-search-worse-to-sell-more-ads/

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              • heptasean@social.tchncs.deH heptasean@social.tchncs.de

                @lispi314 You are not only talking about the snippet from *Google's* LLM at the top of the search results, but also about the other results? Haven't had *that* many obviously LLM-generated, but perhaps my interests are just niche enough. @Paradox

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                #46
                @HeptaSean @Paradox Not the snippet, no. Pages on other domains linked by the search engine results.

                There's a certain... meandering meaninglessness to the text with a bunch of huge empty spaces on those sites (thanks adblockers) that's typical.

                Oh sure, the meaningless nonsense also used to get written-up by humans before but I don't consider spam to be worth more when written by humans instead of autogenerated.
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                • ocean@raru.reO ocean@raru.re

                  You noticed how google search became unusably shit a few years ago?
                  Turns out that was on purpose

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                  #47

                  @ocean where is this coming from? What's the source?

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                  • mikal@sfba.socialM mikal@sfba.social

                    @ocean
                    Ha! Knew it!
                    Not long ago I pointed out to someone that in a way, worse search results meant more time scrolling and ergo more ad impressions, so it wouldn't at all surprise me if they quit bothering to improve.

                    Fuckers. I'd assumed a sort of passive acceptance and laziness had led to degraded quality, but the fact that it was actually designed that way means there should be a "recall" of their product and they need to compensate me for all the wasted time before I finally gave up and went to DDG (which, IMO, has dropped significantly in quality since I started using it 🤔 ).

                    Thing is, look at ANY online business that makes money off of ad impressions and there is an immediately obvious incentive to find ways to increase your scrolling time on the site. Not all are scummy grifters, of course, but when the incentive is there, someone is going to take advantage of it.

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                    #48

                    @Mikal @ocean

                    Well, as with other companies, competition and product reviews are needed to link good service to profits. So maybe consumers should change up their search engines.

                    Here's an article from PC Magazine that compares them:

                    https://www.pcmag.com/picks/go-beyond-google-best-alternative-search-engines

                    #searchengines

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                    • ocean@raru.reO ocean@raru.re

                      You noticed how google search became unusably shit a few years ago?
                      Turns out that was on purpose

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                      #49

                      @ocean this big issue here is that everyone else's search is still worse

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                      • ocean@raru.reO ocean@raru.re

                        You noticed how google search became unusably shit a few years ago?
                        Turns out that was on purpose

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                        #50

                        @ocean Nein!

                        Doch.

                        Oh...

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                        • ocean@raru.reO ocean@raru.re

                          You noticed how google search became unusably shit a few years ago?
                          Turns out that was on purpose

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                          #51

                          @ocean 😡

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                          • itamarst@hachyderm.ioI itamarst@hachyderm.io

                            @ocean As predicted by Brin and Page: "we expect that advertising funded search engines will be inherently biased towards the advertisers and away from the needs of the consumers." (The Anatomy of a Large-Scale Hypertextual Web Search Engine, 1998 - http://infolab.stanford.edu/~backrub/google.html)

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                            #52

                            @itamarst @ocean That was back when Google pledged, and did, no evil. Since then they've told us they are going to be evil.

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                            • ocean@raru.reO ocean@raru.re

                              You noticed how google search became unusably shit a few years ago?
                              Turns out that was on purpose

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                              #53

                              @ocean this is why they have heavily invested in trump 2.0. It just makes cynical business sense.

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                              • ocean@raru.reO ocean@raru.re

                                You noticed how google search became unusably shit a few years ago?
                                Turns out that was on purpose

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                                #54
                                @ocean@raru.re
                                I wonder if they utilised the same strategy for Google Translate? Because it's equally unusable now — I recall early machine-assisted translation systems from the nineties doing much better job that what Google Translate does now. At times it's hard to figure out what is the meaning of the resulting text even if you speak both languages and know what the usual pitfalls are.
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                                • ocean@raru.reO ocean@raru.re

                                  You noticed how google search became unusably shit a few years ago?
                                  Turns out that was on purpose

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                                  #55

                                  @ocean
                                  .
                                  what about when we don't need, "competition," for a pile of crap and just stop using it since it doesn't work?
                                  .
                                  Is "market share," a joke here? Everybody turns their computers off, because they're fucking useless but they're still winning, "market share?"

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                                  • ocean@raru.reO ocean@raru.re

                                    You noticed how google search became unusably shit a few years ago?
                                    Turns out that was on purpose

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                                    #56

                                    @ocean@raru.re Can you believe "Buick" was once an innovative company. Then GM bought them. Oh well.

                                    Not that I care much about network software, coz nearly all of it pretty much sucks. But anywayz think of all the companies Google has ruined. If there was a great idea in there- it'd likely get lost.

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                                    • ocean@raru.reO ocean@raru.re

                                      You noticed how google search became unusably shit a few years ago?
                                      Turns out that was on purpose

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                                      #57

                                      @ocean so Google search results are bad intentionally

                                      ok, annoying but why not

                                      but then how is DDG even worse 😭

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                                      • ocean@raru.reO ocean@raru.re

                                        You noticed how google search became unusably shit a few years ago?
                                        Turns out that was on purpose

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                                        #58

                                        @ocean Wendell of Level1Techs spoke about this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vMKm44ypFY

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                                        • ocean@raru.reO ocean@raru.re

                                          You noticed how google search became unusably shit a few years ago?
                                          Turns out that was on purpose

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                                          #59

                                          @ocean Even better, if you go back to the PageRank paper, they call it out in the appendix, pointing out that advertising definitionally means that you want to provide worse search results to get people to look at the result page again.

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