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We've been getting a lot of questions about how the Internet Archive digitizes books.

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  • montgomerygator@fouroclockfarms.clubM montgomerygator@fouroclockfarms.club

    @internetarchive I saw a machine that uses a light vacuum to hold the page to the scanner and just kinda scans as it turns the page. There really was no reason for Amazon to destroy books.

    Thanks Eliza, your work will ensure preservation for generations to come.

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    #18

    @MontgomeryGator @internetarchive

    Yeah, I've seen ones that turn the pages with a little vaccuum arm and also ones that have a "wedge" shaped scanner that kind of plunges into the half open book and scans as it moves the pages.

    Not saying we should put archivists like Eliza out of a job, but making their jobs easier and less tedious is an actual good case for automation.

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    • internetarchive@mastodon.archive.orgI internetarchive@mastodon.archive.org

      We've been getting a lot of questions about how the Internet Archive digitizes books.

      The short answer: page by page, by hand.

      You may remember our viral 2021 video of Eliza Zhang scanning a book. That's still how we do it.

      Meet Eliza, and learn how we scan books: https://blog.archive.org/2021/02/09/meet-eliza-zhang-book-scanner-and-viral-video-star/

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      #19

      @internetarchive I absolutely love that scanning rig. I want one now. Do you have a design or specs available?

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      • internetarchive@mastodon.archive.orgI internetarchive@mastodon.archive.org

        We've been getting a lot of questions about how the Internet Archive digitizes books.

        The short answer: page by page, by hand.

        You may remember our viral 2021 video of Eliza Zhang scanning a book. That's still how we do it.

        Meet Eliza, and learn how we scan books: https://blog.archive.org/2021/02/09/meet-eliza-zhang-book-scanner-and-viral-video-star/

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        #20

        @internetarchive

        The difference between the Internet Archive and the AI jack offs, is that Brewster loves books.

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        • internetarchive@mastodon.archive.orgI internetarchive@mastodon.archive.org

          We've been getting a lot of questions about how the Internet Archive digitizes books.

          The short answer: page by page, by hand.

          You may remember our viral 2021 video of Eliza Zhang scanning a book. That's still how we do it.

          Meet Eliza, and learn how we scan books: https://blog.archive.org/2021/02/09/meet-eliza-zhang-book-scanner-and-viral-video-star/

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          #21

          @internetarchive

          AI bros destroy books because it's cheaper than scanning them non-destructively.
          AI bros steal potable water from municipalities because it's cheaper than aircooling servers.

          Something something sharpen the (metaphorical) guillotines, already.

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          • internetarchive@mastodon.archive.orgI internetarchive@mastodon.archive.org

            We've been getting a lot of questions about how the Internet Archive digitizes books.

            The short answer: page by page, by hand.

            You may remember our viral 2021 video of Eliza Zhang scanning a book. That's still how we do it.

            Meet Eliza, and learn how we scan books: https://blog.archive.org/2021/02/09/meet-eliza-zhang-book-scanner-and-viral-video-star/

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            #22

            @internetarchive Amazing! I operated a scanner, and yeah, it requires patience and a delicate touch -- especially when dealing with historic documents! Thank you for sharing this! (And yeah, watching the scanner operator footage was so #ASMR for me. Bring that back? Please?)

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            • internetarchive@mastodon.archive.orgI internetarchive@mastodon.archive.org

              We've been getting a lot of questions about how the Internet Archive digitizes books.

              The short answer: page by page, by hand.

              You may remember our viral 2021 video of Eliza Zhang scanning a book. That's still how we do it.

              Meet Eliza, and learn how we scan books: https://blog.archive.org/2021/02/09/meet-eliza-zhang-book-scanner-and-viral-video-star/

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              #23

              @internetarchive and not destroying them in the process for shady legal reasons... amazing.

              Thanks for your work !! 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏

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              • internetarchive@mastodon.archive.orgI internetarchive@mastodon.archive.org

                We've been getting a lot of questions about how the Internet Archive digitizes books.

