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  • kirschner@mastodon.socialK This user is from outside of this forum
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    #1

    RE: https://gruene.social/@Gerbsen/116052492129846084

    Money transfer from the German Federal Administration to Microsoft:

    2023: 274.091.361,75 Euro
    2024: 347.665.579,71 Euro
    2025: 481.369.660,77 Euro

    (Source: German Parliament 21/4006 page 96 https://dserver.bundestag.de/btd/21/040/2104006.pdf )

    Daniel asks what #FreeSoftware #OpenSource could have been procured and developed with such sums and how you feel about when you see those numbers. He also fears this trend will continue.

    gwilymgj@mastodon.socialG mfeilner@mastodon.socialM pettet8@mastodon.socialP zikko@toot.catZ iusondemand@mastodon.unoI 18 Replies Last reply
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    • kirschner@mastodon.socialK kirschner@mastodon.social

      RE: https://gruene.social/@Gerbsen/116052492129846084

      Money transfer from the German Federal Administration to Microsoft:

      2023: 274.091.361,75 Euro
      2024: 347.665.579,71 Euro
      2025: 481.369.660,77 Euro

      (Source: German Parliament 21/4006 page 96 https://dserver.bundestag.de/btd/21/040/2104006.pdf )

      Daniel asks what #FreeSoftware #OpenSource could have been procured and developed with such sums and how you feel about when you see those numbers. He also fears this trend will continue.

      gwilymgj@mastodon.socialG This user is from outside of this forum
      gwilymgj@mastodon.socialG This user is from outside of this forum
      gwilymgj@mastodon.social
      wrote sidst redigeret af
      #2

      @kirschner I figured it would be a big number but WTF!

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      • kirschner@mastodon.socialK kirschner@mastodon.social

        RE: https://gruene.social/@Gerbsen/116052492129846084

        Money transfer from the German Federal Administration to Microsoft:

        2023: 274.091.361,75 Euro
        2024: 347.665.579,71 Euro
        2025: 481.369.660,77 Euro

        (Source: German Parliament 21/4006 page 96 https://dserver.bundestag.de/btd/21/040/2104006.pdf )

        Daniel asks what #FreeSoftware #OpenSource could have been procured and developed with such sums and how you feel about when you see those numbers. He also fears this trend will continue.

        mfeilner@mastodon.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
        mfeilner@mastodon.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
        mfeilner@mastodon.social
        wrote sidst redigeret af
        #3

        @kirschner #steuergeldexport

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        • kirschner@mastodon.socialK kirschner@mastodon.social

          RE: https://gruene.social/@Gerbsen/116052492129846084

          Money transfer from the German Federal Administration to Microsoft:

          2023: 274.091.361,75 Euro
          2024: 347.665.579,71 Euro
          2025: 481.369.660,77 Euro

          (Source: German Parliament 21/4006 page 96 https://dserver.bundestag.de/btd/21/040/2104006.pdf )

          Daniel asks what #FreeSoftware #OpenSource could have been procured and developed with such sums and how you feel about when you see those numbers. He also fears this trend will continue.

          pettet8@mastodon.socialP This user is from outside of this forum
          pettet8@mastodon.socialP This user is from outside of this forum
          pettet8@mastodon.social
          wrote sidst redigeret af
          #4

          @kirschner @Gerbsen

          Und sie benennen nicht die telemetry data die Microsoft bekomen hat gratis und was verwendet und verkauft wird..

          Genau, ein von die ursache das Denmark und Schlesswig-Holstein ihre behorden von Microsoft abholen und Open-source gehn.

          Auch in Frankreich sind die 600K Gendarmerie schon auf open-source.

          Die regierung had in 2024 ein open-source project gestarted und ab ende 2027 mussen 2.5 million beambten gewechselt haben. Source: https://lasuite.numerique.gouv.fr/

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          • kirschner@mastodon.socialK kirschner@mastodon.social

            RE: https://gruene.social/@Gerbsen/116052492129846084

            Money transfer from the German Federal Administration to Microsoft:

            2023: 274.091.361,75 Euro
            2024: 347.665.579,71 Euro
            2025: 481.369.660,77 Euro

            (Source: German Parliament 21/4006 page 96 https://dserver.bundestag.de/btd/21/040/2104006.pdf )

            Daniel asks what #FreeSoftware #OpenSource could have been procured and developed with such sums and how you feel about when you see those numbers. He also fears this trend will continue.

            zikko@toot.catZ This user is from outside of this forum
            zikko@toot.catZ This user is from outside of this forum
            zikko@toot.cat
            wrote sidst redigeret af
            #5

            @kirschner 460M€ => Senior Dev is about 100k€. This equals about 5000 Senior Devs, full time.

