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  3. If you live outside of the United States,do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

If you live outside of the United States,do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

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  • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

    If you live outside of the United States,
    do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

    What would happen to your work?

    What would happen to your hospitals?

    What would happen to your emergency services?

    What would happen to your banks?

    Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

    What would happen?
    Is your country prepared?

    #DataSovereignty

    iwein@mas.toI This user is from outside of this forum
    iwein@mas.toI This user is from outside of this forum
    iwein@mas.to
    wrote sidst redigeret af
    #22

    @Em0nM4stodon at @squads we are prepared, but it would still hurt badly. Some of our customers would be dead in weeks.

    Most people I spoke with about this risk don't see the merit of investing in a (from some perspectives) inferior backup solution that is never used and their people aren't trained on.

    It's like watching a slow motion disaster, but my sales skills are not enough to convince them to invest in mitigation. Hard to explain, because running a nextcloud instance that backs up a us cloud is really not that expensive. It's another story if you're fully locked into the likes of aws, Azure, Salesforce of course.

    That said, I also believe that it wouldn't be so easy for the regime to block whole countries. I expect them to target individual accounts like they did with ICC.

    Oh well, we can do the disaster recovery for those that survive such an attack I guess 😅

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    • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

      If you live outside of the United States,
      do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

      What would happen to your work?

      What would happen to your hospitals?

      What would happen to your emergency services?

      What would happen to your banks?

      Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

      What would happen?
      Is your country prepared?

      #DataSovereignty

      bredroll@mas.toB This user is from outside of this forum
      bredroll@mas.toB This user is from outside of this forum
      bredroll@mas.to
      wrote sidst redigeret af
      #23

      @Em0nM4stodon my ircd is ready and waiting for when teams goes offline (again)

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      • khleedril@cyberplace.socialK khleedril@cyberplace.social

        @Em0nM4stodon Nobody in the US is that stupid, right? Right?

        estibensito_@mastodon.socialE This user is from outside of this forum
        estibensito_@mastodon.socialE This user is from outside of this forum
        estibensito_@mastodon.social
        wrote sidst redigeret af
        #24

        @khleedril @Em0nM4stodon i’m sorry but I’m not counting on that.

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        • lina@tech.lgbtL lina@tech.lgbt

          @Em0nM4stodon oh dw the country runs on almost exclusively pirated copies of windows and ms office, the us govt won't be able to do anything about that /hj

          estibensito_@mastodon.socialE This user is from outside of this forum
          estibensito_@mastodon.socialE This user is from outside of this forum
          estibensito_@mastodon.social
          wrote sidst redigeret af
          #25

          @lina @Em0nM4stodon they can shut down all services including Security updates.

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          • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

            If you live outside of the United States,
            do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

            What would happen to your work?

            What would happen to your hospitals?

            What would happen to your emergency services?

            What would happen to your banks?

            Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

            What would happen?
            Is your country prepared?

            #DataSovereignty

            dfs_comedy@mastodon.socialD This user is from outside of this forum
            dfs_comedy@mastodon.socialD This user is from outside of this forum
            dfs_comedy@mastodon.social
            wrote sidst redigeret af
            #26

            @Em0nM4stodon I personally would feel no effects other than my Android phone not having access to Google services.

            I host my own email, my own chat server, my own videoconferencing software, and so on. I rely on nothing from Amazon or Microsoft and only non-critical things from Google.

            But you are right. Almost everyone else in my country would be in big trouble, and in the end, I would be too because I do rely on stores, hospitals, etc.

            me@social.jlamothe.netM 1 Reply Last reply
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            • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

              If you live outside of the United States,
              do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

              What would happen to your work?

              What would happen to your hospitals?

              What would happen to your emergency services?

              What would happen to your banks?

              Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

              What would happen?
              Is your country prepared?

              #DataSovereignty

              wahfo@meow.socialW This user is from outside of this forum
              wahfo@meow.socialW This user is from outside of this forum
              wahfo@meow.social
              wrote sidst redigeret af
              #27

              @Em0nM4stodon
              Thanks i was looking for more things to worry about 😅

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              • dfs_comedy@mastodon.socialD dfs_comedy@mastodon.social

                @Em0nM4stodon I personally would feel no effects other than my Android phone not having access to Google services.

                I host my own email, my own chat server, my own videoconferencing software, and so on. I rely on nothing from Amazon or Microsoft and only non-critical things from Google.

                But you are right. Almost everyone else in my country would be in big trouble, and in the end, I would be too because I do rely on stores, hospitals, etc.

                me@social.jlamothe.netM This user is from outside of this forum
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                me@social.jlamothe.net
                wrote sidst redigeret af
                #28
                @dfs_comedy @Em0nM4stodon Does your bank? Your local grocer? You may be shielded from direct effects, but it almost certainly would affect you in unexpected indirect ways.
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                • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

                  If you live outside of the United States,
                  do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

                  What would happen to your work?

