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  • b0rk@social.jvns.caB b0rk@social.jvns.ca

    do you have a favourite man page? thinking of writing a short blog post exploring man pages and what makes a good one and I'd love some more examples

    my contribution: I think it's cool that `man curl` includes an example for every single option

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    @b0rk it's also my favourite hairstyle

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    • pounce@types.plP pounce@types.pl

      @b0rk i always think hier(7) is really neat

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      #39

      @pounce that's cool, I'd never seen that

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      • b0rk@social.jvns.caB b0rk@social.jvns.ca

        @shnizmuffin what do you like about it? (also: you mean this one right? https://linux.die.net/man/1/rsync)

        i like that it takes a different approach to the SYNOPSIS and puts examples before the comprehensive list of all options, I haven't seen that a lot

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        #40

        @b0rk It leads with examples from most common to least common, and sorts its many options following similar logic.

        It's basically ...

        1. WTF am I looking at. (--verbose et al)
        2. Sensible defaults (--archive)
        3. How do I change one thing (--no-OPTION)
        4. Filepath stuff
        5. Link stuff
        6. Permission stuff
        7. File metadata stuff
        8. Config stuff
        9. Filter stuff
        10. Shit one person needed once
        11. --human-readable
        12. please don't run forever
        13. --version, --help

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        • b0rk@social.jvns.caB b0rk@social.jvns.ca

          I think my favourite man page example so far is this rsync man page (via @shnizmuffin) https://www.man7.org/linux/man-pages/man1/rsync.1.html

          it gives examples BEFORE giving an exhaustive list of options!

          the synopsis just says "rsync [OPTION...] SRC... [DEST]" instead of giving you an exhaustive list of options like "-ABCFGHILOPRSTUWabcdefghiklmnopqrstuvwxy1%"!

          there's an "OPTION SUMMARY" section that gives you a 1-line summary of each option! (this feels SO SO much useful than the normal SYNOPSIS to me)

          (2/?)

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          #41

          @b0rk @shnizmuffin if something needs a solid man page, it's probably rsync. 😄

          Destroyer of files.
          With great power comes great responsibility.

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          • b0rk@social.jvns.caB b0rk@social.jvns.ca

            do you have a favourite man page? thinking of writing a short blog post exploring man pages and what makes a good one and I'd love some more examples

            my contribution: I think it's cool that `man curl` includes an example for every single option

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            #42

            @b0rk@jvns.ca i often work offline, so i like long and elaborate man pages that go into every absurd detail but also note in-program help mechanisms

            • nvim because it provides a jump start to :Tutor and :help quickref
            • zshall because it explains All the syntax
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            • b0rk@social.jvns.caB b0rk@social.jvns.ca

              do you have a favourite man page? thinking of writing a short blog post exploring man pages and what makes a good one and I'd love some more examples

              my contribution: I think it's cool that `man curl` includes an example for every single option

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              #43

              @b0rk In the attention to detail category, the BUG detailed in the NetBSD sleep(1) man page is a favourite:

              https://man.netbsd.org/sleep.1#BUGS

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              • shnizmuffin@toots.inbutts.lolS shnizmuffin@toots.inbutts.lol

                @b0rk It leads with examples from most common to least common, and sorts its many options following similar logic.

                It's basically ...

                1. WTF am I looking at. (--verbose et al)
                2. Sensible defaults (--archive)
                3. How do I change one thing (--no-OPTION)
                4. Filepath stuff
                5. Link stuff
                6. Permission stuff
                7. File metadata stuff
                8. Config stuff
                9. Filter stuff
                10. Shit one person needed once
                11. --human-readable
                12. please don't run forever
                13. --version, --help

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                #44

                @shnizmuffin i didn’t even notice the option sorting, that’s so good

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                • ludonaut@timetheft.socialL ludonaut@timetheft.social

                  @thomastc @b0rk glad to help 🙂

                  i regularly use that page to show the young ones at work why ^H (Ctrl-H) is backspace, ^I is tab and ^[ is literally escape, it's just a flipped bit in ascii (which i suspect is the reason the columns are laid out like that)

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                  #45

                  @ludonaut @thomastc @b0rk Is my memory making up things, or did there used to be an ebcdic(7) page as well at some time?

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                  • pounce@types.plP pounce@types.pl

                    @b0rk i always think hier(7) is really neat

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                    #46

                    @pounce Oooooh, today I learned! @b0rk

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                    • nabnux@piaille.frN nabnux@piaille.fr

                      @b0rk the one I've used the most is `man bash`, because it's not just a man page, it's the documentation for the whole scripting language!

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                      #47

                      @nabnux @b0rk many years ago I was told to read man bash. I referenced it many more times over the years. Mostly when scripting loops.

