DuckDuckGo's AI-free search saw nearly 28% more visits in the week following Google's insistence that people love AI mode.
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DuckDuckGo's AI-free search saw nearly 28% more visits in the week following Google's insistence that people love AI mode. Is anyone surprised by this result?
@nixCraft Still millions of users using Google search & ai
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@shaedrich @Mustardfacial @nixCraft
I didn't explain that very well. My point is, that back in the day Microsoft had a stranglehold on just about everything IT, at least for desktop use. Their Windows operating system was THE way to interact with the internet, multimedia and work.
Then came the mobile platforms, and suddenly Microsoft could no longer operate as if they owned everything. Windows was still king of the desktop, but a huge amount of users did not use a computer at all - they used tablets and phones with non-Microsoft operating systems, and they were now the majority of users.
Internet Explorer is probably the best example of what that meant for Microsoft. In the old days there was IE, and it was the browser your website had to be compatible with. It was slow and not very good, so along came Chrome and started eating Microsofts browser marketshare.
IE was still the king, but now you had to test for two browsers. Microsoft could still do things their way, at least to a point.
Then came Android and Chrome for Android, and suddenly Chrome was so far ahead that Microsoft lost the ability to operate independently. The result? - the end of IE and a surrender to the Chromium engine.
I am almost certainly that Google will face a similar downfall in the AI market.
@madsenandersc @Mustardfacial @nixCraft It's worth mentioning that TCP/IP is a UNIX thing, not an MS one. MS attempted to create a competitor protocol but failed badly. MS's browser was the shittiest browser you could possibly have. People only used it to download other browsers and it was a well known joke. So, MS being good at one thing and one thing only goes way back
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@shaedrich @Mustardfacial @nixCraft
I didn't explain that very well. My point is, that back in the day Microsoft had a stranglehold on just about everything IT, at least for desktop use. Their Windows operating system was THE way to interact with the internet, multimedia and work.
Then came the mobile platforms, and suddenly Microsoft could no longer operate as if they owned everything. Windows was still king of the desktop, but a huge amount of users did not use a computer at all - they used tablets and phones with non-Microsoft operating systems, and they were now the majority of users.
Internet Explorer is probably the best example of what that meant for Microsoft. In the old days there was IE, and it was the browser your website had to be compatible with. It was slow and not very good, so along came Chrome and started eating Microsofts browser marketshare.
IE was still the king, but now you had to test for two browsers. Microsoft could still do things their way, at least to a point.
Then came Android and Chrome for Android, and suddenly Chrome was so far ahead that Microsoft lost the ability to operate independently. The result? - the end of IE and a surrender to the Chromium engine.
I am almost certainly that Google will face a similar downfall in the AI market.
@madsenandersc @Mustardfacial @nixCraft It might also be worth mentioning that in between Chrome and Edge, there was Firefox, so you had to test for three browsers until IE was then neglected. I know, Firefox now has a vanishingly small market show but that hasn't always been the case
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@shaedrich @Mustardfacial @nixCraft
I didn't explain that very well. My point is, that back in the day Microsoft had a stranglehold on just about everything IT, at least for desktop use. Their Windows operating system was THE way to interact with the internet, multimedia and work.
Then came the mobile platforms, and suddenly Microsoft could no longer operate as if they owned everything. Windows was still king of the desktop, but a huge amount of users did not use a computer at all - they used tablets and phones with non-Microsoft operating systems, and they were now the majority of users.
Internet Explorer is probably the best example of what that meant for Microsoft. In the old days there was IE, and it was the browser your website had to be compatible with. It was slow and not very good, so along came Chrome and started eating Microsofts browser marketshare.
IE was still the king, but now you had to test for two browsers. Microsoft could still do things their way, at least to a point.
Then came Android and Chrome for Android, and suddenly Chrome was so far ahead that Microsoft lost the ability to operate independently. The result? - the end of IE and a surrender to the Chromium engine.
I am almost certainly that Google will face a similar downfall in the AI market.
@madsenandersc @Mustardfacial @nixCraft Google != Alphabet. Alphabet still has one of the biggest collections of data in the world, which is their primary(!) business model that will keep them relevant for a while. They are essentially an intelligence agency fake shop at an accommodation address
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If only DuckDuckGo would remember that I don't want AI in my search. Nope, every time I open a new tab, it's forgotten yet again.
