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Yesterday, I heard for the first time people outside of the tech echo chamber talking about AI.

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  • jwdt@mastodon.socialJ jwdt@mastodon.social

    @ehproque @chiffchaff @GossiTheDog like writing all those boring documents that nobody reads but need to exist for some nonsense compliance reason... until they get read in a court case and suddenly they're really important.

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    #18

    @jwdt @chiffchaff @GossiTheDog yeah, I used to work at an organisation that kept millions of raw logs "just in case" and built a tool to make them readable. Guess what was in them…

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    • bemmesr@mastodon.socialB bemmesr@mastodon.social

      @hadon @GossiTheDog right. And there is a big difference between the 'AI' which helps with medical diagnoses and the 'AI' that produces confident-sounding text about almost anything, even when that text is wrong.

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      #19

      @bemmesr @hadon @GossiTheDog I agree.

      The "AI" that is used in medical fields is subject to stronger criteria, is not fed the entire internet, and given very specific things to look for/analyse/etc. Niche tools can do a better job than one that tries to do everything.

      Plus, have you seen the crap us humans put on the internet? No wonder the "AI" in the broad-spectrum sense is shit...

      Add the fact that "AI" cannot distinguish between truth and satire, just makes it worse.

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      • zed@mstdn.partyZ zed@mstdn.party

        @GossiTheDog whenever my dad is about to lose a political or religious argument with me via text, the next message I receive is an extremely long copy/paste response from chatGPT full of logical fallacies.

        It’s annoying AF.

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        #20

        @zed wow.. That's really sad @GossiTheDog

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        • gulfie@mastodonapp.ukG gulfie@mastodonapp.uk

          @GossiTheDog I’ve been looking at a new TV recently and noticed that those TVs without any form of assistant included are a substantial amount more than those with. I’ll pay the extra, thanks (and my TV won’t have a network connection either).

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          #21

          @GossiTheDog @gulfie you could always just buy a display screen, they generally don't have any embedded software or native platform built in...

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          • gossithedog@cyberplace.socialG gossithedog@cyberplace.social

            Yesterday, I heard for the first time people outside of the tech echo chamber talking about AI.

            It was my dad asking how to remove Gemini from his phone, as he didn’t want it. Then somebody else asked how to remove Copilot from their TV. That was the entire conversation about GenAI - how to disable it.

            I don’t see how that is equivalent to inventing the internet, as AI founders claim they have.

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            #22

            @GossiTheDog i've been seeing this with students, too - a lot perceive as a layer on top of their notmal process that gets in the way, just an extra confirm box to skip through. Even for beginners ai looks like feature bloat.

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            • gossithedog@cyberplace.socialG gossithedog@cyberplace.social

              Yesterday, I heard for the first time people outside of the tech echo chamber talking about AI.

              It was my dad asking how to remove Gemini from his phone, as he didn’t want it. Then somebody else asked how to remove Copilot from their TV. That was the entire conversation about GenAI - how to disable it.

              I don’t see how that is equivalent to inventing the internet, as AI founders claim they have.

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              #23

              @GossiTheDog A lot of tech people hate it too, and can't wait for the bubble to burst.

              I keep seeing adverts for new laptops "powered by AI", and cannot think of a less attractive selling point.

              All the devs on my team have gone from "This could really speed up development" to "This creates so much extra work because there is no intelligence there, they're all just sycophantic predictive text generators".

              When working with codebases, the AIs really struggle with context. They often provide outdated solutions, introduce technical debt and often add three bugs for every bug fixed. We have stopped using AI completely. No "vibe coding" crap allowed here.

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              • mossyrua@mastodon.ieM mossyrua@mastodon.ie

                @GossiTheDog

                Best way to keep new AI off your tech equipment is to buy older tech equipment second hand!

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                #24

                @mossyrua @GossiTheDog don't connect t appliances to a network
                Use Linux on your computers

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                • gossithedog@cyberplace.socialG gossithedog@cyberplace.social

                  Yesterday, I heard for the first time people outside of the tech echo chamber talking about AI.