            I bet that amount of devs would make a lot of really, really good software.

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            • zikko@toot.catZ zikko@toot.cat

              @kirschner 460M€ => Senior Dev is about 100k€. This equals about 5000 Senior Devs, full time.

              I bet that amount of devs would make a lot of really, really good software.

              fajfer@mastodon.socialF This user is from outside of this forum
              fajfer@mastodon.socialF This user is from outside of this forum
              fajfer@mastodon.social
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              #6

              @zikko @kirschner and it's JUST Germany. Imagine if we pooled resources as the EU

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              • kirschner@mastodon.socialK kirschner@mastodon.social

                RE: https://gruene.social/@Gerbsen/116052492129846084

                Money transfer from the German Federal Administration to Microsoft:

                2023: 274.091.361,75 Euro
                2024: 347.665.579,71 Euro
                2025: 481.369.660,77 Euro

                (Source: German Parliament 21/4006 page 96 https://dserver.bundestag.de/btd/21/040/2104006.pdf )

                Daniel asks what #FreeSoftware #OpenSource could have been procured and developed with such sums and how you feel about when you see those numbers. He also fears this trend will continue.

                iusondemand@mastodon.unoI This user is from outside of this forum
                iusondemand@mastodon.unoI This user is from outside of this forum
                iusondemand@mastodon.uno
                wrote sidst redigeret af
                #7

                @kirschner thank you

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                • kirschner@mastodon.socialK kirschner@mastodon.social

                  RE: https://gruene.social/@Gerbsen/116052492129846084

                  Money transfer from the German Federal Administration to Microsoft:

                  2023: 274.091.361,75 Euro
                  2024: 347.665.579,71 Euro
                  2025: 481.369.660,77 Euro

                  (Source: German Parliament 21/4006 page 96 https://dserver.bundestag.de/btd/21/040/2104006.pdf )

                  Daniel asks what #FreeSoftware #OpenSource could have been procured and developed with such sums and how you feel about when you see those numbers. He also fears this trend will continue.

                  M This user is from outside of this forum
                  M This user is from outside of this forum
                  mvb19@mastodon.social
                  wrote sidst redigeret af
                  #8

                  @kirschner that will be 1B in 2 years time, wow. It doubles every 2 years.

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                  • kirschner@mastodon.socialK kirschner@mastodon.social

                    RE: https://gruene.social/@Gerbsen/116052492129846084

                    Money transfer from the German Federal Administration to Microsoft:

                    2023: 274.091.361,75 Euro
                    2024: 347.665.579,71 Euro
                    2025: 481.369.660,77 Euro

                    (Source: German Parliament 21/4006 page 96 https://dserver.bundestag.de/btd/21/040/2104006.pdf )

                    Daniel asks what #FreeSoftware #OpenSource could have been procured and developed with such sums and how you feel about when you see those numbers. He also fears this trend will continue.

                    unqualifiedtechbros@mastodon.socialU This user is from outside of this forum
                    unqualifiedtechbros@mastodon.socialU This user is from outside of this forum
                    unqualifiedtechbros@mastodon.social
                    wrote sidst redigeret af
                    #9

                    @kirschner
                    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/227390419_Against_Intellectual_Monopoly

                    Supporting intellectual monopoly which includes the likes of Microsoft, is supporting externalities which have devastating consequences for society.

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                    • kirschner@mastodon.socialK kirschner@mastodon.social

                      RE: https://gruene.social/@Gerbsen/116052492129846084

                      Money transfer from the German Federal Administration to Microsoft:

                      2023: 274.091.361,75 Euro
                      2024: 347.665.579,71 Euro
                      2025: 481.369.660,77 Euro

                      (Source: German Parliament 21/4006 page 96 https://dserver.bundestag.de/btd/21/040/2104006.pdf )

                      Daniel asks what #FreeSoftware #OpenSource could have been procured and developed with such sums and how you feel about when you see those numbers. He also fears this trend will continue.

                      lostprototype@mastodon.socialL This user is from outside of this forum
                      lostprototype@mastodon.socialL This user is from outside of this forum
                      lostprototype@mastodon.social
                      wrote sidst redigeret af
                      #10

                      @kirschner Brilliant question to be asking. And lays bare the lie of "build versus by".

