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  3. Yesterday, I heard for the first time people outside of the tech echo chamber talking about AI.

Yesterday, I heard for the first time people outside of the tech echo chamber talking about AI.

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  • gossithedog@cyberplace.socialG gossithedog@cyberplace.social

    Yesterday, I heard for the first time people outside of the tech echo chamber talking about AI.

    It was my dad asking how to remove Gemini from his phone, as he didn’t want it. Then somebody else asked how to remove Copilot from their TV. That was the entire conversation about GenAI - how to disable it.

    I don’t see how that is equivalent to inventing the internet, as AI founders claim they have.

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    #25

    @GossiTheDog time to cede control

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    • gossithedog@cyberplace.socialG gossithedog@cyberplace.social

      Yesterday, I heard for the first time people outside of the tech echo chamber talking about AI.

      It was my dad asking how to remove Gemini from his phone, as he didn’t want it. Then somebody else asked how to remove Copilot from their TV. That was the entire conversation about GenAI - how to disable it.

      I don’t see how that is equivalent to inventing the internet, as AI founders claim they have.

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      #26

      @GossiTheDog ROLFMAO

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      • richrockster@mastodon.socialR richrockster@mastodon.social

        @bemmesr @hadon @GossiTheDog I agree.

        The "AI" that is used in medical fields is subject to stronger criteria, is not fed the entire internet, and given very specific things to look for/analyse/etc. Niche tools can do a better job than one that tries to do everything.

        Plus, have you seen the crap us humans put on the internet? No wonder the "AI" in the broad-spectrum sense is shit...

        Add the fact that "AI" cannot distinguish between truth and satire, just makes it worse.

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        #27

        @richrockster @bemmesr @hadon @GossiTheDog

        That's the point. Medical (or other specialist) AI are feed scientific data. Generalist AI like Gemini, ChatGPT, etc are feed... 4chan, Reddit, etc.

        Not your best source on anything, really 🙂

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        • gossithedog@cyberplace.socialG gossithedog@cyberplace.social

          Yesterday, I heard for the first time people outside of the tech echo chamber talking about AI.

          It was my dad asking how to remove Gemini from his phone, as he didn’t want it. Then somebody else asked how to remove Copilot from their TV. That was the entire conversation about GenAI - how to disable it.

          I don’t see how that is equivalent to inventing the internet, as AI founders claim they have.

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          #28

          @GossiTheDog
          those executives actually renamed that business

          its now
          microAIsoftAI365AIcopilotAIAIAI

          the last AI is for all the ads they put in the menus

          the AI before is for the gigabytes of bloatware

          copilot is slang for surveillance capitalism/spying

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          • fragarach@social.vivaldi.netF fragarach@social.vivaldi.net

            @GossiTheDog

            They're sneaky about it though. I use Outlook on my Samsung phone, and while I can disable CoPilot on the Microslop accounts, it keeps turning itself back on.
            May have to just move to Thunderbird.

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            #29

            @Fragarach @GossiTheDog Corporate said to my wife to use Outlook. I saw the ads disguised as real mails and immediately got into action "let's use Thunderbird instead". No one complained (yet).

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            • zed@mstdn.partyZ zed@mstdn.party

              @GossiTheDog whenever my dad is about to lose a political or religious argument with me via text, the next message I receive is an extremely long copy/paste response from chatGPT full of logical fallacies.

              It’s annoying AF.

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              #30

              @zed @GossiTheDog Tell him you won’t read something that nobody bothered to write.

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              • twit_terrorist@mastodont.catT twit_terrorist@mastodont.cat

                @richrockster @bemmesr @hadon @GossiTheDog

                That's the point. Medical (or other specialist) AI are feed scientific data. Generalist AI like Gemini, ChatGPT, etc are feed... 4chan, Reddit, etc.

                Not your best source on anything, really 🙂

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                #31

                @twit_terrorist @richrockster @bemmesr @hadon @GossiTheDog One of the causes of the whole fiasco is that “AI” is a marketing term encompassing a wide variety of very different technologies that do very different things.

