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  3. I’ve been working on this for a while, but let’s make it official: I started a little Tumblr-like microblog about software craft and quality!

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  • mwichary@mastodon.onlineM mwichary@mastodon.online

    In which I celebrate the craft of Flickr’s original, amazing URL scheme: https://unsung.aresluna.org/unsung-heroes-flickrs-urls-scheme/

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    #62

    @mwichary It makes me happy to see that others care about URL.

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      #63

      @Ember Yeah, I agree that part is a bit muddy where every scheme has pros and cons. This one seems to indicate there is more hierarchy than there actually is…

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      • mez@mastodon.nzM mez@mastodon.nz

        @mwichary Regarding the note about adding a human friendly slug to the end of a URL, do you have a thought or preference to putting that part before the unique id?

        flickr.com/mwichary/sets/alishan-forest-railway-72177720330077904

        On an app I run I went with that style so the all the human readable bits could be typed and autocompleted. It does seem to be a little harder to read since it’s in the middle of the text though.

        For example: https://app.mythic.nz/book/public-storybooks/sharable-public-storybooks/v4dUmg8Jjk6LmQYQlqy6Pw

        `public-storybooks` is the collection slug, and `sharable-public-storybooks` is the page title slug.

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        #64

        @mez Good question. I don’t know! I naturally put it at the front but that might be because I only saw it that way. Interesting point about autocomplete!

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        • mwichary@mastodon.onlineM mwichary@mastodon.online

          In which I celebrate the craft of Flickr’s original, amazing URL scheme: https://unsung.aresluna.org/unsung-heroes-flickrs-urls-scheme/

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          #65

          @mwichary The idea of URLs as user interface elements is such a good take. I've seen some people use URLs as design/communications elements as well, like Jessica Hische:

          https://www.jessicahische.is/thinkingthoughts

          https://www.jessicahische.is/working

          https://jessicahische.is/anoversharer

          I love that approach. Modern browsers and preview cards often obscure URLs, but people still see these things; printed materials, links in emails, etc.

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          • mwichary@mastodon.onlineM mwichary@mastodon.online

            In which I celebrate the craft of Flickr’s original, amazing URL scheme: https://unsung.aresluna.org/unsung-heroes-flickrs-urls-scheme/

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            #66

            @mwichary this clean URI scheme is also why FlickrClient.py could support 68 methods of the Flickr API in just 48 lines of code. The core magic:

            def __getattr__(self, method):
            def method(_self=self, _method=method, **params):
            _method = _method.replace("_", ".")
            url = HOST + PATH + "?method=%s&%s&api_key=%s" %
            (_method, urlencode(params), self.api_key)
            try: rsp = xmltramp.load(url)
            except: return None
            return _self._parseResponse(rsp)
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            • mwichary@mastodon.onlineM mwichary@mastodon.online

              In which I celebrate the craft of Flickr’s original, amazing URL scheme: https://unsung.aresluna.org/unsung-heroes-flickrs-urls-scheme/

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              #67

              @mwichary Much agreement!

              There is plenty of prior art, some examples that I particularly remember:
              - 2010: https://warpspire.com/posts/url-design/
              - 2017: https://www.hanselman.com/blog/urls-are-ui
              - 2018: https://alexpounds.com/blog/2018/12/29/four-cool-urls

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              • polarbirke@indieweb.socialP polarbirke@indieweb.social

                @mwichary Much agreement!

                There is plenty of prior art, some examples that I particularly remember:
                - 2010: https://warpspire.com/posts/url-design/
                - 2017: https://www.hanselman.com/blog/urls-are-ui
                - 2018: https://alexpounds.com/blog/2018/12/29/four-cool-urls

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                #68

                @polarbirke Thanks for sharing!

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                • mwichary@mastodon.onlineM mwichary@mastodon.online

                  In which I celebrate the craft of Flickr’s original, amazing URL scheme: https://unsung.aresluna.org/unsung-heroes-flickrs-urls-scheme/

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                  #69

                  @mwichary I love the Flickr url pattern. You could not find a collections link with knowing the pattern.

                  I am fine with the unique id as shorter url. Also knowing where it is in a downloaded photo allows the secret url trick to find the original page https://cogdogblog.com/2015/10/flickr-trickr/

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                  • cogdog@cosocial.caC cogdog@cosocial.ca

                    @mwichary I love the Flickr url pattern. You could not find a collections link with knowing the pattern.

                    I am fine with the unique id as shorter url. Also knowing where it is in a downloaded photo allows the secret url trick to find the original page https://cogdogblog.com/2015/10/flickr-trickr/

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                    #70

                    @cogdog Whoa! This would’ve saved me so much trouble throughout the years.

