Training AI models on copyrighted works is "squarely what transformative use is," EFF’s Tori Noble told Reason - these are "general purpose tools" and "exactly the kind of creation that copyright is designed to foster.”
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Training AI models on copyrighted works is "squarely what transformative use is," EFF’s Tori Noble told Reason - these are "general purpose tools" and "exactly the kind of creation that copyright is designed to foster.” https://reason.com/2026/09/04/doj-says-barring-ai-training-on-copyrighted-material-could-severely-hamper-tech-progress/
@eff yeah, that's an unfollow for me. Eat farts and beat street.
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Training AI models on copyrighted works is "squarely what transformative use is," EFF’s Tori Noble told Reason - these are "general purpose tools" and "exactly the kind of creation that copyright is designed to foster.” https://reason.com/2026/09/04/doj-says-barring-ai-training-on-copyrighted-material-could-severely-hamper-tech-progress/
@eff "Billionaires stealing creative work is fine" is a stance you can take, I guess.
It's a bad stance, but you can take it.
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@corigan01 first Debian and now @eff
I don't know how I can trust them when this is their take. I don't know what redemption would even look like. A strongly worded letter wouldn't do it.
@fullywoolly @eff I think that's fair, and I am also very heartbroken about Debian (gotta move my infra over to NetBSD or something now).
However, I am also slightly concerned that the other work they are pushing for might be unsupported if enough people leave the EFF. I am not saying that the EFFs actions are okay here, and we should seriously consider other options from now on, but we cannot forget about the other efforts they are doing to help keep our last remaining digital rights in check.
I really don't know what to make of all this (just like Debian), we need them, but they broke our trust and I don't know what the future holds now. I am very confused if I should even award them this last sliver of doubt.... I guess I just am still in denial that the EFF of all organizations would fumble this hard.
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Training AI models on copyrighted works is "squarely what transformative use is," EFF’s Tori Noble told Reason - these are "general purpose tools" and "exactly the kind of creation that copyright is designed to foster.” https://reason.com/2026/09/04/doj-says-barring-ai-training-on-copyrighted-material-could-severely-hamper-tech-progress/
@eff no human = no intent = no transformation
eff y'all done fucked up
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@fullywoolly @eff I think that's fair, and I am also very heartbroken about Debian (gotta move my infra over to NetBSD or something now).
However, I am also slightly concerned that the other work they are pushing for might be unsupported if enough people leave the EFF. I am not saying that the EFFs actions are okay here, and we should seriously consider other options from now on, but we cannot forget about the other efforts they are doing to help keep our last remaining digital rights in check.
I really don't know what to make of all this (just like Debian), we need them, but they broke our trust and I don't know what the future holds now. I am very confused if I should even award them this last sliver of doubt.... I guess I just am still in denial that the EFF of all organizations would fumble this hard.
@corigan01 @eff yeah ... The grief and betrayal is hard. You don't have to act rashly. Take the time you need to process this.
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Training AI models on copyrighted works is "squarely what transformative use is," EFF’s Tori Noble told Reason - these are "general purpose tools" and "exactly the kind of creation that copyright is designed to foster.” https://reason.com/2026/09/04/doj-says-barring-ai-training-on-copyrighted-material-could-severely-hamper-tech-progress/
@eff Whose side are you on? Fuck off!
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Training AI models on copyrighted works is "squarely what transformative use is," EFF’s Tori Noble told Reason - these are "general purpose tools" and "exactly the kind of creation that copyright is designed to foster.” https://reason.com/2026/09/04/doj-says-barring-ai-training-on-copyrighted-material-could-severely-hamper-tech-progress/
@eff boooooooooooooo
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Training AI models on copyrighted works is "squarely what transformative use is," EFF’s Tori Noble told Reason - these are "general purpose tools" and "exactly the kind of creation that copyright is designed to foster.” https://reason.com/2026/09/04/doj-says-barring-ai-training-on-copyrighted-material-could-severely-hamper-tech-progress/
@eff bad take.
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Training AI models on copyrighted works is "squarely what transformative use is," EFF’s Tori Noble told Reason - these are "general purpose tools" and "exactly the kind of creation that copyright is designed to foster.” https://reason.com/2026/09/04/doj-says-barring-ai-training-on-copyrighted-material-could-severely-hamper-tech-progress/
@eff I disagree. To my mind, 'transformative' requires human intent.