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                      • fajfer@mastodon.socialF fajfer@mastodon.social

                        @zikko @kirschner and it's JUST Germany. Imagine if we pooled resources as the EU

                        danielswann@mastodon.socialD This user is from outside of this forum
                        danielswann@mastodon.socialD This user is from outside of this forum
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                        #11

                        @fajfer @zikko @kirschner and then factor in the cost/benefit of essentially *owning* vs *leasing*.

                        there was a time when this made sense, but now EU citizens are essentially paying for microsoft to play in the AI bubble

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                        • kirschner@mastodon.socialK kirschner@mastodon.social

                          RE: https://gruene.social/@Gerbsen/116052492129846084

                          Money transfer from the German Federal Administration to Microsoft:

                          2023: 274.091.361,75 Euro
                          2024: 347.665.579,71 Euro
                          2025: 481.369.660,77 Euro

                          (Source: German Parliament 21/4006 page 96 https://dserver.bundestag.de/btd/21/040/2104006.pdf )

                          Daniel asks what #FreeSoftware #OpenSource could have been procured and developed with such sums and how you feel about when you see those numbers. He also fears this trend will continue.

                          xs4me2@mastodon.socialX This user is from outside of this forum
                          xs4me2@mastodon.socialX This user is from outside of this forum
                          xs4me2@mastodon.social
                          wrote sidst redigeret af
                          #12

                          @kirschner

                          Utterly ridiculous indeed... imaging the amount of software, infrastructure, knowledge and jobs this could have led to in Europe... time for change!

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                          • kirschner@mastodon.socialK kirschner@mastodon.social

                            RE: https://gruene.social/@Gerbsen/116052492129846084

                            Money transfer from the German Federal Administration to Microsoft:

                            2023: 274.091.361,75 Euro
                            2024: 347.665.579,71 Euro
                            2025: 481.369.660,77 Euro

                            (Source: German Parliament 21/4006 page 96 https://dserver.bundestag.de/btd/21/040/2104006.pdf )

                            Daniel asks what #FreeSoftware #OpenSource could have been procured and developed with such sums and how you feel about when you see those numbers. He also fears this trend will continue.

                            ghostonthehalfshell@masto.aiG This user is from outside of this forum
                            ghostonthehalfshell@masto.aiG This user is from outside of this forum
                            ghostonthehalfshell@masto.ai
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                            #13

                            @kirschner

                            Imagine the lives of all the open source projects if they got just a few pennies from all that money

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                            • kirschner@mastodon.socialK kirschner@mastodon.social

                              RE: https://gruene.social/@Gerbsen/116052492129846084

                              Money transfer from the German Federal Administration to Microsoft:

                              2023: 274.091.361,75 Euro
                              2024: 347.665.579,71 Euro
                              2025: 481.369.660,77 Euro

                              (Source: German Parliament 21/4006 page 96 https://dserver.bundestag.de/btd/21/040/2104006.pdf )

                              Daniel asks what #FreeSoftware #OpenSource could have been procured and developed with such sums and how you feel about when you see those numbers. He also fears this trend will continue.

                              sonlight@mastodon.socialS This user is from outside of this forum
                              sonlight@mastodon.socialS This user is from outside of this forum
                              sonlight@mastodon.social
                              wrote sidst redigeret af
                              #14

                              @kirschner Whats all the payments for? They look more like covert donations in support of some dark agenda

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                              • kirschner@mastodon.socialK kirschner@mastodon.social

                                RE: https://gruene.social/@Gerbsen/116052492129846084

                                Money transfer from the German Federal Administration to Microsoft:

                                2023: 274.091.361,75 Euro
                                2024: 347.665.579,71 Euro
                                2025: 481.369.660,77 Euro

                                (Source: German Parliament 21/4006 page 96 https://dserver.bundestag.de/btd/21/040/2104006.pdf )

                                Daniel asks what #FreeSoftware #OpenSource could have been procured and developed with such sums and how you feel about when you see those numbers. He also fears this trend will continue.