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                • gossithedog@cyberplace.socialG gossithedog@cyberplace.social

                  Yesterday, I heard for the first time people outside of the tech echo chamber talking about AI.

                  It was my dad asking how to remove Gemini from his phone, as he didn’t want it. Then somebody else asked how to remove Copilot from their TV. That was the entire conversation about GenAI - how to disable it.

                  I don’t see how that is equivalent to inventing the internet, as AI founders claim they have.

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                  #32

                  @GossiTheDog “you are here” on the Gartner Hype Cycle

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                  • misusecase@twit.socialM misusecase@twit.social

                    @twit_terrorist @richrockster @bemmesr @hadon @GossiTheDog One of the causes of the whole fiasco is that “AI” is a marketing term encompassing a wide variety of very different technologies that do very different things.

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                    #33

                    @MisuseCase @twit_terrorist @richrockster @bemmesr @GossiTheDog

                    Yes, actually, what most people call AI should really be called something like Artificial Text Generator ( yes, PLEASE, we have to take off the term "intelligence")

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                    • gossithedog@cyberplace.socialG gossithedog@cyberplace.social

                      Yesterday, I heard for the first time people outside of the tech echo chamber talking about AI.

                      It was my dad asking how to remove Gemini from his phone, as he didn’t want it. Then somebody else asked how to remove Copilot from their TV. That was the entire conversation about GenAI - how to disable it.

                      I don’t see how that is equivalent to inventing the internet, as AI founders claim they have.

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                      #34

                      @GossiTheDog

                      Did you tell him to replace vanilla Android with GrapheneOS or LineageOS? Replacing vanilla Android is the only sure way to get rid of Gemini Gen AI bullshit.

                      https://cyberplace.social/@GossiTheDog/116000636303016143

                      See:

                      https://stopgenai.com/how-to-avoid-gen-ai/

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                      • gossithedog@cyberplace.socialG gossithedog@cyberplace.social

                        Yesterday, I heard for the first time people outside of the tech echo chamber talking about AI.

                        It was my dad asking how to remove Gemini from his phone, as he didn’t want it. Then somebody else asked how to remove Copilot from their TV. That was the entire conversation about GenAI - how to disable it.

                        I don’t see how that is equivalent to inventing the internet, as AI founders claim they have.

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                        #35

                        @GossiTheDog

                        Please check out https://stopgenai.com

                        Signal: crowgirl.84

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                        • gossithedog@cyberplace.socialG gossithedog@cyberplace.social

                          Yesterday, I heard for the first time people outside of the tech echo chamber talking about AI.

                          It was my dad asking how to remove Gemini from his phone, as he didn’t want it. Then somebody else asked how to remove Copilot from their TV. That was the entire conversation about GenAI - how to disable it.

                          I don’t see how that is equivalent to inventing the internet, as AI founders claim they have.

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                          #36

                          @GossiTheDog @baldur How come this part (seen in of the attached pictures in the toot above):

                          “As of writing, Microsoft's stock is down around 10% over the past three months, as executives like CEO Satya Nadella, President Brad Smith, and CCO Judson Althoff unload tens of millions of dollars of shares.”

                          not a way bigger story? If the top-brass of MS does not think themselves at the brink of an AI goldrush, why should anybody else?

                          https://www.windowscentral.com/microsoft/microsoft-shares-dip-10-percent-over-the-last-three-months-ballooning-infrastructure-capex-shrinking-ai-hype-and-googles-resurgence-blamed

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                          • manchestermelly@universeodon.comM manchestermelly@universeodon.com

                            @GossiTheDog A lot of tech people hate it too, and can't wait for the bubble to burst.

                            I keep seeing adverts for new laptops "powered by AI", and cannot think of a less attractive selling point.

                            All the devs on my team have gone from "This could really speed up development" to "This creates so much extra work because there is no intelligence there, they're all just sycophantic predictive text generators".

                            When working with codebases, the AIs really struggle with context. They often provide outdated solutions, introduce technical debt and often add three bugs for every bug fixed. We have stopped using AI completely. No "vibe coding" crap allowed here.

