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  • mathew@universeodon.comM This user is from outside of this forum
    mathew@universeodon.comM This user is from outside of this forum
    mathew@universeodon.com
    wrote sidst redigeret af
    #88

    @mzungu @nileane @slothrop After a lot of evaluation I ended up picking hover.com. Apart from anything else, they aren't involved with cryptocurrency.

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    • slothrop@chaos.socialS slothrop@chaos.social

      RE: https://nileane.fr/@nileane/116704285750838861

      If you’re still using Proton mail:

      The company is sponsoring the videos of French far-right / fascist YouTuber Vincent Lapierre.

      If encryption is part of your vision for a better society, find a better service provider.

      UPDATE 2026-06-08: Response from Proton. This comes after mods apparently deleted lots of critical posts in r/ProtonMail.

      https://www.reddit.com/r/ProtonMail/comments/1u05xs2/comment/oqgihvq/

      #proton #fash

      cupcakebr@bolha.usC This user is from outside of this forum
      cupcakebr@bolha.usC This user is from outside of this forum
      cupcakebr@bolha.us
      wrote sidst redigeret af
      #89

      @slothrop

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      • slothrop@chaos.socialS slothrop@chaos.social

        RE: https://nileane.fr/@nileane/116704285750838861

        If you’re still using Proton mail:

        The company is sponsoring the videos of French far-right / fascist YouTuber Vincent Lapierre.

        If encryption is part of your vision for a better society, find a better service provider.

        UPDATE 2026-06-08: Response from Proton. This comes after mods apparently deleted lots of critical posts in r/ProtonMail.

        https://www.reddit.com/r/ProtonMail/comments/1u05xs2/comment/oqgihvq/

        #proton #fash

        vw_guy@mastodon.socialV This user is from outside of this forum
        vw_guy@mastodon.socialV This user is from outside of this forum
        vw_guy@mastodon.social
        wrote sidst redigeret af
        #90

        @slothrop Cool, I'll still use it no matter the internet rage about it

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        • slothrop@chaos.socialS slothrop@chaos.social

          RE: https://nileane.fr/@nileane/116704285750838861

          If you’re still using Proton mail:

          The company is sponsoring the videos of French far-right / fascist YouTuber Vincent Lapierre.

          If encryption is part of your vision for a better society, find a better service provider.

          UPDATE 2026-06-08: Response from Proton. This comes after mods apparently deleted lots of critical posts in r/ProtonMail.

          https://www.reddit.com/r/ProtonMail/comments/1u05xs2/comment/oqgihvq/

          #proton #fash

          vampyre@transfem.socialV This user is from outside of this forum
          vampyre@transfem.socialV This user is from outside of this forum
          vampyre@transfem.social
          wrote sidst redigeret af
          #91

          @slothrop@chaos.social Tuta is pretty good.

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          • woozle@toot.catW woozle@toot.cat

            @benroyce @draNgNon @alice @slothrop

            I've been self-hosting my email for... 15-20 years now? Maybe I should offer that as a "pay-what-you-like/can" service...

            mason@partychickens.netM This user is from outside of this forum
            mason@partychickens.netM This user is from outside of this forum
            mason@partychickens.net
            wrote sidst redigeret af
            #92

            @woozle @benroyce @draNgNon @alice @slothrop Teaching people to #selfhost is a great good you can do for the world. I teach people to do it 1:1 but I'm thinking I should put up resources so that folks can learn without direct, live instruction. (It'd probably be a good group project.)

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            • slothrop@chaos.socialS slothrop@chaos.social

              RE: https://nileane.fr/@nileane/116704285750838861

              If you’re still using Proton mail:

              The company is sponsoring the videos of French far-right / fascist YouTuber Vincent Lapierre.

              If encryption is part of your vision for a better society, find a better service provider.

              UPDATE 2026-06-08: Response from Proton. This comes after mods apparently deleted lots of critical posts in r/ProtonMail.

              https://www.reddit.com/r/ProtonMail/comments/1u05xs2/comment/oqgihvq/

              #proton #fash

              dulcedemon@beige.partyD This user is from outside of this forum
              dulcedemon@beige.partyD This user is from outside of this forum
              dulcedemon@beige.party
              wrote sidst redigeret af
              #93

              @slothrop
              Damn it!

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              • shadowfals@toot.catS This user is from outside of this forum
                shadowfals@toot.catS This user is from outside of this forum
                shadowfals@toot.cat
                wrote sidst redigeret af
                #94

                @mzungu @nileane @slothrop could be.

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                • slothrop@chaos.socialS slothrop@chaos.social

                  RE: https://nileane.fr/@nileane/116704285750838861

                  If you’re still using Proton mail:

                  The company is sponsoring the videos of French far-right / fascist YouTuber Vincent Lapierre.

                  If encryption is part of your vision for a better society, find a better service provider.

