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You noticed how google search became unusably shit a few years ago

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  • paradox@raru.reP paradox@raru.re

    @lispi314
    Llm is always the first thing tried. You can ignore it.

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    #33
    @Paradox It seriously covers multiple pages at this point on the worst search-engines.

    Any topic that /isn't/ particularly niche suffers from it more.
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    • ocean@raru.reO ocean@raru.re

      You noticed how google search became unusably shit a few years ago?
      Turns out that was on purpose

      darwinwoodka@mastodon.socialD This user is from outside of this forum
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      #34

      @ocean

      duckduckgo ftw

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      • darwinwoodka@mastodon.socialD This user is from outside of this forum
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        #35

        @svenjacobs @ocean

        duckduckgo

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        • ocean@raru.reO ocean@raru.re

          You noticed how google search became unusably shit a few years ago?
          Turns out that was on purpose

          galamadryade@piaille.frG This user is from outside of this forum
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          #36

          @ocean That's why I now use duckduckgo. SO MUCH BETTER.

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          • ocean@raru.reO ocean@raru.re

            You noticed how google search became unusably shit a few years ago?
            Turns out that was on purpose

            delve@deadinsi.deD This user is from outside of this forum
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            #37

            @ocean Least surprising revelation of the year to be honest.

            I think the exact same thing is true of YouTube, which is so dominant that they can make it shittier every day and people will still use it.

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            • ocean@raru.reO ocean@raru.re

              You noticed how google search became unusably shit a few years ago?
              Turns out that was on purpose

              peterbrown@mastodon.scotP This user is from outside of this forum
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              #38

              @ocean “The study suggests that poor organic search results actually benefit Google's bottom line in two ways: they make paid advertisements more valuable to users seeking accurate information, and they force users to refine their searches multiple times, exposing them to more advertising in the process.”

              Aaargh!!

              (glad I’ve stopped using Google as a search engine)

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              • ocean@raru.reO ocean@raru.re

                You noticed how google search became unusably shit a few years ago?
                Turns out that was on purpose

                alpha1beta@libretweet.comA This user is from outside of this forum
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                #39

                @ocean is there a source on this?

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                • paradox@raru.reP paradox@raru.re

                  @ocean I need to understand what people are searching for and why the first page doesn't help them.
                  Cuz the only time I can't find something is because I don't really expect to find anything. Either cuz it's a very niche question or earlier when I tried to get a pdf/ebook of Harold and the Purple Crayon (still copyrighted I think, no straightforward download).

                  Like I believe people are having a hard time. I just can't tell from my experience.

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                  #40

                  @Paradox By the way: Never heard of “Harold and the Purple Crayon” before, but https://www.google.com/search?q=%22Harold+and+the+Purple+Crayon%22+PDF results in a PDF with a Hindi translation (including the English original, but black and white without purple) and a PDF with a version with additional graphic explanations for people with disabilities on the first search result page. … which probably is as good as it gets for a work still under copyright.

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                  • lispi314@udongein.xyzL lispi314@udongein.xyz
                    @Paradox It seriously covers multiple pages at this point on the worst search-engines.

                    Any topic that /isn't/ particularly niche suffers from it more.
                    heptasean@social.tchncs.deH This user is from outside of this forum
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                    #41

                    @lispi314 You are not only talking about the snippet from *Google's* LLM at the top of the search results, but also about the other results? Haven't had *that* many obviously LLM-generated, but perhaps my interests are just niche enough. @Paradox

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                    • ocean@raru.reO ocean@raru.re

                      You noticed how google search became unusably shit a few years ago?
                      Turns out that was on purpose

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                      #42

                      @ocean that's...actually diabolical.

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                      • heptasean@social.tchncs.deH heptasean@social.tchncs.de

                        @Paradox By the way: Never heard of “Harold and the Purple Crayon” before, but https://www.google.com/search?q=%22Harold+and+the+Purple+Crayon%22+PDF results in a PDF with a Hindi translation (including the English original, but black and white without purple) and a PDF with a version with additional graphic explanations for people with disabilities on the first search result page. … which probably is as good as it gets for a work still under copyright.

