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  3. If you live outside of the United States,do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

If you live outside of the United States,do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

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  • dfs_comedy@mastodon.socialD dfs_comedy@mastodon.social

    @Em0nM4stodon I personally would feel no effects other than my Android phone not having access to Google services.

    I host my own email, my own chat server, my own videoconferencing software, and so on. I rely on nothing from Amazon or Microsoft and only non-critical things from Google.

    But you are right. Almost everyone else in my country would be in big trouble, and in the end, I would be too because I do rely on stores, hospitals, etc.

    me@social.jlamothe.netM This user is from outside of this forum
    me@social.jlamothe.netM This user is from outside of this forum
    me@social.jlamothe.net
    wrote sidst redigeret af
    #28
    @dfs_comedy @Em0nM4stodon Does your bank? Your local grocer? You may be shielded from direct effects, but it almost certainly would affect you in unexpected indirect ways.
    stekopf@mstdn.socialS dfs_comedy@mastodon.socialD 2 Replies Last reply
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    • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

      If you live outside of the United States,
      do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

      What would happen to your work?

      What would happen to your hospitals?

      What would happen to your emergency services?

      What would happen to your banks?

      Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

      What would happen?
      Is your country prepared?

      #DataSovereignty

      estibensito_@mastodon.socialE This user is from outside of this forum
      estibensito_@mastodon.socialE This user is from outside of this forum
      estibensito_@mastodon.social
      wrote sidst redigeret af
      #29

      @Em0nM4stodon here’s a complete and comprehensive list for those who are migrating to open source software to become digitally sovereign. Please do check out the whole website, it will be worth your time!

      https://european-alternatives.eu/alternatives-to

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      • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

        If you live outside of the United States,
        do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

        What would happen to your work?

        What would happen to your hospitals?

        What would happen to your emergency services?

        What would happen to your banks?

        Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

        What would happen?
        Is your country prepared?

        #DataSovereignty

        cmsdengl@mas.toC This user is from outside of this forum
        cmsdengl@mas.toC This user is from outside of this forum
        cmsdengl@mas.to
        wrote sidst redigeret af
        #30

        @Em0nM4stodon

        I wrote to my MP (UK) about this. I didn't get a sensible reply

        - My former employer ran MS servers. They would grind to a halt
        - Some UK hospitals were still using Windows XP - dead in the water
        - Emergency services and banks - don't know

        The whole country would be screwed

        You can also add the threat to close payment services like Visa, Mastercard and Paypal.

        stekopf@mstdn.socialS freci@piaille.frF rickd_card@socialbc.caR 3 Replies Last reply
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        • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

          If you live outside of the United States,
          do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

          What would happen to your work?

          What would happen to your hospitals?

          What would happen to your emergency services?

          What would happen to your banks?

          Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

          What would happen?
          Is your country prepared?

          #DataSovereignty

          worldtravelerall7@mastodon.worldW This user is from outside of this forum
          worldtravelerall7@mastodon.worldW This user is from outside of this forum
          worldtravelerall7@mastodon.world
          wrote sidst redigeret af
          #31

          @Em0nM4stodon

          🤔 i can't imagine this US govt would do that for the simple fact all those companies are currently bribing Dotard Tumor. if it happened, i'd assume it was a grift by Dotard to extract more bribes from them to turn it back on

          it would greatly affect clients

          personally:
          i use a degoogled Fairphone
          using LibreOffice for decades
          shopping for a Linux 2in1 laptop to fully ditch microsoft
          use Signal for video & most comms now
          switched to Proton mail
          I NEVER shop on Amazon

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          • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

            If you live outside of the United States,
            do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

            What would happen to your work?

            What would happen to your hospitals?

            What would happen to your emergency services?

            What would happen to your banks?

            Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

            What would happen?
            Is your country prepared?

            #DataSovereignty

            mast0d0nphan@beige.partyM This user is from outside of this forum
            mast0d0nphan@beige.partyM This user is from outside of this forum
            mast0d0nphan@beige.party
            wrote sidst redigeret af
            #32

            @Em0nM4stodon Say it with me now:

            The cloud is someone else's computer.

            nieuemma@mastodon.deN 1 Reply Last reply
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            • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

              If you live outside of the United States,
              do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

              What would happen to your work?

              What would happen to your hospitals?

              What would happen to your emergency services?

              What would happen to your banks?

              Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

              What would happen?
              Is your country prepared?

              #DataSovereignty

              xenophile@masto.hackers.townX This user is from outside of this forum
              xenophile@masto.hackers.townX This user is from outside of this forum
              xenophile@masto.hackers.town
              wrote sidst redigeret af
              #33

              @Em0nM4stodon lol and here i am working out what to do when the power and internet are cut 😉

              drwho@masto.hackers.townD 1 Reply Last reply
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              • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

                If you live outside of the United States,
                do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

                What would happen to your work?

                What would happen to your hospitals?

                What would happen to your emergency services?

                What would happen to your banks?

                Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

                What would happen?
                Is your country prepared?

