Love how every website now has a popup that tells you "our website is hot dogshit, download the app instead"

[arcticulate@toot.community]

@jwd630 @PavelASamsonov Selling me a premium subscription with Electron poison would make me instantly ignore any dialog or button giving me that option. However, if that subscription gave me access to a properly native app experience (UIKit or SwiftUI, no web views embedded), then I would consider subscribing if I enjoy the content and unsubscribing is easy.

[semitones@tiny.tilde.website]

@PavelASamsonov what's that saying, an app is just a website with a wrapper that strips your rights? I think @pluralistic says it better

[timwardcam@c.im]

@PavelASamsonov On some web sites Chrome has an "Install ..." button. I have no idea what this means, even after reading the help. It says something about a "web app" but I've no idea what that means either. What does installing a web site mean, and why might I want to do it?

[krnlg@mastodon.social]

@mwichary
It isn't in their interests to do that, of course. If everyone used web and PWAs, people could - shock horror - get out of the Apple/Google duopoly!
@PavelASamsonov

[vt52@ioc.exchange]

@mwichary @PavelASamsonov this is intentional on the part of Apple: PWAs compete with apps that ship in their app store, and they can't get a cut of that sweet sweet app revenue if folks can just install the PWA for free...

and since they don't allow non-safari browser engines, they can keep their stranglehold over platform behavior and make sure that even if PWAs are like... legally required to be a first-class construct, Apple can continue to nerf them so they're not able to be as good.

see also: https://open-web-advocacy.org/

[mcc@mastodon.social]

@paddyduke @PavelASamsonov "Wouldn't it be better if we were tracking you more aggressively?"

[bearbob@hachyderm.io]

@BillySmith @PavelASamsonov Which is kind of wild, considering what they can get already out of you using one of the common browsers…

[kos@stolat.town]

@PavelASamsonov and then the app asks you to accept cookies

[ertain@mast.linuxgamecast.com]

You get it, @PavelASamsonov

[foobarsoft@mastodon.social]

@PavelASamsonov I use an app to order from a restaurant because they will not keep me signed in.

It’s a web view.

That view asks to track me, in their own app. It’s asks to use my location. In their app. It tells me to sign in. *I AM*.

And yet somehow that’s still the better experience than just their site.

[ranvel@hachyderm.io]

@PavelASamsonov this is my favorite post from the past week

[aho@ioc.exchange]

@PavelASamsonov it's just annoying that you need a single site browser for everything nowadays, even my bank app is like this

[ryan@social.codefor.nl]

@PavelASamsonov yeah but now with the app they're able to suck way more PII from you.

[nev@status.nevillepark.ca]

@PavelASamsonov idea: sell a web browser as "what if you could read news stories, order delivery, shop, watch online streams, etc., ALL IN ONE APP?"

[darkghosthunter@mastodon.social]

@PavelASamsonov death of the Internet vibes.

[paczekzkimchi@wspanialy.eu]

@PavelASamsonov but the metrics from the app

[ghost_letters@fosstodon.org]

@TimWardCam @PavelASamsonov

It will add the site to your home screen. When you open it from the home screen it will have no URL bar. It can be styled a bit more.

A good portion of user will say "it is an app".

[777exi@tech.lgbt]

@PavelASamsonov Ehhh New York Times sucks anyways >_> They have done some corrupt shit like disparaging headlines against democratic candidates and that kind of thing. I think they ran something against Zohran Mamdani??!?! smh who even does that Zohran is like the best of us

[rythur@mastodon.social]

@PavelASamsonov

They're selling the smart phone CONCEPT.

[qgustavor@urusai.social]

@PavelASamsonov Well, they are not lying, it's really better... for them, as it makes it easier for them to get your data.