                                sonlight@mastodon.socialS This user is from outside of this forum
                                sonlight@mastodon.socialS This user is from outside of this forum
                                sonlight@mastodon.social
                                wrote sidst redigeret af
                                #15

                                @kirschner Jaw Dropping big number lol. The financial Markets is Shocked

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                                • kirschner@mastodon.socialK kirschner@mastodon.social

                                  RE: https://gruene.social/@Gerbsen/116052492129846084

                                  Money transfer from the German Federal Administration to Microsoft:

                                  2023: 274.091.361,75 Euro
                                  2024: 347.665.579,71 Euro
                                  2025: 481.369.660,77 Euro

                                  (Source: German Parliament 21/4006 page 96 https://dserver.bundestag.de/btd/21/040/2104006.pdf )

                                  Daniel asks what #FreeSoftware #OpenSource could have been procured and developed with such sums and how you feel about when you see those numbers. He also fears this trend will continue.

                                  jesusmargar@mastodon.socialJ This user is from outside of this forum
                                  jesusmargar@mastodon.socialJ This user is from outside of this forum
                                  jesusmargar@mastodon.social
                                  wrote sidst redigeret af
                                  #16

                                  @kirschner Seeing this only as an open source /free software issue is missing the football, in my opinion. Most of that money won't be on software but on cloud services, servers and support. You may replace MS for open source versions but I doubt the costs would go down considerably and I am not sure how many companies would be able to step in at that level. The Government may have to do it by itself (which is possible, but would take time and serious investment).

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                                  • jesusmargar@mastodon.socialJ jesusmargar@mastodon.social

                                    @kirschner Seeing this only as an open source /free software issue is missing the football, in my opinion. Most of that money won't be on software but on cloud services, servers and support. You may replace MS for open source versions but I doubt the costs would go down considerably and I am not sure how many companies would be able to step in at that level. The Government may have to do it by itself (which is possible, but would take time and serious investment).

                                    jesusmargar@mastodon.socialJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    wrote sidst redigeret af
                                    #17

                                    @kirschner In an ideal world, you'd see the EU pulling resources together to replace it with an EU-based alternative, ideally publicly run and serving all 27 nations with possibility to export elsewhere, but that would take a few years to develop. I don't see it happening.

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                                    • kirschner@mastodon.socialK kirschner@mastodon.social

                                      RE: https://gruene.social/@Gerbsen/116052492129846084

                                      Money transfer from the German Federal Administration to Microsoft:

                                      2023: 274.091.361,75 Euro
                                      2024: 347.665.579,71 Euro
                                      2025: 481.369.660,77 Euro

                                      (Source: German Parliament 21/4006 page 96 https://dserver.bundestag.de/btd/21/040/2104006.pdf )

                                      Daniel asks what #FreeSoftware #OpenSource could have been procured and developed with such sums and how you feel about when you see those numbers. He also fears this trend will continue.

                                      alterelefant@mastodontech.deA This user is from outside of this forum
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                                      #18

                                      @kirschner And Microsoft will obviously not lower their prices now they have the customer onboard in their system. When it is extremely difficult and costly for your customer to leave you can basically ask any price you want.

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                                      • kirschner@mastodon.socialK kirschner@mastodon.social

                                        RE: https://gruene.social/@Gerbsen/116052492129846084

                                        Money transfer from the German Federal Administration to Microsoft:

                                        2023: 274.091.361,75 Euro
                                        2024: 347.665.579,71 Euro
                                        2025: 481.369.660,77 Euro

                                        (Source: German Parliament 21/4006 page 96 https://dserver.bundestag.de/btd/21/040/2104006.pdf )

                                        Daniel asks what #FreeSoftware #OpenSource could have been procured and developed with such sums and how you feel about when you see those numbers. He also fears this trend will continue.

                                        mray@social.tchncs.deM This user is from outside of this forum
                                        mray@social.tchncs.deM This user is from outside of this forum
                                        mray@social.tchncs.de
                                        wrote sidst redigeret af
                                        #19

                                        @kirschner A more visual representation of how #DigitalSovereignty is going:

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                                        • mray@social.tchncs.deM mray@social.tchncs.de

                                          @kirschner A more visual representation of how #DigitalSovereignty is going:

                                          purrperl@noc.socialP This user is from outside of this forum
                                          purrperl@noc.socialP This user is from outside of this forum
                                          purrperl@noc.social
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                                          #20

                                          @mray @kirschner

                                          EpsteinGate might bring Microsoft down.

                                          https://rant.li/ashwin/castles-made-of-sand

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