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                      • b0rk@social.jvns.caB b0rk@social.jvns.ca

                        @thatandromeda I have a hard time with them too, that's why I've been thinking about this

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                        #48

                        @b0rk @thatandromeda Often I pipe the output of `man` into `less`, then try to search for something like -n, which returns way too many results (e.g. mentions of that option before its definition). I wonder if a better `man` could be made that would let me search through an *index* of options instead of doing a full-text search.

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                        • b0rk@social.jvns.caB b0rk@social.jvns.ca

                          do you have a favourite man page? thinking of writing a short blog post exploring man pages and what makes a good one and I'd love some more examples

                          my contribution: I think it's cool that `man curl` includes an example for every single option

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                          #49

                          @b0rk Why were example usages shunned by many man pages I'll never understand.

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                          • technicaladept@techhub.socialT technicaladept@techhub.social

                            @nabnux @b0rk many years ago I was told to read man bash. I referenced it many more times over the years. Mostly when scripting loops.

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                            #50

                            @technicaladept @nabnux i think for bash specifically I might prefer to use the html bash reference manual to reference the docs https://www.gnu.org/software/bash/manual/bash.html (which I believe has the same content but with better formatting)

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                            • b0rk@social.jvns.caB b0rk@social.jvns.ca

                              I think my favourite man page example so far is this rsync man page (via @shnizmuffin) https://www.man7.org/linux/man-pages/man1/rsync.1.html

                              it gives examples BEFORE giving an exhaustive list of options!

                              the synopsis just says "rsync [OPTION...] SRC... [DEST]" instead of giving you an exhaustive list of options like "-ABCFGHILOPRSTUWabcdefghiklmnopqrstuvwxy1%"!

                              there's an "OPTION SUMMARY" section that gives you a 1-line summary of each option! (this feels SO SO much useful than the normal SYNOPSIS to me)

                              (2/?)

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                              #51

                              @b0rk Special shout out to the official web address, since it's got hyperlinks on all the options:

                              https://download.samba.org/pub/rsync/rsync.1

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                              • b0rk@social.jvns.caB b0rk@social.jvns.ca

                                I think my favourite man page example so far is this rsync man page (via @shnizmuffin) https://www.man7.org/linux/man-pages/man1/rsync.1.html

                                it gives examples BEFORE giving an exhaustive list of options!

                                the synopsis just says "rsync [OPTION...] SRC... [DEST]" instead of giving you an exhaustive list of options like "-ABCFGHILOPRSTUWabcdefghiklmnopqrstuvwxy1%"!

                                there's an "OPTION SUMMARY" section that gives you a 1-line summary of each option! (this feels SO SO much useful than the normal SYNOPSIS to me)

                                (2/?)

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                                #52

                                @b0rk @shnizmuffin Count on Apple to f*ck things up:

                                NAME
                                openrsync – synchronise local and remote files

                                SYNOPSIS
                                openrsync [-0468BCDEFHILOPRSTWVabcdefghiklmnopqrtuvxyz] [-e program]
                                [-f filter] [--address=sourceaddr] [--append]
                                [--backup-dir=directory] [--bwlimit=limit]
                                [--cache | --no-cache] [--

                                etc.

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                                • b0rk@social.jvns.caB b0rk@social.jvns.ca

                                  do you have a favourite man page? thinking of writing a short blog post exploring man pages and what makes a good one and I'd love some more examples

                                  my contribution: I think it's cool that `man curl` includes an example for every single option

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                                  #53

                                  @b0rk

                                  false (8) is my favourite

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                                  • b0rk@social.jvns.caB b0rk@social.jvns.ca

                                    do you have a favourite man page? thinking of writing a short blog post exploring man pages and what makes a good one and I'd love some more examples

                                    my contribution: I think it's cool that `man curl` includes an example for every single option

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                                    #54

                                    @b0rk grindr (SORRY)

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                                    • zx@chaos.socialZ zx@chaos.social

                                      @b0rk

                                      I have a soft spot for "man ascii"

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                                      #55

                                      @zx @b0rk Neat! Except that the data is in rows instead of columns, that's hard to read. I understand why, it's just a pity; so I'll still keep my ascii table printout taped to the wall 😉

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                                      • b0rk@social.jvns.caB b0rk@social.jvns.ca

                                        @d6 this is so cool, I've never looked at this before! makes me want to find out who wrote them.

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                                        #56

                                        @b0rk @d6 A cast of thousands, but I think Larry Wall and Tom Christiansen probably wrote a lot of it.

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                                        • b0rk@social.jvns.caB b0rk@social.jvns.ca

                                          do you have a favourite man page? thinking of writing a short blog post exploring man pages and what makes a good one and I'd love some more examples

                                          my contribution: I think it's cool that `man curl` includes an example for every single option

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                                          #57

                                          @b0rk `man man` flashed me recently

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