                The short answer: page by page, by hand.

                You may remember our viral 2021 video of Eliza Zhang scanning a book. That's still how we do it.

                Meet Eliza, and learn how we scan books: https://blog.archive.org/2021/02/09/meet-eliza-zhang-book-scanner-and-viral-video-star/

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                #24

                @internetarchive
                Seriously, fuck the muskrat for this and cease-and-desist-ing nitter.

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                • internetarchive@mastodon.archive.orgI internetarchive@mastodon.archive.org

                  We've been getting a lot of questions about how the Internet Archive digitizes books.

                  The short answer: page by page, by hand.

                  You may remember our viral 2021 video of Eliza Zhang scanning a book. That's still how we do it.

                  Meet Eliza, and learn how we scan books: https://blog.archive.org/2021/02/09/meet-eliza-zhang-book-scanner-and-viral-video-star/

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                  #25

                  @internetarchive

                  Because guillotines weren’t meant for books!

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                  • internetarchive@mastodon.archive.orgI internetarchive@mastodon.archive.org

                    We've been getting a lot of questions about how the Internet Archive digitizes books.

                    The short answer: page by page, by hand.

                    You may remember our viral 2021 video of Eliza Zhang scanning a book. That's still how we do it.

                    Meet Eliza, and learn how we scan books: https://blog.archive.org/2021/02/09/meet-eliza-zhang-book-scanner-and-viral-video-star/

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                    #26

                    @internetarchive gods bless all of you for the work you do

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                    • rl_dane@polymaths.socialR rl_dane@polymaths.social

                      @internetarchive

                      AI bros destroy books because it's cheaper than scanning them non-destructively.
                      AI bros steal potable water from municipalities because it's cheaper than aircooling servers.

                      Something something sharpen the (metaphorical) guillotines, already.

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                      #27

                      @rl_dane @internetarchive I guess they have a point there. We should start thinking like them. For humanity it would be cheaper to use guilliotines... on biollionares

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                      • internetarchive@mastodon.archive.orgI internetarchive@mastodon.archive.org

                        We've been getting a lot of questions about how the Internet Archive digitizes books.

                        The short answer: page by page, by hand.

                        You may remember our viral 2021 video of Eliza Zhang scanning a book. That's still how we do it.

                        Meet Eliza, and learn how we scan books: https://blog.archive.org/2021/02/09/meet-eliza-zhang-book-scanner-and-viral-video-star/

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                        #28

                        @internetarchive
                        And this is how the bad guys do it: https://www.forbes.com/sites/maryroeloffs/2026/08/17/ai-companies-are-buying-and-destroying-antique-books-heres-why/

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                        • internetarchive@mastodon.archive.orgI internetarchive@mastodon.archive.org

                          We've been getting a lot of questions about how the Internet Archive digitizes books.

                          The short answer: page by page, by hand.

                          You may remember our viral 2021 video of Eliza Zhang scanning a book. That's still how we do it.

                          Meet Eliza, and learn how we scan books: https://blog.archive.org/2021/02/09/meet-eliza-zhang-book-scanner-and-viral-video-star/

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                          #29

                          There's something charming about the meticulous process of scanning books by hand; it feels like a nod to the care that goes into preserving stories for future readers.

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                          • internetarchive@mastodon.archive.orgI internetarchive@mastodon.archive.org

                            We've been getting a lot of questions about how the Internet Archive digitizes books.

                            The short answer: page by page, by hand.

                            You may remember our viral 2021 video of Eliza Zhang scanning a book. That's still how we do it.

                            Meet Eliza, and learn how we scan books: https://blog.archive.org/2021/02/09/meet-eliza-zhang-book-scanner-and-viral-video-star/

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                            #30

                            @internetarchive Oh wow. That's a pretty neat scanner. And I find it impossible to believe it's more efficient to rip books apart when a thing like this exists... They just didn't care enough to look.

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                            • internetarchive@mastodon.archive.orgI internetarchive@mastodon.archive.org

                              We've been getting a lot of questions about how the Internet Archive digitizes books.

