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  • pounce@types.plP pounce@types.pl

    @b0rk i always think hier(7) is really neat

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    #46

    @pounce Oooooh, today I learned! @b0rk

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    • nabnux@piaille.frN nabnux@piaille.fr

      @b0rk the one I've used the most is `man bash`, because it's not just a man page, it's the documentation for the whole scripting language!

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      #47

      @nabnux @b0rk many years ago I was told to read man bash. I referenced it many more times over the years. Mostly when scripting loops.

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      • b0rk@social.jvns.caB b0rk@social.jvns.ca

        @thatandromeda I have a hard time with them too, that's why I've been thinking about this

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        #48

        @b0rk @thatandromeda Often I pipe the output of `man` into `less`, then try to search for something like -n, which returns way too many results (e.g. mentions of that option before its definition). I wonder if a better `man` could be made that would let me search through an *index* of options instead of doing a full-text search.

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        • b0rk@social.jvns.caB b0rk@social.jvns.ca

          do you have a favourite man page? thinking of writing a short blog post exploring man pages and what makes a good one and I'd love some more examples

          my contribution: I think it's cool that `man curl` includes an example for every single option

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          #49

          @b0rk Why were example usages shunned by many man pages I'll never understand.

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          • technicaladept@techhub.socialT technicaladept@techhub.social

            @nabnux @b0rk many years ago I was told to read man bash. I referenced it many more times over the years. Mostly when scripting loops.

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            #50

            @technicaladept @nabnux i think for bash specifically I might prefer to use the html bash reference manual to reference the docs https://www.gnu.org/software/bash/manual/bash.html (which I believe has the same content but with better formatting)

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            • b0rk@social.jvns.caB b0rk@social.jvns.ca

              I think my favourite man page example so far is this rsync man page (via @shnizmuffin) https://www.man7.org/linux/man-pages/man1/rsync.1.html

              it gives examples BEFORE giving an exhaustive list of options!

              the synopsis just says "rsync [OPTION...] SRC... [DEST]" instead of giving you an exhaustive list of options like "-ABCFGHILOPRSTUWabcdefghiklmnopqrstuvwxy1%"!

              there's an "OPTION SUMMARY" section that gives you a 1-line summary of each option! (this feels SO SO much useful than the normal SYNOPSIS to me)

              (2/?)

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              #51

              @b0rk Special shout out to the official web address, since it's got hyperlinks on all the options:

              https://download.samba.org/pub/rsync/rsync.1

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              • b0rk@social.jvns.caB b0rk@social.jvns.ca

                I think my favourite man page example so far is this rsync man page (via @shnizmuffin) https://www.man7.org/linux/man-pages/man1/rsync.1.html

                it gives examples BEFORE giving an exhaustive list of options!

                the synopsis just says "rsync [OPTION...] SRC... [DEST]" instead of giving you an exhaustive list of options like "-ABCFGHILOPRSTUWabcdefghiklmnopqrstuvwxy1%"!

                there's an "OPTION SUMMARY" section that gives you a 1-line summary of each option! (this feels SO SO much useful than the normal SYNOPSIS to me)

                (2/?)

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                #52

                @b0rk @shnizmuffin Count on Apple to f*ck things up:

                NAME
                openrsync – synchronise local and remote files

                SYNOPSIS
                openrsync [-0468BCDEFHILOPRSTWVabcdefghiklmnopqrtuvxyz] [-e program]
                [-f filter] [--address=sourceaddr] [--append]
                [--backup-dir=directory] [--bwlimit=limit]
                [--cache | --no-cache] [--

                etc.

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                • b0rk@social.jvns.caB b0rk@social.jvns.ca

                  do you have a favourite man page? thinking of writing a short blog post exploring man pages and what makes a good one and I'd love some more examples

                  my contribution: I think it's cool that `man curl` includes an example for every single option

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                  #53

                  @b0rk

                  false (8) is my favourite

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                  • b0rk@social.jvns.caB b0rk@social.jvns.ca

                    do you have a favourite man page? thinking of writing a short blog post exploring man pages and what makes a good one and I'd love some more examples

                    my contribution: I think it's cool that `man curl` includes an example for every single option

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                    #54

                    @b0rk grindr (SORRY)

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                    • zx@chaos.socialZ zx@chaos.social

                      @b0rk

                      I have a soft spot for "man ascii"

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                      #55

                      @zx @b0rk Neat! Except that the data is in rows instead of columns, that's hard to read. I understand why, it's just a pity; so I'll still keep my ascii table printout taped to the wall 😉

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                      • b0rk@social.jvns.caB b0rk@social.jvns.ca

                        @d6 this is so cool, I've never looked at this before! makes me want to find out who wrote them.