                  It was my dad asking how to remove Gemini from his phone, as he didn’t want it. Then somebody else asked how to remove Copilot from their TV. That was the entire conversation about GenAI - how to disable it.

                  I don’t see how that is equivalent to inventing the internet, as AI founders claim they have.

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                  #25

                  @GossiTheDog time to cede control

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                  • gossithedog@cyberplace.socialG gossithedog@cyberplace.social

                    Yesterday, I heard for the first time people outside of the tech echo chamber talking about AI.

                    It was my dad asking how to remove Gemini from his phone, as he didn’t want it. Then somebody else asked how to remove Copilot from their TV. That was the entire conversation about GenAI - how to disable it.

                    I don’t see how that is equivalent to inventing the internet, as AI founders claim they have.

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                    #26

                    @GossiTheDog ROLFMAO

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                    • richrockster@mastodon.socialR richrockster@mastodon.social

                      @bemmesr @hadon @GossiTheDog I agree.

                      The "AI" that is used in medical fields is subject to stronger criteria, is not fed the entire internet, and given very specific things to look for/analyse/etc. Niche tools can do a better job than one that tries to do everything.

                      Plus, have you seen the crap us humans put on the internet? No wonder the "AI" in the broad-spectrum sense is shit...

                      Add the fact that "AI" cannot distinguish between truth and satire, just makes it worse.

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                      #27

                      @richrockster @bemmesr @hadon @GossiTheDog

                      That's the point. Medical (or other specialist) AI are feed scientific data. Generalist AI like Gemini, ChatGPT, etc are feed... 4chan, Reddit, etc.

                      Not your best source on anything, really 🙂

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                      • gossithedog@cyberplace.socialG gossithedog@cyberplace.social

                        Yesterday, I heard for the first time people outside of the tech echo chamber talking about AI.

                        It was my dad asking how to remove Gemini from his phone, as he didn’t want it. Then somebody else asked how to remove Copilot from their TV. That was the entire conversation about GenAI - how to disable it.

                        I don’t see how that is equivalent to inventing the internet, as AI founders claim they have.

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                        #28

                        @GossiTheDog
                        those executives actually renamed that business

                        its now
                        microAIsoftAI365AIcopilotAIAIAI

                        the last AI is for all the ads they put in the menus

                        the AI before is for the gigabytes of bloatware

                        copilot is slang for surveillance capitalism/spying

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                        • fragarach@social.vivaldi.netF fragarach@social.vivaldi.net

                          @GossiTheDog

                          They're sneaky about it though. I use Outlook on my Samsung phone, and while I can disable CoPilot on the Microslop accounts, it keeps turning itself back on.
                          May have to just move to Thunderbird.

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                          #29

                          @Fragarach @GossiTheDog Corporate said to my wife to use Outlook. I saw the ads disguised as real mails and immediately got into action "let's use Thunderbird instead". No one complained (yet).

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                          • zed@mstdn.partyZ zed@mstdn.party

                            @GossiTheDog whenever my dad is about to lose a political or religious argument with me via text, the next message I receive is an extremely long copy/paste response from chatGPT full of logical fallacies.

                            It’s annoying AF.

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                            #30

                            @zed @GossiTheDog Tell him you won’t read something that nobody bothered to write.

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                            • twit_terrorist@mastodont.catT twit_terrorist@mastodont.cat

                              @richrockster @bemmesr @hadon @GossiTheDog

                              That's the point. Medical (or other specialist) AI are feed scientific data. Generalist AI like Gemini, ChatGPT, etc are feed... 4chan, Reddit, etc.

                              Not your best source on anything, really 🙂

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                              #31

                              @twit_terrorist @richrockster @bemmesr @hadon @GossiTheDog One of the causes of the whole fiasco is that “AI” is a marketing term encompassing a wide variety of very different technologies that do very different things.

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                              • gossithedog@cyberplace.socialG gossithedog@cyberplace.social

                                Yesterday, I heard for the first time people outside of the tech echo chamber talking about AI.