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                    • mwichary@mastodon.onlineM mwichary@mastodon.online

                      In which I celebrate the craft of Flickr’s original, amazing URL scheme: https://unsung.aresluna.org/unsung-heroes-flickrs-urls-scheme/

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                      #71

                      @mwichary fwiw I wrote some of my favs a while back

                      https://blog.jim-nielsen.com/2023/examples-of-great-urls/

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                      • jimniels@mastodon.socialJ jimniels@mastodon.social

                        @mwichary fwiw I wrote some of my favs a while back

                        https://blog.jim-nielsen.com/2023/examples-of-great-urls/

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                        #72

                        @jimniels Thanks! Added here, maybe it helps someone! https://unsung.aresluna.org/mailbag-urls-as-ui/

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                        • mwichary@mastodon.onlineM mwichary@mastodon.online

                          @cogdog Whoa! This would’ve saved me so much trouble throughout the years.

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                          #73

                          @mwichary @cogdog One pattern I use a lot to locate my own images is for tags.

                          https://flickr.com/photos/splorp/tags/blue

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                          • splorp@mastodon.socialS splorp@mastodon.social

                            @mwichary @cogdog One pattern I use a lot to locate my own images is for tags.

                            https://flickr.com/photos/splorp/tags/blue

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                            #74

                            @splorp @mwichary @cogdog Slightly offtopic, but I still use `/photo.gne?id=` URL to find where I downloaded certain photos years ago: https://www.flickr.com/photo.gne?rb=1&id=3399133066

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                            • splorp@mastodon.socialS splorp@mastodon.social

                              @mwichary @cogdog One pattern I use a lot to locate my own images is for tags.

                              https://flickr.com/photos/splorp/tags/blue

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                              #75

                              @splorp @mwichary @cogdog look at that patina on that bus design. Just don’t look at the poorly applied window tint.

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                              • mx@typo.socialM mx@typo.social

                                @splorp @mwichary @cogdog Slightly offtopic, but I still use `/photo.gne?id=` URL to find where I downloaded certain photos years ago: https://www.flickr.com/photo.gne?rb=1&id=3399133066

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                                #76

                                @mx @mwichary @cogdog Just the fact that those legacy Game Neverending URIs still function after all this time is mind-blowing.

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                                • luke@typo.socialL luke@typo.social

                                  @splorp @mwichary @cogdog look at that patina on that bus design. Just don’t look at the poorly applied window tint.

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                                  #77

                                  @Luke @mwichary @cogdog Those air pockets make my teeth hurt.

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                                  • splorp@mastodon.socialS splorp@mastodon.social

                                    @mx @mwichary @cogdog Just the fact that those legacy Game Neverending URIs still function after all this time is mind-blowing.

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                                    #78

                                    @splorp @mx @cogdog Cool URIs Never End

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                                    • mwichary@mastodon.onlineM mwichary@mastodon.online

                                      @splorp @mx @cogdog Cool URIs Never End

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                                      #79

                                      @mwichary @splorp @mx @cogdog Just wanted to pipe up and mention that while the photo.gne trick isn't advertised it's known and so useful I even have a Launchbar search plugin for it.

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                                      • mez@mastodon.nzM mez@mastodon.nz

                                        @mwichary Regarding the note about adding a human friendly slug to the end of a URL, do you have a thought or preference to putting that part before the unique id?

                                        flickr.com/mwichary/sets/alishan-forest-railway-72177720330077904

                                        On an app I run I went with that style so the all the human readable bits could be typed and autocompleted. It does seem to be a little harder to read since it’s in the middle of the text though.

                                        For example: https://app.mythic.nz/book/public-storybooks/sharable-public-storybooks/v4dUmg8Jjk6LmQYQlqy6Pw

                                        `public-storybooks` is the collection slug, and `sharable-public-storybooks` is the page title slug.

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                                        #80

                                        @mez @mwichary

                                        Off the top of my head...

                                        ID first means the URL can survive truncation of the slug part. Particularly good if you can keep the prefix short.

                                        Slug first means URLs sort in alphabetical order by their slug. Maybe more suitable for small numbers of items, like a blog?

                                        ID first is also marginally easier to construct a URL by hand - you generally don't need to add a fake slug, just end the URL at the ID and it still meets the pattern

                                        Random example of slug-first that happened to be in my history:
                                        - canonical URL: https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/stargate-revived-prime-video-new-series-1236431118/
                                        - doesn't work with only ID: https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/1236431118/
                                        - works if you know the format and add a fake slug: https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/yeehaw-1236431118/

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                                        • imsop@tech.lgbtI imsop@tech.lgbt

                                          @mez @mwichary

                                          Off the top of my head...

                                          ID first means the URL can survive truncation of the slug part. Particularly good if you can keep the prefix short.

                                          Slug first means URLs sort in alphabetical order by their slug. Maybe more suitable for small numbers of items, like a blog?

                                          ID first is also marginally easier to construct a URL by hand - you generally don't need to add a fake slug, just end the URL at the ID and it still meets the pattern

                                          Random example of slug-first that happened to be in my history:
                                          - canonical URL: https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/stargate-revived-prime-video-new-series-1236431118/
                                          - doesn't work with only ID: https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/1236431118/
                                          - works if you know the format and add a fake slug: https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/yeehaw-1236431118/

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                                          #81

                                          @imsop @mez In theory a well-functioning URL bar/omnibox should handle both, so that’s somewhat reassuring.

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