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  3. i've heard a few times that "waymos will make streets safer" so i went and looked up sf's traffic fatality statistics and they're pretty much identical

i've heard a few times that "waymos will make streets safer" so i went and looked up sf's traffic fatality statistics and they're pretty much identical

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  • tef@mastodon.socialT tef@mastodon.social

    we're destroying the open web

    we're burning down the closest thing i've ever seen in my life to the library of alexandria

    and people are explaining to me how warm it keeps their hands, and maybe, in the future, the ashes will contain the secrets of the universe

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    #37

    @tef@mastodon.social i apologize for just jumping in here but i want to back up just how literal this destruction is. despite me using an ai blocker, my server is now at a constant 50%+ cpu usage, most of which coming from caddy and thus being unavoidable for me unless i write my own reverse proxy too (not too unlikely i suppose, but either way).

    i am now experiencing up to 300-something requests per second that are confirmed to be coming from llm scrapers, usually hovering around 185 with regular spikes to 250. that means an average of 16 million requests per day. this translates to over 99.7% of requests to my sites coming from scrapers.

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    • tef@mastodon.socialT tef@mastodon.social

      i've heard a few times that "waymos will make streets safer" so i went and looked up sf's traffic fatality statistics and they're pretty much identical

      i mean, there is a slight increase over the last two years but there's sufficient variance to avoid suggesting a trend

      as i understand it, waymos tend to take people off busses and other forms of transit, rather than out of their own cars

      so i'm doubtful it will lower deaths on the road, just the number of busses

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      #38

      @tef

      This study has a lot of data and finds Waymo's safer for certain kinds of crashes...

      https://www.sciencedirect.com/org/science/article/pii/S1538958825000815

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      • tef@mastodon.socialT tef@mastodon.social

        @otakup0pe when i visited the internet archive back in 2013, i took the tour

        a big part of the speech involved "the natural enemy of libraries are governments" and explaining who or what would most likely see the death of the archive

        and joking "we hope that by being in a church, they might have some second thoughts"

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        #39

        Since the 90s, if not 80s in the US, there has been a global offensive by federalized global (western) capital against EVERYTHING #public to be confiscated, liquidated, and privatized.

        Why would "PUBLIC" #libraries escape this offensive. In most constitutions except for dictatorships and monarchies, to convert anything public to private you have to violate the access rights by ALL HUMANS, not even just citizens/residents

        Pseudo environmental #GreenEnergy campaigns have been just a cover-up for this constitutional violation, converting public land/water-bodies into private "lots".

        "Governments" are not the enemies of libraries, governments hostage to economic elites and processes are enemies of people (working people, the working poor). Unless we are to devolve to the ultimate fascism of the survival of the fittest (and best armed) .. we ... people .. collectively will need to govern our communities and protect our own rights.

        Something that capitalism is violently opposing and destroying the possibility of.

        @tef @otakup0pe

        #libertarian #communalism / #communism

        #antifa (true antifascism is anti-capaitalism as fascism is nothing more than anti-communism)

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        • tudbut@social.tudbut.deT tudbut@social.tudbut.de

          @tef@mastodon.social i apologize for just jumping in here but i want to back up just how literal this destruction is. despite me using an ai blocker, my server is now at a constant 50%+ cpu usage, most of which coming from caddy and thus being unavoidable for me unless i write my own reverse proxy too (not too unlikely i suppose, but either way).

          i am now experiencing up to 300-something requests per second that are confirmed to be coming from llm scrapers, usually hovering around 185 with regular spikes to 250. that means an average of 16 million requests per day. this translates to over 99.7% of requests to my sites coming from scrapers.

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          #40

          @tudbut @tef i don't even look at my iocaine logs any more and rely on people who can't get in contacting me

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          • tef@mastodon.socialT tef@mastodon.social

            i've heard a few times that "waymos will make streets safer" so i went and looked up sf's traffic fatality statistics and they're pretty much identical

            i mean, there is a slight increase over the last two years but there's sufficient variance to avoid suggesting a trend

            as i understand it, waymos tend to take people off busses and other forms of transit, rather than out of their own cars

            so i'm doubtful it will lower deaths on the road, just the number of busses

            zverik@en.osm.townZ This user is from outside of this forum
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            #41

            @tef Funny how it's exactly the same as with Uber years ago. Which was marketed as a solution for private cars, but in fact was replacing public transit:

            https://48hills.org/2024/09/uber-and-lyft-are-undermining-public-transit-a-new-study-shows/