                                It was my dad asking how to remove Gemini from his phone, as he didn’t want it. Then somebody else asked how to remove Copilot from their TV. That was the entire conversation about GenAI - how to disable it.

                                I don’t see how that is equivalent to inventing the internet, as AI founders claim they have.

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                                #32

                                @GossiTheDog “you are here” on the Gartner Hype Cycle

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                                • misusecase@twit.socialM misusecase@twit.social

                                  @twit_terrorist @richrockster @bemmesr @hadon @GossiTheDog One of the causes of the whole fiasco is that “AI” is a marketing term encompassing a wide variety of very different technologies that do very different things.

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                                  #33

                                  @MisuseCase @twit_terrorist @richrockster @bemmesr @GossiTheDog

                                  Yes, actually, what most people call AI should really be called something like Artificial Text Generator ( yes, PLEASE, we have to take off the term "intelligence")

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                                  • gossithedog@cyberplace.socialG gossithedog@cyberplace.social

                                    Yesterday, I heard for the first time people outside of the tech echo chamber talking about AI.

                                    It was my dad asking how to remove Gemini from his phone, as he didn’t want it. Then somebody else asked how to remove Copilot from their TV. That was the entire conversation about GenAI - how to disable it.

                                    I don’t see how that is equivalent to inventing the internet, as AI founders claim they have.

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                                    #34

                                    @GossiTheDog

                                    Did you tell him to replace vanilla Android with GrapheneOS or LineageOS? Replacing vanilla Android is the only sure way to get rid of Gemini Gen AI bullshit.

                                    https://cyberplace.social/@GossiTheDog/116000636303016143

                                    See:

                                    https://stopgenai.com/how-to-avoid-gen-ai/

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                                    • gossithedog@cyberplace.socialG gossithedog@cyberplace.social

                                      Yesterday, I heard for the first time people outside of the tech echo chamber talking about AI.

                                      It was my dad asking how to remove Gemini from his phone, as he didn’t want it. Then somebody else asked how to remove Copilot from their TV. That was the entire conversation about GenAI - how to disable it.

                                      I don’t see how that is equivalent to inventing the internet, as AI founders claim they have.

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                                      #35

                                      @GossiTheDog

                                      Please check out https://stopgenai.com

                                      Signal: crowgirl.84

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                                      • gossithedog@cyberplace.socialG gossithedog@cyberplace.social

                                        Yesterday, I heard for the first time people outside of the tech echo chamber talking about AI.

                                        It was my dad asking how to remove Gemini from his phone, as he didn’t want it. Then somebody else asked how to remove Copilot from their TV. That was the entire conversation about GenAI - how to disable it.

                                        I don’t see how that is equivalent to inventing the internet, as AI founders claim they have.

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                                        #36

                                        @GossiTheDog @baldur How come this part (seen in of the attached pictures in the toot above):

                                        “As of writing, Microsoft's stock is down around 10% over the past three months, as executives like CEO Satya Nadella, President Brad Smith, and CCO Judson Althoff unload tens of millions of dollars of shares.”

                                        not a way bigger story? If the top-brass of MS does not think themselves at the brink of an AI goldrush, why should anybody else?

                                        https://www.windowscentral.com/microsoft/microsoft-shares-dip-10-percent-over-the-last-three-months-ballooning-infrastructure-capex-shrinking-ai-hype-and-googles-resurgence-blamed

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                                        • manchestermelly@universeodon.comM manchestermelly@universeodon.com

                                          @GossiTheDog A lot of tech people hate it too, and can't wait for the bubble to burst.

                                          I keep seeing adverts for new laptops "powered by AI", and cannot think of a less attractive selling point.

                                          All the devs on my team have gone from "This could really speed up development" to "This creates so much extra work because there is no intelligence there, they're all just sycophantic predictive text generators".

                                          When working with codebases, the AIs really struggle with context. They often provide outdated solutions, introduce technical debt and often add three bugs for every bug fixed. We have stopped using AI completely. No "vibe coding" crap allowed here.

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                                          #37

                                          @manchestermelly @GossiTheDog

                                          Please check out https://stopgenai.com

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