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  • aral@mastodon.ar.alA aral@mastodon.ar.al

    Needless to say, do not sign up for W or give them your ID information no matter how simple they eventually manage to make it.

    You simply don’t need to.

    You’re already in a far superior – non-corporate, federated – space.

    Do not sign up for W. And warn your friends.

    The only time you have any power to stop this is now. If they succeed in gaining network effects, you will be as powerless to stop them as you are with X.

    And yes, they’re just another venture capital funded surveillance capitalist, people farmer, and burgeoning Nazi Bar. They just happen to be based in the EU. (As Nazi Bars traditionally have been.)

    #WSocial #NoWNoX #surveillance #capitalism #BigTech #VC @_elena https://mastodon.social/@_elena/116770291207686239

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    #3

    @aral @_elena A lot of “sheep” will jump over the fence and in the end regret it or never know what happened

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    • aral@mastodon.ar.alA aral@mastodon.ar.al

      Needless to say, do not sign up for W or give them your ID information no matter how simple they eventually manage to make it.

      You simply don’t need to.

      You’re already in a far superior – non-corporate, federated – space.

      Do not sign up for W. And warn your friends.

      The only time you have any power to stop this is now. If they succeed in gaining network effects, you will be as powerless to stop them as you are with X.

      And yes, they’re just another venture capital funded surveillance capitalist, people farmer, and burgeoning Nazi Bar. They just happen to be based in the EU. (As Nazi Bars traditionally have been.)

      #WSocial #NoWNoX #surveillance #capitalism #BigTech #VC @_elena https://mastodon.social/@_elena/116770291207686239

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      #4

      @aral @_elena I love that the open source lock is barely open.

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      • izzyondroid@floss.socialI izzyondroid@floss.social

        @aral apart from which, this "advert" is misleading: "Open Source AT Protocol". Even if that's true – what about the rest of this "service"? Don't e.g. Google, MS & Co offer their siloed mail services, providing access via the "Open Source IMAP protocol"? What kind of argument is this – just picking a tiny screw to drop the term "Open Source" in? Apart from me also doubting the "privacy preserving", given you need to ID yourself without need just to be able to use it. @_elena

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        #5

        @IzzyOnDroid @aral @_elena@mastodon.social How long until someone circumvents the whole registration process with stolen credentials?

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        • aral@mastodon.ar.alA aral@mastodon.ar.al

          Needless to say, do not sign up for W or give them your ID information no matter how simple they eventually manage to make it.

          You simply don’t need to.

          You’re already in a far superior – non-corporate, federated – space.

          Do not sign up for W. And warn your friends.

          The only time you have any power to stop this is now. If they succeed in gaining network effects, you will be as powerless to stop them as you are with X.

          And yes, they’re just another venture capital funded surveillance capitalist, people farmer, and burgeoning Nazi Bar. They just happen to be based in the EU. (As Nazi Bars traditionally have been.)

          #WSocial #NoWNoX #surveillance #capitalism #BigTech #VC @_elena https://mastodon.social/@_elena/116770291207686239

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          #6

          @aral @_elena I saw one Finnish social media and brand marketing company making a blog post about W and how it's "a big opportunity for public discourse as a platform". Basically empty hype with no critical angle. I might as well send email to the writer and include links to Elena's posts about W.

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          • aral@mastodon.ar.alA aral@mastodon.ar.al

            Needless to say, do not sign up for W or give them your ID information no matter how simple they eventually manage to make it.

            You simply don’t need to.

            You’re already in a far superior – non-corporate, federated – space.

            Do not sign up for W. And warn your friends.

            The only time you have any power to stop this is now. If they succeed in gaining network effects, you will be as powerless to stop them as you are with X.

            And yes, they’re just another venture capital funded surveillance capitalist, people farmer, and burgeoning Nazi Bar. They just happen to be based in the EU. (As Nazi Bars traditionally have been.)

            #WSocial #NoWNoX #surveillance #capitalism #BigTech #VC @_elena https://mastodon.social/@_elena/116770291207686239

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            #7

            @aral Why stop it? Everyone seeks out their own hell. Let them get on with it. I like seeing them suffer. Everyone can see that when von der Leyen’s there, ‘Humans Only’ isn’t true anyway. I'll go and get some popcorn.