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            • tef@mastodon.socialT tef@mastodon.social

              the worst bit? i still like machine learning, i still think stochastic approaches can have benefits

              but if i wrote software that pushed vulnerable teenagers to suicide, or enabled people to sexually harass strangers with pornographic forgeries

              i would take a step back from the keyboard and ask my good buddy hans, "are we the baddies"

              or at least, i hope i'd ask those hard questions

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              #42

              @tef @bert_hubert BUT THE MONEY / FIRST MOVER ADVANTAGE / BEING THE PERSON WHO OWNS ALL OF THE LABOUR IN THE WORLD etc

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              • tef@mastodon.socialT tef@mastodon.social

                i don't want to be all "you are not immune to propaganda" but a lot of these arguments prey on optimism and hope that technology can lift people up

                but when you start to examine the rhetoric, like "what if <imaginary circumstance where the tools are useful>"

                or "bad thing? that's a lack of training and dicipline"

                it just feels like gun logic in a new outfit

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                #43

                @tef @davidgerard “The only way to stop a bad guy with an AI is a good guy with an AI.”—Doctorow, possibly

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                • janamarie@mystical.gardenJ janamarie@mystical.garden

                  @tef I think the first part is one of the things that makes me extra angry. Much of what is now called "AI" is not exactly new or novel, we have used machine learning and generally stochastic approaches for ages, and it's great. I have applications where I can specifically activate a machine learning approach and it makes sense. But the lens of capitalism has 'forced' the companies to now slap a butthole next to the label, add a buzzword-adjective like "deep" and make it an "AI"-feature to compete. This sucks, I want to be happy using good software, not feel shame, leave us alone, fuck off with your capitalism

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                  #44

                  @janamarie @tef yeah, I hate the way these people vandalize language. I grew up as a cyberpunk fan excited by AI, robotics, space exploration and cryptography. Now I have to constantly append "but not like that" every time I talk about things that interest me. I guess I'm lucky I was never deeply interested in quantum physics. If they inflate a guitar or bicycle bubble next I'm going to lose it

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                  • tef@mastodon.socialT tef@mastodon.social

                    @Klara see also wat tyler i guess

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                    #45

                    @tef I wasn’t thinking about peasants, but about the protest/fights between craft guilds and whoever installed the clocks and control system.

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                    • tef@mastodon.socialT tef@mastodon.social

                      i've heard a few times that "waymos will make streets safer" so i went and looked up sf's traffic fatality statistics and they're pretty much identical

                      i mean, there is a slight increase over the last two years but there's sufficient variance to avoid suggesting a trend

                      as i understand it, waymos tend to take people off busses and other forms of transit, rather than out of their own cars

                      so i'm doubtful it will lower deaths on the road, just the number of busses

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                      #46

                      @tef Self-driving cars, have the *potential* to be safer, but only as part of a holistic change to the way we approach transportation and urban planning as a society that would include decreasing the need and desire for individual conveyances in the first place. Most of the rest of that change kinda has to happen *first* before self-driving cars will actually be able to provide any benefit.

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                      • tef@mastodon.socialT tef@mastodon.social

                        we're destroying the open web

                        we're burning down the closest thing i've ever seen in my life to the library of alexandria

                        and people are explaining to me how warm it keeps their hands, and maybe, in the future, the ashes will contain the secrets of the universe

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                        #47

                        @tef i do wonder if this is intentional, now that the internet has been fully scraped it doesn't need to exist any more and in fact must not because it can't be monetized/controlled like an llm service can be

                        i despair

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                        • tef@mastodon.socialT tef@mastodon.social

                          it feels like a lot of the arguments i hear boil down to "what if none of the bad things were happening right now, and instead, good things happened instead"

                          and sure, if that were true, things would be good

                          but, well, all of the bad things are happening already and none of the good things are any closer to appearing

                          and i'm just not confident "wait and see if everything reverses course" is a sensible way to evaluate the impact of new technologies

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                          #48

                          @tef What if the temperature of the water starts going back down again, magically? Then you frogs who jumped out are going to look pretty foolish!

                          Did I say water and frogs? What if climate change fixes itself magically? Why don't we wait and see?

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                          • tef@mastodon.socialT tef@mastodon.social

                            i've heard a few times that "waymos will make streets safer" so i went and looked up sf's traffic fatality statistics and they're pretty much identical

                            i mean, there is a slight increase over the last two years but there's sufficient variance to avoid suggesting a trend

                            as i understand it, waymos tend to take people off busses and other forms of transit, rather than out of their own cars

                            so i'm doubtful it will lower deaths on the road, just the number of busses

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                            #49

                            @tef Does anybody believe that in private investor pitches, Elon Musk tells people that RoboTaxis will mean that nobody needs to buy a Tesla? No!