                  What would happen to your hospitals?

                  What would happen to your emergency services?

                  What would happen to your banks?

                  Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

                  What would happen?
                  Is your country prepared?

                  #DataSovereignty

                  estibensito_@mastodon.socialE This user is from outside of this forum
                  estibensito_@mastodon.socialE This user is from outside of this forum
                  estibensito_@mastodon.social
                  wrote sidst redigeret af
                  #29

                  @Em0nM4stodon here’s a complete and comprehensive list for those who are migrating to open source software to become digitally sovereign. Please do check out the whole website, it will be worth your time!

                  https://european-alternatives.eu/alternatives-to

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                  • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

                    If you live outside of the United States,
                    do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

                    What would happen to your work?

                    What would happen to your hospitals?

                    What would happen to your emergency services?

                    What would happen to your banks?

                    Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

                    What would happen?
                    Is your country prepared?

                    #DataSovereignty

                    cmsdengl@mas.toC This user is from outside of this forum
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                    cmsdengl@mas.to
                    wrote sidst redigeret af
                    #30

                    @Em0nM4stodon

                    I wrote to my MP (UK) about this. I didn't get a sensible reply

                    - My former employer ran MS servers. They would grind to a halt
                    - Some UK hospitals were still using Windows XP - dead in the water
                    - Emergency services and banks - don't know

                    The whole country would be screwed

                    You can also add the threat to close payment services like Visa, Mastercard and Paypal.

                    stekopf@mstdn.socialS freci@piaille.frF rickd_card@socialbc.caR 3 Replies Last reply
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                    • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

                      If you live outside of the United States,
                      do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

                      What would happen to your work?

                      What would happen to your hospitals?

                      What would happen to your emergency services?

                      What would happen to your banks?

                      Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

                      What would happen?
                      Is your country prepared?

                      #DataSovereignty

                      worldtravelerall7@mastodon.worldW This user is from outside of this forum
                      worldtravelerall7@mastodon.worldW This user is from outside of this forum
                      worldtravelerall7@mastodon.world
                      wrote sidst redigeret af
                      #31

                      @Em0nM4stodon

                      🤔 i can't imagine this US govt would do that for the simple fact all those companies are currently bribing Dotard Tumor. if it happened, i'd assume it was a grift by Dotard to extract more bribes from them to turn it back on

                      it would greatly affect clients

                      personally:
                      i use a degoogled Fairphone
                      using LibreOffice for decades
                      shopping for a Linux 2in1 laptop to fully ditch microsoft
                      use Signal for video & most comms now
                      switched to Proton mail
                      I NEVER shop on Amazon

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                      • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

                        If you live outside of the United States,
                        do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

                        What would happen to your work?

                        What would happen to your hospitals?

                        What would happen to your emergency services?

                        What would happen to your banks?

                        Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

                        What would happen?
                        Is your country prepared?

                        #DataSovereignty

                        mast0d0nphan@beige.partyM This user is from outside of this forum
                        mast0d0nphan@beige.partyM This user is from outside of this forum
                        mast0d0nphan@beige.party
                        wrote sidst redigeret af
                        #32

                        @Em0nM4stodon Say it with me now:

                        The cloud is someone else's computer.

                        nieuemma@mastodon.deN 1 Reply Last reply
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                        • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

                          If you live outside of the United States,
                          do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

                          What would happen to your work?

                          What would happen to your hospitals?

                          What would happen to your emergency services?

                          What would happen to your banks?

                          Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

                          What would happen?
                          Is your country prepared?

                          #DataSovereignty

                          xenophile@masto.hackers.townX This user is from outside of this forum
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                          xenophile@masto.hackers.town
                          wrote sidst redigeret af
                          #33

                          @Em0nM4stodon lol and here i am working out what to do when the power and internet are cut 😉

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                          • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

                            If you live outside of the United States,
                            do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

                            What would happen to your work?

                            What would happen to your hospitals?

                            What would happen to your emergency services?

                            What would happen to your banks?

                            Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

                            What would happen?
                            Is your country prepared?

                            #DataSovereignty

                            verenarupp@social.vivaldi.netV This user is from outside of this forum
                            verenarupp@social.vivaldi.netV This user is from outside of this forum
                            verenarupp@social.vivaldi.net
                            wrote sidst redigeret af
                            #34

                            @Em0nM4stodon I brought this issue up at our yearly company council conference. My concerns were more or less brushed aside. "We can't move that many people to a different operating system", they said. "Our servers are safe", they said.

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                            • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

                              If you live outside of the United States,
                              do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

                              What would happen to your work?

                              What would happen to your hospitals?

                              What would happen to your emergency services?

                              What would happen to your banks?

