“PIRATING” IS A CAPITALIST FRAME
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@blogdiva@mastodon.social the moment you make a statement like “if buying isn’t ownership…” you are implying that there is a world where piracy could be wrong or immoral. digital assets can be freely duplicated therefore they can’t be stolen, don’t give any concessions
@etsyy @blogdiva I don't know that I'd call it the weakest.
Your argument focuses on the ethics implied by the argument. While there's a discussion to be had about the ethics of copying digital goods, "If Buying isn't ownership" isn't an ethics argument. It's a contractual one - "If you don't hold up your end of the argument, we don't need to hold up ours".
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“PIRATING” IS A CAPITALIST FRAME
don’t be a cop.
If buying isn't ownership then p̶i̶r̶a̶t̶i̶n̶g̶ SHARING isn't stealing
If buying doesn't create ownership, then p̶i̶r̶a̶t̶i̶n̶g̶ SHARING doesn't destroy it.
SHARING is anticapitalist and antifa because sharing is caring.
@blogdiva When it involves a black flag dancing overheat, salting your beef with flying lead, strip you clean and sink you low to take your grog with Davy Joe... *then* you can call it Piracy.
Until then, I'll be calling it, "unsanctioned copying."
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@etsyy @blogdiva I don't know that I'd call it the weakest.
Your argument focuses on the ethics implied by the argument. While there's a discussion to be had about the ethics of copying digital goods, "If Buying isn't ownership" isn't an ethics argument. It's a contractual one - "If you don't hold up your end of the argument, we don't need to hold up ours".
@Epic_Null@infosec.exchange @blogdiva@mastodon.social I understand, and I’m saying if there’s no material harm in us not upholding our end (that being non-piracy) then we shouldn’t be expected to regardless of if they hold up theirs or not.
I’m saying the contract was invalid to begin with
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@kauer@aus.social @blogdiva@mastodon.social somebody bought it to then have it pirated
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@kauer@aus.social @blogdiva@mastodon.social somebody bought it to then have it pirated
@kauer@aus.social @blogdiva@mastodon.social I’m not advocating for nobody to purchase digital assets or pay the creators, simply that there isn’t a world where the piracy of those assets is wrong
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@kauer @etsyy @blogdiva The creator doesn't get their reward now when people don't cheaply copy it, because middlemen squeeze them for everything, so I don't think that is particularly the problem.
There are a wide variety of jobs that the cost of them is going to zero while the benefit they provide to society is incredibly high but hard to measure. This isn't unique to artists.
It gets even worse when you consider the zipf distribution the rewards typically follow.
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“PIRATING” IS A CAPITALIST FRAME
don’t be a cop.
If buying isn't ownership then p̶i̶r̶a̶t̶i̶n̶g̶ SHARING isn't stealing
If buying doesn't create ownership, then p̶i̶r̶a̶t̶i̶n̶g̶ SHARING doesn't destroy it.
SHARING is anticapitalist and antifa because sharing is caring.
@blogdiva They're stealing our consumer rights so now we're _stealing_ their products!
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@felipe We process lots of things
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“PIRATING” IS A CAPITALIST FRAME
don’t be a cop.
If buying isn't ownership then p̶i̶r̶a̶t̶i̶n̶g̶ SHARING isn't stealing
If buying doesn't create ownership, then p̶i̶r̶a̶t̶i̶n̶g̶ SHARING doesn't destroy it.
SHARING is anticapitalist and antifa because sharing is caring.
@blogdiva it's not piracy unless it comes from the "Piracy" region of France. Anything else is just sparkling sharing.
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@kauer @etsyy @blogdiva I mean I am saying that I think that a good number of people that pirate (I like the word /shrug) are picky about where their meager funds go.
Like, if we are honest about this, there is no difference between downloading a song and listening to that song on youtube with an adblocker. Except that downloading it gives less power to google.
I really don't think that anyone should feel particularly bad about pirating a taylor swift album is my point more or less.
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“PIRATING” IS A CAPITALIST FRAME
don’t be a cop.
If buying isn't ownership then p̶i̶r̶a̶t̶i̶n̶g̶ SHARING isn't stealing
If buying doesn't create ownership, then p̶i̶r̶a̶t̶i̶n̶g̶ SHARING doesn't destroy it.
SHARING is anticapitalist and antifa because sharing is caring.
@blogdiva
Ah, since I'm old enough to remember: you wouldn't download a car, would you?
Piratebay, FTW!
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“PIRATING” IS A CAPITALIST FRAME
don’t be a cop.
If buying isn't ownership then p̶i̶r̶a̶t̶i̶n̶g̶ SHARING isn't stealing
If buying doesn't create ownership, then p̶i̶r̶a̶t̶i̶n̶g̶ SHARING doesn't destroy it.
SHARING is anticapitalist and antifa because sharing is caring.
@blogdiva Don't worry me bucko, dis gold be some I 'ave shared wit' the spanish fleet.
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@blogdiva
Yeah, but sailing the high seas sharing booty just doesn't sound as hardcore
@intransitivelie @blogdiva It is if you're in an open relationship
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@kauer @etsyy @blogdiva I mean I am saying that I think that a good number of people that pirate (I like the word /shrug) are picky about where their meager funds go.
Like, if we are honest about this, there is no difference between downloading a song and listening to that song on youtube with an adblocker. Except that downloading it gives less power to google.
I really don't think that anyone should feel particularly bad about pirating a taylor swift album is my point more or less.
@theeclecticdyslexic@mstdn.social @kauer@aus.social @blogdiva@mastodon.social I wouldn’t say it necessarily gives less power to google but rather returns more to you, but I’m being pedantic
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@intransitivelie @blogdiva It is if you're in an open relationship
@mast0d0nphan @blogdiva
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“PIRATING” IS A CAPITALIST FRAME
don’t be a cop.
If buying isn't ownership then p̶i̶r̶a̶t̶i̶n̶g̶ SHARING isn't stealing
If buying doesn't create ownership, then p̶i̶r̶a̶t̶i̶n̶g̶ SHARING doesn't destroy it.
SHARING is anticapitalist and antifa because sharing is caring.
@blogdiva Watching the wrangling in the thread, and wondering how many of its participants are using LLMs at home, on the web, or at work.
Cuz if you're using commercial LLMs, you're *already* a pirate, and it's a little late for moral outrage.
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@blogdiva i wholeheartedly agree with you, but also I've always wanted to be a pirate and SHARING is probably my best chance to get anywhere close to that.
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@blogdiva “be gay, do pro-social activities regardless of the framing of the existing hierarchies” doesn’t roll off the tongue as well
@c0dec0dec0de @blogdiva I kinda want that on a t-shirt anyway
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