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                            @manchestermelly @GossiTheDog

                            Please check out https://stopgenai.com

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                            • gossithedog@cyberplace.socialG gossithedog@cyberplace.social

                              Yesterday, I heard for the first time people outside of the tech echo chamber talking about AI.

                              It was my dad asking how to remove Gemini from his phone, as he didn’t want it. Then somebody else asked how to remove Copilot from their TV. That was the entire conversation about GenAI - how to disable it.

                              I don’t see how that is equivalent to inventing the internet, as AI founders claim they have.

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                              #38

                              @GossiTheDog ...at the same time i spoke a retired friend who was very enthusiastic about the new AI features in Adobe Photoshop, it really made his hobby more interesting.

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                              • gossithedog@cyberplace.socialG gossithedog@cyberplace.social

                                Yesterday, I heard for the first time people outside of the tech echo chamber talking about AI.

                                It was my dad asking how to remove Gemini from his phone, as he didn’t want it. Then somebody else asked how to remove Copilot from their TV. That was the entire conversation about GenAI - how to disable it.

                                I don’t see how that is equivalent to inventing the internet, as AI founders claim they have.

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                                #39

                                @GossiTheDog
                                TV with Copilot? Why? 🫠

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                                • gossithedog@cyberplace.socialG gossithedog@cyberplace.social

                                  Yesterday, I heard for the first time people outside of the tech echo chamber talking about AI.

                                  It was my dad asking how to remove Gemini from his phone, as he didn’t want it. Then somebody else asked how to remove Copilot from their TV. That was the entire conversation about GenAI - how to disable it.

                                  I don’t see how that is equivalent to inventing the internet, as AI founders claim they have.

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                                  #40

                                  @GossiTheDog many platforms have "innovated" by introducing ways of detecting, removing, and blocking AI-generated content. Pinterest, SoundCloud...

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                                  • hadon@mastodon.socialH hadon@mastodon.social

                                    @GossiTheDog

                                    AI may be a nice tool to help humanity advance in certain fields, like medical diagnosis. But that doesn't mean it needs or has to be used "everywhere".
                                    An analogy would be like eating fast food 3 times a day, you'll surely end up sick.

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                                    #41

                                    @hadon @GossiTheDog We can really do without the gratuitous platitudes. That is not "AI". You don't have to "acknowledge" that "AI" could do something good (it can't). You can just say "no, fuck you" to them.

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                                    • bemmesr@mastodon.socialB bemmesr@mastodon.social

                                      @hadon @GossiTheDog right. And there is a big difference between the 'AI' which helps with medical diagnoses and the 'AI' that produces confident-sounding text about almost anything, even when that text is wrong.

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                                      #42

                                      @bemmesr @hadon @GossiTheDog A statistical model aiding in.diagnosis is not "AI" just science/applied statistics. "AI" is the app that tells the doctor what diagnosis to make, bypassing their agency and laundering responsibility, and harvests confidential patient data for "training". "AI" is a marketing term and a capitalist/technofascist program, not a technology.

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                                      • dalias@hachyderm.ioD dalias@hachyderm.io

                                        @bemmesr @hadon @GossiTheDog A statistical model aiding in.diagnosis is not "AI" just science/applied statistics. "AI" is the app that tells the doctor what diagnosis to make, bypassing their agency and laundering responsibility, and harvests confidential patient data for "training". "AI" is a marketing term and a capitalist/technofascist program, not a technology.

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                                        #43

                                        @bemmesr @hadon @GossiTheDog Medical professionals understand, or are supposed to understand, this difference. Even when you get blood work done, the labs don't return a diagnosis. They return numbers and normal ranges. It's up to the doctor to make a diagnosis, which may involve further knowledge they have of the patient. This is also the difference between a legitimate statistical diagnostic tool and "AI".

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                                        • erikjonker@mastodon.socialE erikjonker@mastodon.social

                                          @GossiTheDog ...at the same time i spoke a retired friend who was very enthusiastic about the new AI features in Adobe Photoshop, it really made his hobby more interesting.

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                                          #44

                                          @ErikJonker @GossiTheDog Yes, if your hobby is shopping other people's photos to shitpost on reddit, having a tool that helps you steal other people's creative work probably sounds appealing...

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