                              Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

                              What would happen?
                              Is your country prepared?

                              #DataSovereignty

                              miki@dragonscave.spaceM This user is from outside of this forum
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                              miki@dragonscave.space
                              wrote sidst redigeret af
                              #35

                              @Em0nM4stodon @blotosmetek We're as prepared as the US is for China cutting off access to the products they manufacture. Or, in fact, as prepared as we are for that eventuality ourselves. There's a similar situation with Taiwan and chips, or the Netherlands and chipmaking machines. This is probably number 30 on our priority list right now.

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                              • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

                                If you live outside of the United States,
                                do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

                                What would happen to your work?

                                What would happen to your hospitals?

                                What would happen to your emergency services?

                                What would happen to your banks?

                                Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

                                What would happen?
                                Is your country prepared?

                                #DataSovereignty

                                derickr@phpc.socialD This user is from outside of this forum
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                                derickr@phpc.social
                                wrote sidst redigeret af
                                #36

                                @Em0nM4stodon We (the UK) would be fucked.

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                                • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

                                  If you live outside of the United States,
                                  do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

                                  What would happen to your work?

                                  What would happen to your hospitals?

                                  What would happen to your emergency services?

                                  What would happen to your banks?

                                  Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

                                  What would happen?
                                  Is your country prepared?

                                  #DataSovereignty

                                  hiphopheaven@mastodon.socialH This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  hiphopheaven@mastodon.social
                                  wrote sidst redigeret af
                                  #37

                                  @Em0nM4stodon that's why, we should have start cutting our relieve to the USA at least since the USA killed millions in vietnam

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                                  • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

                                    If you live outside of the United States,
                                    do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

                                    What would happen to your work?

                                    What would happen to your hospitals?

                                    What would happen to your emergency services?

                                    What would happen to your banks?

                                    Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

                                    What would happen?
                                    Is your country prepared?

                                    #DataSovereignty

                                    karel_kosnar@mastodonczech.czK This user is from outside of this forum
                                    karel_kosnar@mastodonczech.czK This user is from outside of this forum
                                    karel_kosnar@mastodonczech.cz
                                    wrote sidst redigeret af
                                    #38

                                    @Em0nM4stodon in Czech republic is seznam.cz. many people use email, maps and other services from seznam. So no big deal for lot of people.

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                                    • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

                                      If you live outside of the United States,
                                      do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

                                      What would happen to your work?

                                      What would happen to your hospitals?

                                      What would happen to your emergency services?

                                      What would happen to your banks?

                                      Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

                                      What would happen?
                                      Is your country prepared?

                                      #DataSovereignty

                                      hiway@mastodon.socialH This user is from outside of this forum
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                                      hiway@mastodon.social
                                      wrote sidst redigeret af
                                      #39

                                      @Em0nM4stodon not sure about the bigger picture, but many govt offices use Linux. As far as what the incumbents think they need to function, we have great home made surveillance and identification/oppression systems already in place.

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                                      • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

                                        If you live outside of the United States,
                                        do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

                                        What would happen to your work?

                                        What would happen to your hospitals?

                                        What would happen to your emergency services?

                                        What would happen to your banks?

                                        Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

                                        What would happen?
                                        Is your country prepared?

                                        #DataSovereignty

                                        guigsy@mstdn.socialG This user is from outside of this forum
                                        guigsy@mstdn.socialG This user is from outside of this forum
                                        guigsy@mstdn.social
                                        wrote sidst redigeret af
                                        #40

                                        @Em0nM4stodon You'll be hard pressed to find a business that doesn't use Google or MS desktop apps. A good chunk of businesses have their enterprise applications in US controlled cloud. And those that don't are often using third party apps and SaaS that rely on US cloud under the hood.

                                        Basically, losing connections to Google, MS and AWS would shut down a country.

                                        Which is why we need IT sovereignty... but it's not an easy problem to solve. US tech is ingrained deep!

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                                        • cmsdengl@mas.toC cmsdengl@mas.to

                                          @Em0nM4stodon

                                          I wrote to my MP (UK) about this. I didn't get a sensible reply

                                          - My former employer ran MS servers. They would grind to a halt
                                          - Some UK hospitals were still using Windows XP - dead in the water
                                          - Emergency services and banks - don't know

                                          The whole country would be screwed

                                          You can also add the threat to close payment services like Visa, Mastercard and Paypal.

                                          stekopf@mstdn.socialS This user is from outside of this forum
                                          stekopf@mstdn.socialS This user is from outside of this forum
                                          stekopf@mstdn.social
                                          wrote sidst redigeret af
                                          #41

                                          @cmsdengl

                                          Wouldn't Windows XP computers unaffected? MS stopped support of this software long ago.
                                          (but of course it's bad to still use XP)

                                          @Em0nM4stodon

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