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            • aral@mastodon.ar.alA aral@mastodon.ar.al

              Needless to say, do not sign up for W or give them your ID information no matter how simple they eventually manage to make it.

              You simply don’t need to.

              You’re already in a far superior – non-corporate, federated – space.

              Do not sign up for W. And warn your friends.

              The only time you have any power to stop this is now. If they succeed in gaining network effects, you will be as powerless to stop them as you are with X.

              And yes, they’re just another venture capital funded surveillance capitalist, people farmer, and burgeoning Nazi Bar. They just happen to be based in the EU. (As Nazi Bars traditionally have been.)

              #WSocial #NoWNoX #surveillance #capitalism #BigTech #VC @_elena https://mastodon.social/@_elena/116770291207686239

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              #8

              @aral @_elena That's really embarrassing, for any European.

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              • aral@mastodon.ar.alA aral@mastodon.ar.al

                Needless to say, do not sign up for W or give them your ID information no matter how simple they eventually manage to make it.

                You simply don’t need to.

                You’re already in a far superior – non-corporate, federated – space.

                Do not sign up for W. And warn your friends.

                The only time you have any power to stop this is now. If they succeed in gaining network effects, you will be as powerless to stop them as you are with X.

                And yes, they’re just another venture capital funded surveillance capitalist, people farmer, and burgeoning Nazi Bar. They just happen to be based in the EU. (As Nazi Bars traditionally have been.)

                #WSocial #NoWNoX #surveillance #capitalism #BigTech #VC @_elena https://mastodon.social/@_elena/116770291207686239

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                wrote sidst redigeret af
                #9

                @aral @_elena
                I took a peak on Wedium (the insta/tiktok euro competitor) because I always like to test stuff instead of just criticizing. I wanted to test a post, first thing I got asked was to identify with webID. Uninstalled it and deleted the email alias I created for it. 😅

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                • berserked_pt@masto.ptB berserked_pt@masto.pt

                  @aral @_elena
                  I took a peak on Wedium (the insta/tiktok euro competitor) because I always like to test stuff instead of just criticizing. I wanted to test a post, first thing I got asked was to identify with webID. Uninstalled it and deleted the email alias I created for it. 😅

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                  wrote sidst redigeret af
                  #10

                  @BerserkEd_PT they had huge security issues recently (EXIF data being leaked). @Katika wrote about this I think? (I can't find the toot)

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                  • aral@mastodon.ar.alA aral@mastodon.ar.al

                    Needless to say, do not sign up for W or give them your ID information no matter how simple they eventually manage to make it.

                    You simply don’t need to.

                    You’re already in a far superior – non-corporate, federated – space.

                    Do not sign up for W. And warn your friends.

                    The only time you have any power to stop this is now. If they succeed in gaining network effects, you will be as powerless to stop them as you are with X.

                    And yes, they’re just another venture capital funded surveillance capitalist, people farmer, and burgeoning Nazi Bar. They just happen to be based in the EU. (As Nazi Bars traditionally have been.)

                    #WSocial #NoWNoX #surveillance #capitalism #BigTech #VC @_elena https://mastodon.social/@_elena/116770291207686239

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                    #11

                    @aral @_elena and beside that AT proto is not privacy friendly.

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                    • aral@mastodon.ar.alA aral@mastodon.ar.al

                      Needless to say, do not sign up for W or give them your ID information no matter how simple they eventually manage to make it.

                      You simply don’t need to.

                      You’re already in a far superior – non-corporate, federated – space.

                      Do not sign up for W. And warn your friends.

                      The only time you have any power to stop this is now. If they succeed in gaining network effects, you will be as powerless to stop them as you are with X.

                      And yes, they’re just another venture capital funded surveillance capitalist, people farmer, and burgeoning Nazi Bar. They just happen to be based in the EU. (As Nazi Bars traditionally have been.)

                      #WSocial #NoWNoX #surveillance #capitalism #BigTech #VC @_elena https://mastodon.social/@_elena/116770291207686239

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                      wrote sidst redigeret af
                      #12

                      @aral @_elena

                      I think there would be reasonable use case for this tool, not for social networking but as replacement for schools and institutions that presently rely on GAFAM services.

                      Instead of having school communications on Telegram or Whatsapp, having an institutional channel would be much better.