                  UPDATE 2026-06-08: Response from Proton. This comes after mods apparently deleted lots of critical posts in r/ProtonMail.

                  https://www.reddit.com/r/ProtonMail/comments/1u05xs2/comment/oqgihvq/

                  #proton #fash

                  rotnroll666@mastodon.socialR This user is from outside of this forum
                  rotnroll666@mastodon.socialR This user is from outside of this forum
                  rotnroll666@mastodon.social
                  wrote sidst redigeret af
                  #95

                  @slothrop oh dear. Not using their service, but that shines a light of their other channels too 😢 @gazebo_c

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                  • uriel@bbs.keinpfusch.netU uriel@bbs.keinpfusch.net

                    @internic @slothrop you know perfectly this is not how advertisement on ads work... bye

                    tarmil@mastodon.tarmil.frT This user is from outside of this forum
                    tarmil@mastodon.tarmil.frT This user is from outside of this forum
                    tarmil@mastodon.tarmil.fr
                    wrote sidst redigeret af
                    #96

                    @uriel @internic @slothrop See the "Collaboration commerciale" text in the corner of the screenshot? That's what French YouTubers are legally required to put to indicate that this is a sponsored segment. Most definitely not an algorithmic ad.

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                    • nileane@nileane.frN nileane@nileane.fr

                      @gotofritz @slothrop If that's the case, that's up to Proton to clarify. Because right now it's presented as a sponsor: the video has a sponsor segment, and Lapierre even thanks Proton for sponsoring him.

                      If he's lying, then Proton should state that he lied.
                      + him "just using an affiliate link" would still mean that Proton is okay with a fascist influencer bringing them money and customers.

                      yaxu@post.lurk.orgY This user is from outside of this forum
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                      yaxu@post.lurk.org
                      wrote sidst redigeret af
                      #97

                      @nileane @gotofritz @slothrop you'd have to ask proton to clarify. As far as I can tell, the affiliate link doesn't work, so perhaps someone else has

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                      • slothrop@chaos.socialS slothrop@chaos.social

                        RE: https://nileane.fr/@nileane/116704285750838861

                        If you’re still using Proton mail:

                        The company is sponsoring the videos of French far-right / fascist YouTuber Vincent Lapierre.

                        If encryption is part of your vision for a better society, find a better service provider.

                        UPDATE 2026-06-08: Response from Proton. This comes after mods apparently deleted lots of critical posts in r/ProtonMail.

                        https://www.reddit.com/r/ProtonMail/comments/1u05xs2/comment/oqgihvq/

                        #proton #fash

                        verboese@nrw.socialV This user is from outside of this forum
                        verboese@nrw.socialV This user is from outside of this forum
                        verboese@nrw.social
                        wrote sidst redigeret af
                        #98

                        @slothrop and it’s not just mail. The Proton group has several other apps, e. g. Lumo, a european AI which I preferred - up to now. I think I have to think about another alternative here, too 😞

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                        • gatogatogato@ohai.socialG This user is from outside of this forum
                          gatogatogato@ohai.socialG This user is from outside of this forum
                          gatogatogato@ohai.social
                          wrote sidst redigeret af
                          #99

                          @Infoseepage @gotofritz @slothrop Never heard of that story nor of Andy Yen. Sounds highly terrifying. I just finished migrating all mail related stuff away from Gmail to Proton. Sucks to start over again.

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                          • yaxu@post.lurk.orgY yaxu@post.lurk.org

                            @nileane @gotofritz @slothrop you'd have to ask proton to clarify. As far as I can tell, the affiliate link doesn't work, so perhaps someone else has

                            mdione@en.osm.townM This user is from outside of this forum
                            mdione@en.osm.townM This user is from outside of this forum
                            mdione@en.osm.town
                            wrote sidst redigeret af
                            #100

                            @yaxu @nileane @gotofritz @slothrop so this could be done to smear Proton? Has anyone contacted them?

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                            • mdione@en.osm.townM mdione@en.osm.town

                              @yaxu @nileane @gotofritz @slothrop so this could be done to smear Proton? Has anyone contacted them?

                              mdione@en.osm.townM This user is from outside of this forum
                              mdione@en.osm.townM This user is from outside of this forum
                              mdione@en.osm.town
                              wrote sidst redigeret af
                              #101

                              @yaxu @nileane @gotofritz @slothrop

                              also, tclarify, did you find a link to thos video in any of the Proton products?

                              I'm asking mostly becuase just yesterday a friend was talking me about Proton, and it sounded good emough to jump over.

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                              • R roboro@mastodon.social

                                @slothrop totally depressed by this. It has been a challenge to migrate all of my mail and friends and family on my domain off of Google's crap infrastructure. Have struggled with some shortcomings in Proton - their alias handling etc is terrible - but I am really upset to hear about fascist leanings etc. I just don't know how to up and migrate a whole bunch of people after a few months of getting people used to the shift.
                                Why is the world so full of horrible people?