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                        #43

                        @HeptaSean
                        It's an old kid's book about a boy that explores the world while drawing it all with his crayon.

                        Thanks. ^_^

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                        • ocean@raru.reO ocean@raru.re

                          You noticed how google search became unusably shit a few years ago?
                          Turns out that was on purpose

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                          #44

                          @ocean right

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                          • ocean@raru.reO ocean@raru.re

                            You noticed how google search became unusably shit a few years ago?
                            Turns out that was on purpose

                            cassolotl@toot.walesC This user is from outside of this forum
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                            #45

                            @ocean Source: https://journalrecord.com/2025/02/20/is-google-making-search-worse-to-sell-more-ads/

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                            • heptasean@social.tchncs.deH heptasean@social.tchncs.de

                              @lispi314 You are not only talking about the snippet from *Google's* LLM at the top of the search results, but also about the other results? Haven't had *that* many obviously LLM-generated, but perhaps my interests are just niche enough. @Paradox

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                              #46
                              @HeptaSean @Paradox Not the snippet, no. Pages on other domains linked by the search engine results.

                              There's a certain... meandering meaninglessness to the text with a bunch of huge empty spaces on those sites (thanks adblockers) that's typical.

                              Oh sure, the meaningless nonsense also used to get written-up by humans before but I don't consider spam to be worth more when written by humans instead of autogenerated.
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                              • ocean@raru.reO ocean@raru.re

                                You noticed how google search became unusably shit a few years ago?
                                Turns out that was on purpose

                                mdione@en.osm.townM This user is from outside of this forum
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                                #47

                                @ocean where is this coming from? What's the source?

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                                • mikal@sfba.socialM mikal@sfba.social

                                  @ocean
                                  Ha! Knew it!
                                  Not long ago I pointed out to someone that in a way, worse search results meant more time scrolling and ergo more ad impressions, so it wouldn't at all surprise me if they quit bothering to improve.

                                  Fuckers. I'd assumed a sort of passive acceptance and laziness had led to degraded quality, but the fact that it was actually designed that way means there should be a "recall" of their product and they need to compensate me for all the wasted time before I finally gave up and went to DDG (which, IMO, has dropped significantly in quality since I started using it 🤔 ).

                                  Thing is, look at ANY online business that makes money off of ad impressions and there is an immediately obvious incentive to find ways to increase your scrolling time on the site. Not all are scummy grifters, of course, but when the incentive is there, someone is going to take advantage of it.

                                  anne_delong@musician.socialA This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  #48

                                  @Mikal @ocean

                                  Well, as with other companies, competition and product reviews are needed to link good service to profits. So maybe consumers should change up their search engines.

                                  Here's an article from PC Magazine that compares them:

                                  https://www.pcmag.com/picks/go-beyond-google-best-alternative-search-engines

                                  #searchengines

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                                  • ocean@raru.reO ocean@raru.re

                                    You noticed how google search became unusably shit a few years ago?
                                    Turns out that was on purpose

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                                    #49

                                    @ocean this big issue here is that everyone else's search is still worse

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                                    • ocean@raru.reO ocean@raru.re

                                      You noticed how google search became unusably shit a few years ago?
                                      Turns out that was on purpose

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                                      #50

                                      @ocean Nein!

                                      Doch.

                                      Oh...

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                                      • ocean@raru.reO ocean@raru.re

                                        You noticed how google search became unusably shit a few years ago?
                                        Turns out that was on purpose

                                        amazing_helenab@mastodon.socialA This user is from outside of this forum
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                                        #51

                                        @ocean 😡

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                                        • itamarst@hachyderm.ioI itamarst@hachyderm.io

                                          @ocean As predicted by Brin and Page: "we expect that advertising funded search engines will be inherently biased towards the advertisers and away from the needs of the consumers." (The Anatomy of a Large-Scale Hypertextual Web Search Engine, 1998 - http://infolab.stanford.edu/~backrub/google.html)

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                                          #52

                                          @itamarst @ocean That was back when Google pledged, and did, no evil. Since then they've told us they are going to be evil.

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