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Training AI models on copyrighted works is "squarely what transformative use is," EFF’s Tori Noble told Reason - these are "general purpose tools" and "exactly the kind of creation that copyright is designed to foster.” https://reason.com/2026/09/04/doj-says-barring-ai-training-on-copyrighted-material-could-severely-hamper-tech-progress/
@eff I guess this is what burning all the bridges looks like
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@eff The irony here is that this is the same EFF that has worked to liberalize copyright law, this lawsuit being no different. Unpopular as AI training may be, I am a bit surprised to see the pushback to the EFF's actions (which honestly looks like a coordinated, corporate-backed effort to shore up support for copyright maximalism), but I get why taking a principled stand is unpopular since it necessarily entails defending unpopular positions occasionally. Even Techdirt defends the practice.
@Big_Blue_Gnu @eff lol
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Training AI models on copyrighted works is "squarely what transformative use is," EFF’s Tori Noble told Reason - these are "general purpose tools" and "exactly the kind of creation that copyright is designed to foster.” https://reason.com/2026/09/04/doj-says-barring-ai-training-on-copyrighted-material-could-severely-hamper-tech-progress/
@eff no longer proud to wear the t-shirt
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Training AI models on copyrighted works is "squarely what transformative use is," EFF’s Tori Noble told Reason - these are "general purpose tools" and "exactly the kind of creation that copyright is designed to foster.” https://reason.com/2026/09/04/doj-says-barring-ai-training-on-copyrighted-material-could-severely-hamper-tech-progress/
@eff Bye Felicia.
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Training AI models on copyrighted works is "squarely what transformative use is," EFF’s Tori Noble told Reason - these are "general purpose tools" and "exactly the kind of creation that copyright is designed to foster.” https://reason.com/2026/09/04/doj-says-barring-ai-training-on-copyrighted-material-could-severely-hamper-tech-progress/
@eff This is pathetic.
Way to condone the wholesale theft of creative works.
Everything you say from now on is suspect.
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Training AI models on copyrighted works is "squarely what transformative use is," EFF’s Tori Noble told Reason - these are "general purpose tools" and "exactly the kind of creation that copyright is designed to foster.” https://reason.com/2026/09/04/doj-says-barring-ai-training-on-copyrighted-material-could-severely-hamper-tech-progress/
@eff excuse me? That’s theft, not creativity.
You just lost every reason to exist. Go disband.
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Training AI models on copyrighted works is "squarely what transformative use is," EFF’s Tori Noble told Reason - these are "general purpose tools" and "exactly the kind of creation that copyright is designed to foster.” https://reason.com/2026/09/04/doj-says-barring-ai-training-on-copyrighted-material-could-severely-hamper-tech-progress/
@eff This is exactly the kind of creation copyright exits to protect from. Fuck off.
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Training AI models on copyrighted works is "squarely what transformative use is," EFF’s Tori Noble told Reason - these are "general purpose tools" and "exactly the kind of creation that copyright is designed to foster.” https://reason.com/2026/09/04/doj-says-barring-ai-training-on-copyrighted-material-could-severely-hamper-tech-progress/
@eff fuck 'tech progress', it's.progressed enough.
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@eff The irony here is that this is the same EFF that has worked to liberalize copyright law, this lawsuit being no different. Unpopular as AI training may be, I am a bit surprised to see the pushback to the EFF's actions (which honestly looks like a coordinated, corporate-backed effort to shore up support for copyright maximalism), but I get why taking a principled stand is unpopular since it necessarily entails defending unpopular positions occasionally. Even Techdirt defends the practice.
@Big_Blue_Gnu @eff it has not even to do with copyright maximalism, “AI” is a deeply fascist technology and has a multitude of problems, on different axes, that, each alone, are already an absolute reason for it to need to be destroyed.
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@eff Much like how my tummy 'transforms' corn into a corn interspersed turd.
@UraniumNutt @eff and, tbh, hampering tech would be a good thing at this time.
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Training AI models on copyrighted works is "squarely what transformative use is," EFF’s Tori Noble told Reason - these are "general purpose tools" and "exactly the kind of creation that copyright is designed to foster.” https://reason.com/2026/09/04/doj-says-barring-ai-training-on-copyrighted-material-could-severely-hamper-tech-progress/
