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  3. a friend of mine sent me these photos of an IBM MT/ST tape (magnetic tape / selectric typewriter).

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  • bitsavers@oldbytes.spaceB bitsavers@oldbytes.space

    @tubetime

    have you looked at the digidata mt/st tape reader documentation on bitsavers?

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    #22

    @bitsavers their logo is clever and looks just like the magnaview image.

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    • philcowans@universeodon.comP philcowans@universeodon.com

      @tubetime - do you have any idea of the age of the tape?

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      #23

      @philcowans probably 1970s.

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      • tubetime@mastodon.socialT tubetime@mastodon.social

        a friend of mine sent me these photos of an IBM MT/ST tape (magnetic tape / selectric typewriter). the third photo particularly fascinated me: it shows the flux transitions with a Magnaviewer! is it possible to decode? 🧵

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        #24

        @tubetime I will have to try and get a magnetic viewer someday, but they're not cheap

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        • tubetime@mastodon.socialT tubetime@mastodon.social

          oh i'm definitely on the right track (pun intended). it seems we have the phrase "The patient<CR><LF>r" encoded onto the tape! it's backwards, but that's ok. i'm also a bit surprised to see <CR><LF> but i guess that means the typewriter wasn't running Unix. IYKYK.

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          #25

          @tubetime you need to both bring the carriage back *and* move the paper one line 😅

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          • penguin42@mastodon.org.ukP penguin42@mastodon.org.uk

            @tubetime CR LF makes sense on a typewriter though - that's what the lever on a manual typewriter ends up doing, and it's not that uncommon to manually feed forward so do a LF without a CR.

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            #26

            @penguin42 @tubetime seems like the blank in the middle also makes sense if it's transcribed from (or merely some design bits are borrowed from) paper tape with a center tracking sprocket.

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            • mwichary@mastodon.onlineM mwichary@mastodon.online

              @tubetime Maybe the middle is the 8th bit? Rarely used?

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              #27

              @mwichary @tubetime I wonder if it's intended to be fit for mechanical transcription to some form of paper tape, without translation, and so it actually has to represent the tracking sprocket holes.

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              • vathpela@infosec.exchangeV vathpela@infosec.exchange

                @mwichary @tubetime I wonder if it's intended to be fit for mechanical transcription to some form of paper tape, without translation, and so it actually has to represent the tracking sprocket holes.

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                #28

                @vathpela @tubetime That’s exactly what I was thinking of, too!!!

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                • tubetime@mastodon.socialT tubetime@mastodon.social

                  a friend of mine sent me these photos of an IBM MT/ST tape (magnetic tape / selectric typewriter). the third photo particularly fascinated me: it shows the flux transitions with a Magnaviewer! is it possible to decode? 🧵

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                  #29

                  @tubetime @ShaulaEvans what?!?!

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                  • tubetime@mastodon.socialT tubetime@mastodon.social

                    @bitsavers no, i should probably do that. 😅

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                    #30

                    @tubetime @bitsavers

                    All the *kewl kids are doin' it 😎

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                    • mwichary@mastodon.onlineM mwichary@mastodon.online

                      @vathpela @tubetime That’s exactly what I was thinking of, too!!!

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                      #31

                      @mwichary @vathpela possible but also the documentation refers to a search bit, so presumably you could set a marker bit there.

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                      • carpetbomberz@mastodon.onlineC carpetbomberz@mastodon.online

                        @tubetime @bitsavers

                        All the *kewl kids are doin' it 😎

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                        #32

                        @carpetbomberz @tubetime

                        and thanks to @tubetime someone will have figured it out for them, assuming "doin' it" means reading old magtape selectric cartridges

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                        • bitsavers@oldbytes.spaceB bitsavers@oldbytes.space

                          @carpetbomberz @tubetime

                          and thanks to @tubetime someone will have figured it out for them, assuming "doin' it" means reading old magtape selectric cartridges

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                          #33

                          @bitsavers @tubetime

                          💯 that is what doin' it means in this context 👍️

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                          • tubetime@mastodon.socialT tubetime@mastodon.social

                            @mwichary @vathpela possible but also the documentation refers to a search bit, so presumably you could set a marker bit there.

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                            #34

                            @tubetime @mwichary making that a dedicated bit instead of a symbol sure seems weird.

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                            • tubetime@mastodon.socialT tubetime@mastodon.social

                              i've found what appears to be a code table! it's not really EBCDIC; other documentation refers to the reader having to translate the code.

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                              #35

                              @tubetime Interesting bit numbers. 1, 2, 2a(?), 5, 10, 20; maybe it was originally for a decimal system?

                              The * on the 2's Ck/Sft suggests it supports both uppercase and lowercase (lining/text?) digits which is interesting since there's no separate 1, so no way to encode "lowercase" 1.

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                              • tubetime@mastodon.socialT tubetime@mastodon.social

                                a friend of mine sent me these photos of an IBM MT/ST tape (magnetic tape / selectric typewriter). the third photo particularly fascinated me: it shows the flux transitions with a Magnaviewer! is it possible to decode? 🧵

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                                #36

                                @tubetime So is the MT/ST before or after the "Magcard Composer" which was basically a Selectric that could key in text and store it on what looked like a punch card but was covered with magnetic media. Then you'd put in the expensive mineral-coat paper and play it back to get a nice error-free galley that you could paste up into book form. Low end typesetting in the late 1970's ...

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                                • vathpela@infosec.exchangeV vathpela@infosec.exchange

                                  @tubetime @mwichary making that a dedicated bit instead of a symbol sure seems weird.

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                                  #37

                                  @vathpela @tubetime I don’t know what “search” is exactly and Internet Archive is down, but if it’s something like beginning of a new section, I can see the value of a separate hole – it could potentially allow to find sections faster (random access)?

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                                  • tubetime@mastodon.socialT tubetime@mastodon.social

                                    a friend of mine sent me these photos of an IBM MT/ST tape (magnetic tape / selectric typewriter). the third photo particularly fascinated me: it shows the flux transitions with a Magnaviewer! is it possible to decode? 🧵

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                                    #38

                                    @tubetime holy shit this is so cool

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                                    • acsawdey@fosstodon.orgA acsawdey@fosstodon.org

                                      @tubetime So is the MT/ST before or after the "Magcard Composer" which was basically a Selectric that could key in text and store it on what looked like a punch card but was covered with magnetic media. Then you'd put in the expensive mineral-coat paper and play it back to get a nice error-free galley that you could paste up into book form. Low end typesetting in the late 1970's ...

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                                      #39

                                      @acsawdey @tubetime I snagged a Magcard Selectric from a govt auction, back in the '80s. The giant magcard unit became a small side table to the desk, while the Selectric became our home typewriter. I loved typing on those beasts.

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                                      • tubetime@mastodon.socialT tubetime@mastodon.social

                                        a friend of mine sent me these photos of an IBM MT/ST tape (magnetic tape / selectric typewriter). the third photo particularly fascinated me: it shows the flux transitions with a Magnaviewer! is it possible to decode? 🧵

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                                        #40

                                        @tubetime ​ wie geil ist magnaviewer

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                                        • tubetime@mastodon.socialT tubetime@mastodon.social

                                          a friend of mine sent me these photos of an IBM MT/ST tape (magnetic tape / selectric typewriter). the third photo particularly fascinated me: it shows the flux transitions with a Magnaviewer! is it possible to decode? 🧵

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                                          #41

                                          @tubetime fun fact: Len Deighton’s historical fiction book “Bomber” was written on an MT/ST.

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