If you’re still using Proton mail:

[radundtat@berlin.social]

@mzungu @nileane @slothrop Gandi.net

[viduschaka@mastodon.social]

@slothrop @protonprivacy

What do you think of Vincent Lapierre and did you really initiate the sponsorship of his videos yourselves? How do you reconcile fascism with data protection?

#antifascism

[nileane@nileane.fr]

@yaxu @gotofritz @slothrop

First, I don't have to ask Proton anything. I'm not a customer, and I have shared factual info on here because I thought people who are customers should know. And the facts remain: Vincent Lapierre is a fascist YouTuber, his latest video features a full-on Proton Mail sponsorship segment, with the sponsorship label overlayed in the top left corner as required by law ("collaboration commerciale"), and with a paragraph in the video description featuring a custom Proton link to his name. If this is not an actual sponsorship, then Lapierre will surely have gone a long way to make it seem like one.

Second, the link works for me. I'm wondering whether it's only active if you're visiting from a French IP or something. In any case, stop insinuating I'm a liar just because that link isn't working for you.

[yaxu@post.lurk.org]

@nileane @gotofritz @slothrop sorry, I didn't watch the video and didn't realise there was a whole segment. I was expecting the link to show a discount rather than redirect to a generic page but looks like I am mistaken on that too. Thanks for clarifying, looking forward to proton responding to this

[jago@mementomori.social]

@kleisli @slothrop kid was born. For a few years it was too exhausting to try to cope with life _and_ try to keep all computery things running. Gave up on Gentoo, own domain, Linux phone and homelab server. Just used the "easy" solutions. Now kid is old enough I've been cranking up the difficulty level again. Although not Gentoo, but Arch.

[ache@social.lol]

@mdione I see that you are a tech person.

Proton is regulary doing odd things, like the ways they do PGP encryption. Non standard.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40282187

Also, they will send informations about you if "the police" ask them. Maybe emails if in clear text.

https://reporterre.net/Repute-sur-Protonmail-a-livre-a-la-police-des-informations-sur-des-militants-climat

The main Proton Mail alternative is Tuta (https://tutamail.com I think). I don't use them but if a friend recommand easy and safe email provider, it's my recommandation.

[gusseting@mastodon.social]

@slothrop ok, but name a service provider that is not going to do the same thing in a couple of years, because I'm really fucking tired of changing due to enshittification of All The Things.

[solonovamax@tech.lgbt]

@nileane @gotofritz @slothrop my understanding of the way many of these sponsor programs work is the company goes to an agency, and then the agency like subcontracts out to a bunch of different organizations, which then go and contact different youtubers

I don't know if proton is doing this, however this is my understanding of how many youtube sponsorships work

[lukeharby@infosec.exchange]

@slothrop Lol. I went to Proton cos of how bad Google are (Swiss, developed by CERN, etc). Who is a decent email provider these days, or do they start out with good intentions and get corrupted?

[michaelmaguire@mstdn.ca]

@Shamhatt @oscarfalcon @benroyce @alice @slothrop I thought for a sec you were nominating @pluralistic for TECHMENSCH

[markwyner@mas.to]

@slothrop not surprising. And I’ll add to the list of why Proton is a horrible choice because of their CEO:

https://mas.to/@markwyner/116184563372403595

Folks who use Proton are gonna find out. Because holding an account with a fascist boot-licker is the fucking around part.

#Proton #Fascism

[slothrop@chaos.social]

@solonovamax @nileane @gotofritz sure. But the reputational risk remains with the company - Proton, in this case.

Managing your brand image has costs. So does not managing your brand image.

[xarvos@outerheaven.club]

@alice @slothrop sadly some of those are already queer-run tho

RE: https://labyrinth.zone/objects/d051940a-03e9-4d0f-b3d8-81bac183ff58

[michaelmaguire@mstdn.ca]

@schroedingerspossum @Infoseepage @slothrop I mean, I don't know the guy so not making any clams (or claims), however I think that given the deep significance of 8 for lucky (and 4 for unlucky) in Asian culture that it's verging on uncool to say people of Asian heritage can't use 8 anymore because of some dumb white assholes.

[slothrop@chaos.social]

@jago @kleisli For most people, there are legitimately better uses of their time than running their own computing services.

Self-hosting is a nice hobby, but it’s not the right solution for everyone - and I say that as an enthusiast.

[kleisli@mastodon.social]

@slothrop sure, I also wouldn't host my own mail server at home, but having an email address with my domain hosted at a local hoster doesn't cost me any time. And also @jago has had his own email before, so I asked myself why he switched.

[schroedingerspossum@mastodon.social]

@Infoseepage @michaelmaguire @slothrop I wasn't aware of that.

[oscarfalcon@mastodon.social]

@michaelmaguire @Shamhatt @benroyce @alice @slothrop

Hey why not?!?!

What I mean is there must be 'someone' who would adapt technology for the benefit of his fellow citizens NOT to extract rent from them, a decent human or group that make things better by reaching out and UNDERSTANDING that the "who" the tech benefits is its users. Nothing wrong with making a profit but there is something very wrong in exploiting, and it has been said: users are not your walking wallets*.

*h/t @pluralistic

[bonne@ieji.de]

@slothrop @mangochutney
@protonprivacy is this true?

[gavin57@toot.wales]

@ache @mdione That’s not strictly true. They are obliged to hand over payment information (which reveals your identity) if courts ask for it, but you can pay them in ways other than by credit card. Otherwise they can’t access your emails.

The whole “company Y is evil because…” discourse on Mastodon is exhausting and just sows confusion. This appears to be all over affiliate links, which every customer has access to.