                #DataSovereignty

                verenarupp@social.vivaldi.netV This user is from outside of this forum
                verenarupp@social.vivaldi.netV This user is from outside of this forum
                verenarupp@social.vivaldi.net
                wrote sidst redigeret af
                #34

                @Em0nM4stodon I brought this issue up at our yearly company council conference. My concerns were more or less brushed aside. "We can't move that many people to a different operating system", they said. "Our servers are safe", they said.

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                • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

                  If you live outside of the United States,
                  do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

                  What would happen to your work?

                  What would happen to your hospitals?

                  What would happen to your emergency services?

                  What would happen to your banks?

                  Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

                  What would happen?
                  Is your country prepared?

                  #DataSovereignty

                  miki@dragonscave.spaceM This user is from outside of this forum
                  miki@dragonscave.spaceM This user is from outside of this forum
                  miki@dragonscave.space
                  wrote sidst redigeret af
                  #35

                  @Em0nM4stodon @blotosmetek We're as prepared as the US is for China cutting off access to the products they manufacture. Or, in fact, as prepared as we are for that eventuality ourselves. There's a similar situation with Taiwan and chips, or the Netherlands and chipmaking machines. This is probably number 30 on our priority list right now.

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                  • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

                    If you live outside of the United States,
                    do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

                    What would happen to your work?

                    What would happen to your hospitals?

                    What would happen to your emergency services?

                    What would happen to your banks?

                    Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

                    What would happen?
                    Is your country prepared?

                    #DataSovereignty

                    derickr@phpc.socialD This user is from outside of this forum
                    derickr@phpc.socialD This user is from outside of this forum
                    derickr@phpc.social
                    wrote sidst redigeret af
                    #36

                    @Em0nM4stodon We (the UK) would be fucked.

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                    • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

                      If you live outside of the United States,
                      do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

                      What would happen to your work?

                      What would happen to your hospitals?

                      What would happen to your emergency services?

                      What would happen to your banks?

                      Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

                      What would happen?
                      Is your country prepared?

                      #DataSovereignty

                      hiphopheaven@mastodon.socialH This user is from outside of this forum
                      hiphopheaven@mastodon.socialH This user is from outside of this forum
                      hiphopheaven@mastodon.social
                      wrote sidst redigeret af
                      #37

                      @Em0nM4stodon that's why, we should have start cutting our relieve to the USA at least since the USA killed millions in vietnam

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                      • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

                        If you live outside of the United States,
                        do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

                        What would happen to your work?

                        What would happen to your hospitals?

                        What would happen to your emergency services?

                        What would happen to your banks?

                        Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

                        What would happen?
                        Is your country prepared?

                        #DataSovereignty

                        karel_kosnar@mastodonczech.czK This user is from outside of this forum
                        karel_kosnar@mastodonczech.czK This user is from outside of this forum
                        karel_kosnar@mastodonczech.cz
                        wrote sidst redigeret af
                        #38

                        @Em0nM4stodon in Czech republic is seznam.cz. many people use email, maps and other services from seznam. So no big deal for lot of people.

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                        • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

                          If you live outside of the United States,
                          do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

                          What would happen to your work?

                          What would happen to your hospitals?

                          What would happen to your emergency services?

                          What would happen to your banks?

                          Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

                          What would happen?
                          Is your country prepared?

                          #DataSovereignty

                          hiway@mastodon.socialH This user is from outside of this forum
                          hiway@mastodon.socialH This user is from outside of this forum
                          hiway@mastodon.social
                          wrote sidst redigeret af
                          #39

                          @Em0nM4stodon not sure about the bigger picture, but many govt offices use Linux. As far as what the incumbents think they need to function, we have great home made surveillance and identification/oppression systems already in place.

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                          • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

                            If you live outside of the United States,
                            do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

                            What would happen to your work?

                            What would happen to your hospitals?

                            What would happen to your emergency services?

                            What would happen to your banks?

                            Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

                            What would happen?
                            Is your country prepared?

                            #DataSovereignty

                            guigsy@mstdn.socialG This user is from outside of this forum
                            guigsy@mstdn.socialG This user is from outside of this forum
                            guigsy@mstdn.social
                            wrote sidst redigeret af
                            #40

                            @Em0nM4stodon You'll be hard pressed to find a business that doesn't use Google or MS desktop apps. A good chunk of businesses have their enterprise applications in US controlled cloud. And those that don't are often using third party apps and SaaS that rely on US cloud under the hood.

                            Basically, losing connections to Google, MS and AWS would shut down a country.

                            Which is why we need IT sovereignty... but it's not an easy problem to solve. US tech is ingrained deep!

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                            • cmsdengl@mas.toC cmsdengl@mas.to

                              @Em0nM4stodon

                              I wrote to my MP (UK) about this. I didn't get a sensible reply

                              - My former employer ran MS servers. They would grind to a halt
                              - Some UK hospitals were still using Windows XP - dead in the water
                              - Emergency services and banks - don't know

                              The whole country would be screwed

                              You can also add the threat to close payment services like Visa, Mastercard and Paypal.