                      Beside that, the best part of social networking is to stay anonymous and interact with unknown people, not for misbehaving, but rather to speak freely.

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                      • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

                        @BerserkEd_PT they had huge security issues recently (EXIF data being leaked). @Katika wrote about this I think? (I can't find the toot)

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                        wrote sidst redigeret af
                        #13

                        @_elena @Katika even if didn't had a leak I wouldn't do it, in my opinion the more info a person delivers, the bigger risk of a leak. If ID ends up something needed for all networks, it will be when I simply delete them all 🤣

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                        • aral@mastodon.ar.alA aral@mastodon.ar.al

                          Needless to say, do not sign up for W or give them your ID information no matter how simple they eventually manage to make it.

                          You simply don’t need to.

                          You’re already in a far superior – non-corporate, federated – space.

                          Do not sign up for W. And warn your friends.

                          The only time you have any power to stop this is now. If they succeed in gaining network effects, you will be as powerless to stop them as you are with X.

                          And yes, they’re just another venture capital funded surveillance capitalist, people farmer, and burgeoning Nazi Bar. They just happen to be based in the EU. (As Nazi Bars traditionally have been.)

                          #WSocial #NoWNoX #surveillance #capitalism #BigTech #VC @_elena https://mastodon.social/@_elena/116770291207686239

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                          wrote sidst redigeret af
                          #14

                          @aral @_elena My favourite von der Leyen moment.

                          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaSqb1ckLt4

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                          • aral@mastodon.ar.alA aral@mastodon.ar.al

                            Needless to say, do not sign up for W or give them your ID information no matter how simple they eventually manage to make it.

                            You simply don’t need to.

                            You’re already in a far superior – non-corporate, federated – space.

                            Do not sign up for W. And warn your friends.

                            The only time you have any power to stop this is now. If they succeed in gaining network effects, you will be as powerless to stop them as you are with X.

                            And yes, they’re just another venture capital funded surveillance capitalist, people farmer, and burgeoning Nazi Bar. They just happen to be based in the EU. (As Nazi Bars traditionally have been.)

                            #WSocial #NoWNoX #surveillance #capitalism #BigTech #VC @_elena https://mastodon.social/@_elena/116770291207686239

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                            wrote sidst redigeret af
                            #15

                            @aral @_elena Also anything, ANYTHING, promoted by ziovonderleyer ita a NO, NO,NO.
                            #UECorrupt

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                            • glaswolf@mastodon.scotG glaswolf@mastodon.scot

                              @aral @_elena My favourite von der Leyen moment.

                              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaSqb1ckLt4

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                              #16

                              @GlasWolf @aral @_elena Never forget, never forgive what she is.

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                              • aral@mastodon.ar.alA aral@mastodon.ar.al

                                Needless to say, do not sign up for W or give them your ID information no matter how simple they eventually manage to make it.

                                You simply don’t need to.

                                You’re already in a far superior – non-corporate, federated – space.

                                Do not sign up for W. And warn your friends.

                                The only time you have any power to stop this is now. If they succeed in gaining network effects, you will be as powerless to stop them as you are with X.

                                And yes, they’re just another venture capital funded surveillance capitalist, people farmer, and burgeoning Nazi Bar. They just happen to be based in the EU. (As Nazi Bars traditionally have been.)

                                #WSocial #NoWNoX #surveillance #capitalism #BigTech #VC @_elena https://mastodon.social/@_elena/116770291207686239

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                                whasdah@mastodon.social
                                wrote sidst redigeret af
                                #17

                                @aral @_elena I don't really understand the tone of your comments for this European initiative. I'm surely not saying this is the right answer but if #mastodon is so far more superior, why weren't there more efforts past two years to make it really sustainable. Relying on goodwilling citizens time, effort and money to keep up instances, is not the answer. By doing so, unfortunately, it's doomed to stay on the side, because you know, none of the people I know are here too. The #EU ís, by the way.

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                                • aral@mastodon.ar.alA aral@mastodon.ar.al

                                  Needless to say, do not sign up for W or give them your ID information no matter how simple they eventually manage to make it.

                                  You simply don’t need to.

                                  You’re already in a far superior – non-corporate, federated – space.

                                  Do not sign up for W. And warn your friends.

                                  The only time you have any power to stop this is now. If they succeed in gaining network effects, you will be as powerless to stop them as you are with X.