@EverydayMoggie @nixCraft
Yeah that annoys me too, enough not to use it. I imagine it doesn't help that I deleted cookies each session. -
@madsenandersc @Mustardfacial @nixCraft Google != Alphabet. Alphabet still has one of the biggest collections of data in the world, which is their primary(!) business model that will keep them relevant for a while. They are essentially an intelligence agency fake shop at an accommodation address
@shaedrich @Mustardfacial @nixCraft
True - I was probably talking about Alphabet instead of Google, to be honest.
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@madsenandersc @Mustardfacial @nixCraft It might also be worth mentioning that in between Chrome and Edge, there was Firefox, so you had to test for three browsers until IE was then neglected. I know, Firefox now has a vanishingly small market show but that hasn't always been the case
@shaedrich @Mustardfacial @nixCraft
Right! I had actually all but forgotten about Mozilla and Firefox, but yes - there was a time when they were significant players as well.
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@wyliecoyoteuk @nixCraft I never said, Firefox was perfect. But so isn't DDG. That's all I was trying to say.
Glass houses don't need to be identical for it to be advisable not to throw stones from within.
@shaedrich @nixCraft For that matter, nor did I.
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@wyliecoyoteuk @shaedrich @nixCraft but DDG is not a search engine tough ... they simply are a Bing front-end
@hidikem @shaedrich @nixCraft Just to confuse things, imeant the DDG browser on Android
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@hidikem @shaedrich @nixCraft Just to confuse things, imeant the DDG browser on Android
@wyliecoyoteuk @shaedrich @nixCraft at the end of the day, i prefer to use actual real search engine but not their software.
Brave search engine + mojeek (will use qwant once they really have their own index).
but not brave browser or qwant if they still have one.
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@nixCraft Serious question: If Google dies, what happens to Android? Google effectively owns it and it shuttering the Android Open Source Project (AOSP) in September.
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@hidikem @shaedrich @nixCraft Just to confuse things, imeant the DDG browser on Android
@wyliecoyoteuk @hidikem @nixCraft To make the confusion perfect
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@nixCraft Duckduckgo isn't ai-free though?
@renardboy@mastodon.social @nixCraft@mastodon.social
noai.duckduckgo.com is.
Shame that this isn't the default
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DuckDuckGo's AI-free search saw nearly 28% more visits in the week following Google's insistence that people love AI mode. Is anyone surprised by this result?
Nope! Long-time fan of DuckDuckGo.
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DuckDuckGo's AI-free search saw nearly 28% more visits in the week following Google's insistence that people love AI mode. Is anyone surprised by this result?
@nixCraft I am frustrated by Duck Duck Go. I will continue to use it but it's search result accuracy is not quite as good as Google. However, I can live with it and get used to it. Maybe it is a PICNIC problem?
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@f4grx @nixCraft Yes, the general public doesn't care. On that we agree, what I am suggesting is more along the lines that if Google dies, and Android dies with it, then what happens? Does Google start remote bricking phones? Does Google Play no longer work?
For a large portion of people as long as the phone works, they don't care. But TikTok, Meta, Uber, et.al. are going to want to push updates to their apps, so how are they going to do so without a working app store?@Mustardfacial @f4grx@chaos.social @nixCraft Heard of RIM? Blackberry? Does anyone care now? Nothing lasts forever.
HarmonyOS is alive and well. Alternatives exit. The world doesn't have to follow US tech and increasingly it won't.
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@nixCraft Duckduckgo isn't ai-free though?
@renardboy@mastodon.social @nixCraft@mastodon.social they mean that users specifically use their noai.duckduckgo.com one.
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@nixCraft Serious question: If Google dies, what happens to Android? Google effectively owns it and it shuttering the Android Open Source Project (AOSP) in September.
@Mustardfacial @nixCraft I don't think we're at risk of that any time soon.
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DuckDuckGo's AI-free search saw nearly 28% more visits in the week following Google's insistence that people love AI mode. Is anyone surprised by this result?
@nixCraft But DDG is slopified too. Their No-AI mode gets a fraction of the visits of their main page.
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