                            He tells investors that the market for RoboTaxis are all the municipal transit lines everywhere, and that while Waymo may look like competition, they're actually frenemies dismantling public transit.

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                            • tef@mastodon.socialT tef@mastodon.social

                              i've heard a few times that "waymos will make streets safer" so i went and looked up sf's traffic fatality statistics and they're pretty much identical

                              i mean, there is a slight increase over the last two years but there's sufficient variance to avoid suggesting a trend

                              as i understand it, waymos tend to take people off busses and other forms of transit, rather than out of their own cars

                              so i'm doubtful it will lower deaths on the road, just the number of busses

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                              #50

                              @tef I suspect a Waymo is more likely to keep to the speed limit and less likely to run me over than a human driver.

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                              • vfig@mastodon.gamedev.placeV vfig@mastodon.gamedev.place

                                @EndlessMason @tef "The origin point for nearly all of those 'you work harder than a medieval peasant' memes and articles is Juliet Schor’s The Overworked American (1993). The argument has been debunked quite a few times…" — https://acoup.blog/2025/09/05/collections-life-work-death-and-the-peasant-part-ivb-working-days/

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                                #51

                                @vfig @tef
                                So they even had "you got time to lean? You got time to clean." back then too? Interesting.

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                                • tef@mastodon.socialT tef@mastodon.social

                                  we're destroying the open web

                                  we're burning down the closest thing i've ever seen in my life to the library of alexandria

                                  and people are explaining to me how warm it keeps their hands, and maybe, in the future, the ashes will contain the secrets of the universe

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                                  #52

                                  @tef I think we are more likely to be destroyed by a Vogon construction crew.

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                                  • tef@mastodon.socialT tef@mastodon.social

                                    @vfig @EndlessMason the point i was making in the post is that timekeeping, albeit good, has also been used as a means of control, and i am using the meme of a medieval peasant to satirise the belief that technology will save us

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                                    #53

                                    @tef @vfig @EndlessMason Certainly work can be thought of as a pleasure or a burden to some degree. Intensive production whether manual or automated accelerates #alienation and #conflict Overproduction is not sustainable and idleness does not produce creativity. All, is not for the best if people don’t do their best for each other. If just for a very few technology serves and protects those who abuse and destroy capital. Work, is for the worst! The good is for the many, the worst is for the few.

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                                    • tef@mastodon.socialT tef@mastodon.social

                                      the worst bit? i still like machine learning, i still think stochastic approaches can have benefits

                                      but if i wrote software that pushed vulnerable teenagers to suicide, or enabled people to sexually harass strangers with pornographic forgeries

                                      i would take a step back from the keyboard and ask my good buddy hans, "are we the baddies"

                                      or at least, i hope i'd ask those hard questions

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                                      #54

                                      @tef I listened to an excellent podcast yesterday on 'Neuroprivacy' - a brilliant example of cooperation between ethical/legal and technical expertise working very hard to make new neurotechnologies a net positive by considering and guarding against social harms whilst the technology is still developing.

                                      From the @eff podcast:
                                      https://cdn.simplecast.com/audio/1c515ea8-cb6d-4f72-8d17-bc9b7a566869/episodes/3955c653-7346-44d2-82e2-0238931bcfd9/audio/6ce9ce71-a66a-46ba-9472-890fadb7ff08/default_tc.mp3

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                                      • vfig@mastodon.gamedev.placeV vfig@mastodon.gamedev.place

                                        @EndlessMason @tef "The origin point for nearly all of those 'you work harder than a medieval peasant' memes and articles is Juliet Schor’s The Overworked American (1993). The argument has been debunked quite a few times…" — https://acoup.blog/2025/09/05/collections-life-work-death-and-the-peasant-part-ivb-working-days/

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                                        #55

                                        @vfig @EndlessMason @tef It does feed into a weird revanchism that is popular on both the right and the left, though.

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                                        • tef@mastodon.socialT tef@mastodon.social

                                          i don't want to be all "you are not immune to propaganda" but a lot of these arguments prey on optimism and hope that technology can lift people up

                                          but when you start to examine the rhetoric, like "what if <imaginary circumstance where the tools are useful>"

                                          or "bad thing? that's a lack of training and dicipline"

                                          it just feels like gun logic in a new outfit

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                                          #56

                                          @tef This comparison is really clarifying for me, because I'm coming up against a lot of "what if"s where blind people like me are used to justify AI because we benefit from it so much. Not all of which is imaginary but it's really exaggerated and context-specific.

                                          And the reaction to any problem I mention is "oh you/other blind people just need to learn about it, get used to it, skill issue." No! It is not just a skill issue.

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