                                aaron@social.tromdienste.deA This user is from outside of this forum
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                                aaron@social.tromdienste.de
                                wrote sidst redigeret af
                                #102
                                @roboro @slothrop sad to hear this...
                                #tutamail seems to be the option to go with.
                                I use their service and follow their blog for some years now and they stick to their core values and I appreciate their work a lot!
                                Well done @Tutanota - I recommend your work and blog to many people 🙂
                                tuta.com/
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                                • radundtat@berlin.socialR This user is from outside of this forum
                                  radundtat@berlin.socialR This user is from outside of this forum
                                  radundtat@berlin.social
                                  wrote sidst redigeret af
                                  #103

                                  @mzungu @nileane @slothrop Gandi.net

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                                  • slothrop@chaos.socialS slothrop@chaos.social

                                    RE: https://nileane.fr/@nileane/116704285750838861

                                    If you’re still using Proton mail:

                                    The company is sponsoring the videos of French far-right / fascist YouTuber Vincent Lapierre.

                                    If encryption is part of your vision for a better society, find a better service provider.

                                    UPDATE 2026-06-08: Response from Proton. This comes after mods apparently deleted lots of critical posts in r/ProtonMail.

                                    https://www.reddit.com/r/ProtonMail/comments/1u05xs2/comment/oqgihvq/

                                    #proton #fash

                                    viduschaka@mastodon.socialV This user is from outside of this forum
                                    viduschaka@mastodon.socialV This user is from outside of this forum
                                    viduschaka@mastodon.social
                                    wrote sidst redigeret af
                                    #104

                                    @slothrop @protonprivacy

                                    What do you think of Vincent Lapierre and did you really initiate the sponsorship of his videos yourselves? How do you reconcile fascism with data protection?

                                    #antifascism

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                                    • yaxu@post.lurk.orgY yaxu@post.lurk.org

                                      @nileane @gotofritz @slothrop you'd have to ask proton to clarify. As far as I can tell, the affiliate link doesn't work, so perhaps someone else has

                                      nileane@nileane.frN This user is from outside of this forum
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                                      nileane@nileane.fr
                                      wrote sidst redigeret af
                                      #105

                                      @yaxu @gotofritz @slothrop

                                      First, I don't have to ask Proton anything. I'm not a customer, and I have shared factual info on here because I thought people who are customers should know. And the facts remain: Vincent Lapierre is a fascist YouTuber, his latest video features a full-on Proton Mail sponsorship segment, with the sponsorship label overlayed in the top left corner as required by law ("collaboration commerciale"), and with a paragraph in the video description featuring a custom Proton link to his name. If this is not an actual sponsorship, then Lapierre will surely have gone a long way to make it seem like one.

                                      Second, the link works for me. I'm wondering whether it's only active if you're visiting from a French IP or something. In any case, stop insinuating I'm a liar just because that link isn't working for you.

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                                      • nileane@nileane.frN nileane@nileane.fr

                                        @yaxu @gotofritz @slothrop

                                        First, I don't have to ask Proton anything. I'm not a customer, and I have shared factual info on here because I thought people who are customers should know. And the facts remain: Vincent Lapierre is a fascist YouTuber, his latest video features a full-on Proton Mail sponsorship segment, with the sponsorship label overlayed in the top left corner as required by law ("collaboration commerciale"), and with a paragraph in the video description featuring a custom Proton link to his name. If this is not an actual sponsorship, then Lapierre will surely have gone a long way to make it seem like one.

                                        Second, the link works for me. I'm wondering whether it's only active if you're visiting from a French IP or something. In any case, stop insinuating I'm a liar just because that link isn't working for you.

                                        yaxu@post.lurk.orgY This user is from outside of this forum
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                                        yaxu@post.lurk.org
                                        wrote sidst redigeret af
                                        #106

                                        @nileane @gotofritz @slothrop sorry, I didn't watch the video and didn't realise there was a whole segment. I was expecting the link to show a discount rather than redirect to a generic page but looks like I am mistaken on that too. Thanks for clarifying, looking forward to proton responding to this

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                                        • kleisli@mastodon.socialK kleisli@mastodon.social

                                          @jago why did you think you need more than an IMAP&SMTP server with your own domain? @slothrop

                                          jago@mementomori.socialJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                                          jago@mementomori.social
                                          wrote sidst redigeret af
                                          #107

                                          @kleisli @slothrop kid was born. For a few years it was too exhausting to try to cope with life _and_ try to keep all computery things running. Gave up on Gentoo, own domain, Linux phone and homelab server. Just used the "easy" solutions. Now kid is old enough I've been cranking up the difficulty level again. Although not Gentoo, but Arch.

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