                                  And yes, they’re just another venture capital funded surveillance capitalist, people farmer, and burgeoning Nazi Bar. They just happen to be based in the EU. (As Nazi Bars traditionally have been.)

                                  #WSocial #NoWNoX #surveillance #capitalism #BigTech #VC @_elena https://mastodon.social/@_elena/116770291207686239

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                                  wrote sidst redigeret af
                                  #18

                                  @aral @_elena I am not sure if my trolling will be helpful, but:

                                  I would never even heard about W if not for your statuses here. Just saying...

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                                  • aral@mastodon.ar.alA aral@mastodon.ar.al

                                    Needless to say, do not sign up for W or give them your ID information no matter how simple they eventually manage to make it.

                                    You simply don’t need to.

                                    You’re already in a far superior – non-corporate, federated – space.

                                    Do not sign up for W. And warn your friends.

                                    The only time you have any power to stop this is now. If they succeed in gaining network effects, you will be as powerless to stop them as you are with X.

                                    And yes, they’re just another venture capital funded surveillance capitalist, people farmer, and burgeoning Nazi Bar. They just happen to be based in the EU. (As Nazi Bars traditionally have been.)

                                    #WSocial #NoWNoX #surveillance #capitalism #BigTech #VC @_elena https://mastodon.social/@_elena/116770291207686239

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                                    wrote sidst redigeret af
                                    #19

                                    @aral @_elena W Social triggers the "good" old face-to-face artificial compliance via "real-ID" check Anonymity is not a bug to fix but a part of our human evolution For 35 years nicknames have protected the raw "I am" by letting oppressed thoughts & feelings be expressed After 2 generations of digital scars the 3rd generation will be developing immunity Identifying both the trolls & the oppressed victims of societal norms May the 3rd generation be allowed to be itself, not a puppet

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                                    • xchaos@f.czX xchaos@f.cz

                                      @aral @_elena I am not sure if my trolling will be helpful, but:

                                      I would never even heard about W if not for your statuses here. Just saying...

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                                      #20

                                      @xChaos @aral the European Commission is openly embracing W Social and von der Leyen took time out of her G7 meetings to promote W!

                                      This is not a drill.

                                      I think the EC sees this as a trial run for a possible mandatory social media age verification across the European Union. We must pay attention and resist.

                                      This is an existential threat to the Fediverse as a whole (which doesn't have systems in place to comply with age verification).

                                      RESIST & SPEAK UP

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                                      • aral@mastodon.ar.alA aral@mastodon.ar.al

                                        Needless to say, do not sign up for W or give them your ID information no matter how simple they eventually manage to make it.

                                        You simply don’t need to.

                                        You’re already in a far superior – non-corporate, federated – space.

                                        Do not sign up for W. And warn your friends.

                                        The only time you have any power to stop this is now. If they succeed in gaining network effects, you will be as powerless to stop them as you are with X.

                                        And yes, they’re just another venture capital funded surveillance capitalist, people farmer, and burgeoning Nazi Bar. They just happen to be based in the EU. (As Nazi Bars traditionally have been.)

                                        #WSocial #NoWNoX #surveillance #capitalism #BigTech #VC @_elena https://mastodon.social/@_elena/116770291207686239

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                                        #21

                                        @aral@mastodon.ar.al im gonna be honest, if someone saw “🇪🇺 European!” listed as a selling point for a social networking website, and actually found that more appealing than the Fediverse rather than repulsive, i would not stop them. They should sign up for W. They should join the fellow white supremacists on that website, they should join the EU nationalists on the Certified Aryan Social Network. i do not want them on my fedi they can go away

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                                        • whasdah@mastodon.socialW whasdah@mastodon.social

                                          @aral @_elena I don't really understand the tone of your comments for this European initiative. I'm surely not saying this is the right answer but if #mastodon is so far more superior, why weren't there more efforts past two years to make it really sustainable. Relying on goodwilling citizens time, effort and money to keep up instances, is not the answer. By doing so, unfortunately, it's doomed to stay on the side, because you know, none of the people I know are here too. The #EU ís, by the way.

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                                          wrote sidst redigeret af
                                          #22

                                          @whasdah @aral @_elena
                                          I disagree with your "not the answer" argument. I think goodwill is THE main ingredient of all good things.

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