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                        #56

                        @b0rk @d6 A cast of thousands, but I think Larry Wall and Tom Christiansen probably wrote a lot of it.

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                        • b0rk@social.jvns.caB b0rk@social.jvns.ca

                          do you have a favourite man page? thinking of writing a short blog post exploring man pages and what makes a good one and I'd love some more examples

                          my contribution: I think it's cool that `man curl` includes an example for every single option

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                          #57

                          @b0rk `man man` flashed me recently

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                          • b0rk@social.jvns.caB b0rk@social.jvns.ca

                            do you have a favourite man page? thinking of writing a short blog post exploring man pages and what makes a good one and I'd love some more examples

                            my contribution: I think it's cool that `man curl` includes an example for every single option

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                            #58

                            @b0rk I'm not sure, if I measure it by times I read it, it should be tar, but because of its number of options. Regarding the fun of reading it or the fact I'm confident I will find the information I need, none really qualify

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                            • b0rk@social.jvns.caB b0rk@social.jvns.ca

                              do you have a favourite man page? thinking of writing a short blog post exploring man pages and what makes a good one and I'd love some more examples

                              my contribution: I think it's cool that `man curl` includes an example for every single option

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                              #59

                              @b0rk I've always thought the jq man page is quite good. Lots of good examples

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                              • b0rk@social.jvns.caB b0rk@social.jvns.ca

                                @thatandromeda I have a hard time with them too, that's why I've been thinking about this

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                                #60

                                @b0rk @thatandromeda @fdroidorg has this app: https://f-droid.org/packages/wtf.technodisaster.tldr

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                                • b0rk@social.jvns.caB b0rk@social.jvns.ca

                                  do you have a favourite man page? thinking of writing a short blog post exploring man pages and what makes a good one and I'd love some more examples

                                  my contribution: I think it's cool that `man curl` includes an example for every single option

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                                  #61

                                  @b0rk
                                  I like section 7 in general - it can provide a good overview and tie together many different manpages relevant to a single topic that'd otherwise be hard to track down.

                                  If I have to pick one, I guess it's
                                  capabilities(7)

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                                  • benjamingeer@piaille.frB benjamingeer@piaille.fr

                                    @b0rk @thatandromeda Often I pipe the output of `man` into `less`, then try to search for something like -n, which returns way too many results (e.g. mentions of that option before its definition). I wonder if a better `man` could be made that would let me search through an *index* of options instead of doing a full-text search.

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                                    #62

                                    @benjamingeer @b0rk @thatandromeda What improved my experience greatly was configuring neovim as man page viewer.

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                                    • b0rk@social.jvns.caB b0rk@social.jvns.ca

                                      do you have a favourite man page? thinking of writing a short blog post exploring man pages and what makes a good one and I'd love some more examples

                                      my contribution: I think it's cool that `man curl` includes an example for every single option

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                                      #63

                                      @b0rk I was particularly surprised and happy seeing a code example in xscreensaver-command man page [1], which showcases the way it (xscreensaver-command -watch) can be integrated into the system doing some dynamic stuff.

                                      Despite it's Perl, which I can barely read, but it looked like a really nice addition.

                                      [1] https://www.jwz.org/xscreensaver/man3.html

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                                      • kastasmykolas@river.group.ltK kastasmykolas@river.group.lt

                                        @b0rk I was particularly surprised and happy seeing a code example in xscreensaver-command man page [1], which showcases the way it (xscreensaver-command -watch) can be integrated into the system doing some dynamic stuff.

                                        Despite it's Perl, which I can barely read, but it looked like a really nice addition.

                                        [1] https://www.jwz.org/xscreensaver/man3.html

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                                        #64

                                        @b0rk also, man ascii [1]. While being in misc category, puts the most important information into few different tables and a list. For more convenient exploration and search, in oct, hex, dec, and char representation. Which... fits everything in a single screen.

                                        [1] https://www.man7.org/linux/man-pages/man7/ascii.7.html

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                                        • b0rk@social.jvns.caB b0rk@social.jvns.ca

                                          do you have a favourite man page? thinking of writing a short blog post exploring man pages and what makes a good one and I'd love some more examples

                                          my contribution: I think it's cool that `man curl` includes an example for every single option

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                                          #65

                                          @b0rk Such a great page to point out. We all learn in different ways.

                                          I don't just want to be told how something works. Please _show_ me how it works.

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