                              stekopf@mstdn.socialS This user is from outside of this forum
                              stekopf@mstdn.socialS This user is from outside of this forum
                              stekopf@mstdn.social
                              wrote sidst redigeret af
                              #41

                              @cmsdengl

                              Wouldn't Windows XP computers unaffected? MS stopped support of this software long ago.
                              (but of course it's bad to still use XP)

                              @Em0nM4stodon

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                              • bubblegumyeti@mastodon.socialB bubblegumyeti@mastodon.social

                                @Em0nM4stodon i am pretty ok tbh, almost everything is stored in EU

                                guigsy@mstdn.socialG This user is from outside of this forum
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                                guigsy@mstdn.social
                                wrote sidst redigeret af
                                #42

                                @BubblegumYeti @Em0nM4stodon Stored in the EU provides almost zero protection. Your cloud is still run by a US company that WILL comply with US orders to exfiltrate your data and/or turn off the access.

                                benedikt_lauenburg@norden.socialB oyu_fka@mastodon.socialO 2 Replies Last reply
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                                • me@social.jlamothe.netM me@social.jlamothe.net
                                  @dfs_comedy @Em0nM4stodon Does your bank? Your local grocer? You may be shielded from direct effects, but it almost certainly would affect you in unexpected indirect ways.
                                  stekopf@mstdn.socialS This user is from outside of this forum
                                  stekopf@mstdn.socialS This user is from outside of this forum
                                  stekopf@mstdn.social
                                  wrote sidst redigeret af
                                  #43

                                  @me @Em0nM4stodon @dfs_comedy

                                  It's good to be as independent as possible personally, but we depend on so many services around us - Electricity? Hospitals? Ambulance Control Centre? Pharmacies etc.

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                                  • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

                                    If you live outside of the United States,
                                    do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

                                    What would happen to your work?

                                    What would happen to your hospitals?

                                    What would happen to your emergency services?

                                    What would happen to your banks?

                                    Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

                                    What would happen?
                                    Is your country prepared?

                                    #DataSovereignty

                                    rightsprung@c.imR This user is from outside of this forum
                                    rightsprung@c.imR This user is from outside of this forum
                                    rightsprung@c.im
                                    wrote sidst redigeret af
                                    #44

                                    @Em0nM4stodon

                                    I would assume cutting off Canada would result in our cutting off their oil, electric power, and uranium, each having its own immediate to long-term effect, basically making their data centres and clouds useless instantly.

                                    But we really do need (and I assume are planning) to disconnect our computing services from the unreliable rogue state.

                                    If not, we should be.

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                                    • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

                                      If you live outside of the United States,
                                      do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

                                      What would happen to your work?

                                      What would happen to your hospitals?

                                      What would happen to your emergency services?

                                      What would happen to your banks?

                                      Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

                                      What would happen?
                                      Is your country prepared?

                                      #DataSovereignty

                                      98percent@mastodon.nz9 This user is from outside of this forum
                                      98percent@mastodon.nz9 This user is from outside of this forum
                                      98percent@mastodon.nz
                                      wrote sidst redigeret af
                                      #45

                                      @Em0nM4stodon I live in New Zealand. The simple answer is no, we are not at all prepared.
                                      Our government has been touting new data centres that have been established here to give us data sovereignty. But guess who runs them? AWS and Microsoft, for two.
                                      Having the hardware on our soil is just an illusion of data sovereignty in my opinion (but I am not a tech expert).

                                      98percent@mastodon.nz9 thisislieven@c.imT 2 Replies Last reply
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                                      • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

                                        If you live outside of the United States,
                                        do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

                                        What would happen to your work?

                                        What would happen to your hospitals?

                                        What would happen to your emergency services?

                                        What would happen to your banks?

                                        Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

                                        What would happen?
                                        Is your country prepared?

                                        #DataSovereignty

                                        patrickobeirne@mastodon.ieP This user is from outside of this forum
                                        patrickobeirne@mastodon.ieP This user is from outside of this forum
                                        patrickobeirne@mastodon.ie
                                        wrote sidst redigeret af
                                        #46

                                        @Em0nM4stodon
                                        Fortunately the drive by the tech companies to make money is stronger than even DJT's vindictiveness.

                                        #uspol

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                                        • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

                                          If you live outside of the United States,
                                          do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

                                          What would happen to your work?

                                          What would happen to your hospitals?

                                          What would happen to your emergency services?

                                          What would happen to your banks?

                                          Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

                                          What would happen?
                                          Is your country prepared?

                                          #DataSovereignty

                                          ppxl@social.tchncs.deP This user is from outside of this forum
                                          ppxl@social.tchncs.deP This user is from outside of this forum
                                          ppxl@social.tchncs.de
                                          wrote sidst redigeret af
                                          #47

                                          @Em0nM4stodon oh God this would be awesome. Terrible at first for some but a blessing in disguise

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