                              The short answer: page by page, by hand.

                              You may remember our viral 2021 video of Eliza Zhang scanning a book. That's still how we do it.

                              Meet Eliza, and learn how we scan books: https://blog.archive.org/2021/02/09/meet-eliza-zhang-book-scanner-and-viral-video-star/

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                              #31

                              @internetarchive the patience of an absolute saint!

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                              • internetarchive@mastodon.archive.orgI internetarchive@mastodon.archive.org

                                We've been getting a lot of questions about how the Internet Archive digitizes books.

                                The short answer: page by page, by hand.

                                You may remember our viral 2021 video of Eliza Zhang scanning a book. That's still how we do it.

                                Meet Eliza, and learn how we scan books: https://blog.archive.org/2021/02/09/meet-eliza-zhang-book-scanner-and-viral-video-star/

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                                #32

                                @internetarchive@mastodon.archive.org so cool

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                                • internetarchive@mastodon.archive.orgI internetarchive@mastodon.archive.org

                                  We've been getting a lot of questions about how the Internet Archive digitizes books.

                                  The short answer: page by page, by hand.

                                  You may remember our viral 2021 video of Eliza Zhang scanning a book. That's still how we do it.

                                  Meet Eliza, and learn how we scan books: https://blog.archive.org/2021/02/09/meet-eliza-zhang-book-scanner-and-viral-video-star/

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                                  #33

                                  @internetarchive as someone who has had to scan books many times in grad school…that machine is beautiful and I am immensely envious I never got to use one

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                                  • internetarchive@mastodon.archive.orgI internetarchive@mastodon.archive.org

                                    We've been getting a lot of questions about how the Internet Archive digitizes books.

                                    The short answer: page by page, by hand.

                                    You may remember our viral 2021 video of Eliza Zhang scanning a book. That's still how we do it.

                                    Meet Eliza, and learn how we scan books: https://blog.archive.org/2021/02/09/meet-eliza-zhang-book-scanner-and-viral-video-star/

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                                    #34

                                    @internetarchive

                                    weird, that there is no destructive way to scan automatically

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                                    • gloriouscow@oldbytes.spaceG gloriouscow@oldbytes.space

                                      @internetarchive

                                      Amazing work but please please please stop using MRC in PDFs.

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                                      #35

                                      @gloriouscow @internetarchive Whats MRC? Shouldn't those pdf be in pdf/A? Preferably in pfd/A-2a.

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                                      • hammerwell@troet.cafeH hammerwell@troet.cafe

                                        @gloriouscow @internetarchive Whats MRC? Shouldn't those pdf be in pdf/A? Preferably in pfd/A-2a.

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                                        @Hammerwell @internetarchive

                                        MRC is a compression technique ("Mixed Raster Content").

                                        It basically lifts the text off a graphic onto its own layer, stores it as 1bpp which can be compressed as such, then the underlying graphic, now complete with text-shaped holes in it, can then be compressed with jpeg or something.

                                        the problem is whatever workflow IA uses to do this dials compression to all the way to maximum which results in 1bpp text over a smeary, unreadable mess

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                                        • gloriouscow@oldbytes.spaceG gloriouscow@oldbytes.space

                                          @Hammerwell @internetarchive

                                          MRC is a compression technique ("Mixed Raster Content").

                                          It basically lifts the text off a graphic onto its own layer, stores it as 1bpp which can be compressed as such, then the underlying graphic, now complete with text-shaped holes in it, can then be compressed with jpeg or something.

                                          the problem is whatever workflow IA uses to do this dials compression to all the way to maximum which results in 1bpp text over a smeary, unreadable mess

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                                          #37

                                          @Hammerwell @internetarchive

                                          here's an actual example.

                                          the left is from a Google Books scan. The right is from IA:

                                          imo this severely undermines IA's mission to preserve our history and there's a metric shit ton of content on IA that unfortunately probably needs to be reprocessed if not rescanned.

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