I had a request for this one (text provided, believed to be correct, in part based on it being used by an "angry Welsh person") 😆
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@eclectech so you've already read some local Spanish translations. Most of Spanish dialects will have their own version of this.
But since Spanish is spoken by many, for media there is what is known as "neutral Spanish". Think of it like the transatlantic accent developed for English.
Anyway, probably the closest neutral Spanish version of this expression might be "con un [maldito] demonio", maldito for extra spiciness.
Meaning "by the [goddamn] devil". Not very rude, but thats TV for you.
@eclectech Now if you ask for a Colombian variety, I eant to say this particular one:
"Pero que carajos"
Carajo can feel very cathartic and if said with feeling. It can also be playful, depends on context and intonation.
Carajo is a word that you use to swear, but has no clear meaning. The oldest meaning is stick, euphemism for dick. But no one uses it in that way.
Another meaning is the high part of the mast on a boat (the crow's nest). You would be sent there as punishment (vete al carajo)
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As a Welsh learner, I grapple with mutations (where the spelling of a word varies depending on grammatical factors).
Of all the letters in the Welsh alphabet, the only ones not involved in mutation at any point are FF and S, which always amuses me, as FFS is what I often think while trying to learn mutations.
@suearcher @eclectech and even then Cymraeg has a little trick in that some words that look as if they start with s, really start with another letter - (y)stafell, (e)sgidiau. And don't mention (o)fferiad (from Y Cyfeiriadur gan Tony Ellis). Pob lwc.
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@eclectech In German, much of this is regional; "high German" does not have much colour. What I can think of is from southern dialects:
"Kreuz, Birnbaum und Hollerstauden!" - "Cross, pear tree, and elder bushes!". I'm given to understand that the etymology is "start a religiously loaded curse, but then change it to something you won't have to bring up at confession". Mostly it's satisfying to yell.
"Himmel, Arsch und Wolkenbruch" (or "... und Zwirn" or "... und Schornsteinfeger") - "heaven, arse, and sudden torrential rain" / "... and sewing thread" / "... and chimney sweep". Again, just very yellable, etymology otherwise unknown and probably unnecessary.
"Heilandzack!" shortened from "Heilands Sakrament" – "Saviour's sacrament".
@gabe @eclectech „Verfluchte Scheiße!“
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@suearcher @eclectech and even then Cymraeg has a little trick in that some words that look as if they start with s, really start with another letter - (y)stafell, (e)sgidiau. And don't mention (o)fferiad (from Y Cyfeiriadur gan Tony Ellis). Pob lwc.
o, FFS!
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@gabe @eclectech „Verfluchte Scheiße!“
@jlink @eclectech well yes, of course there are expletives, but what's in widespread use is of limited creativity. Expressing the balance of rage and ennui inherent in a well-delivered "oh, for fucks' sake" is not the Hochdeutsch way. Pick one, express it precisely.
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We are definitely on.
Have already seen that it's not going to be a translation as such, which is fine (and exactly why I wanted to ask Proper Human People).
It is definitely the sense and usage of FFS I'm after.
So... whatever you mutter under your breath when you see the news headlines in the morning, that's what works.
But if you can give me a literal translation too that would be ace - already a couple of interesting ones in the thread
@eclectech my russian is outdated by 15 years, but closest to ffs i can think of is “какого хера?” (verbatim, with which dick?). @mynameistillian can you verify?
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We are definitely on.
Have already seen that it's not going to be a translation as such, which is fine (and exactly why I wanted to ask Proper Human People).
It is definitely the sense and usage of FFS I'm after.
So... whatever you mutter under your breath when you see the news headlines in the morning, that's what works.
But if you can give me a literal translation too that would be ace - already a couple of interesting ones in the thread
@eclectech In Dutch, and currently living in The Hague, I would say something like "Krijg nou de tering!", or in local dialect spelling: "Krèg nâh de tering!".
We Dutch love to curse in disease-related terms, this would wish TB on something/someone, but in a general meaning, it would be closest to FFS.
(See also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_profanity#Profanity_related_to_illness_and_diseases)
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@eclectech my russian is outdated by 15 years, but closest to ffs i can think of is “какого хера?” (verbatim, with which dick?). @mynameistillian can you verify?
@kym @eclectech i think for fuck's sake is a bit more semantically different than какого хера, because the latter is more of a "what the fuck" type of exclamation, i.e. amazement or shock, meanwhile ffs is more "i am so done with this"
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@kym @eclectech i think for fuck's sake is a bit more semantically different than какого хера, because the latter is more of a "what the fuck" type of exclamation, i.e. amazement or shock, meanwhile ffs is more "i am so done with this"
@mynameistillian @eclectech then what would be closer to ffs? еблось оно все конём?
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@mynameistillian @eclectech then what would be closer to ffs? еблось оно все конём?
@kym @eclectech i think profane turns of phrase like "ёбаный в рот" or "ёб твою мать" fit more
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@kym @eclectech i think profane turns of phrase like "ёбаный в рот" or "ёб твою мать" fit more
@mynameistillian @eclectech thanks! as i’ve said, my russian is rusty plus i tend to go off the standard expressions for some flare. invoke a rusty anchor etc.
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@mynameistillian @eclectech thanks! as i’ve said, my russian is rusty plus i tend to go off the standard expressions for some flare. invoke a rusty anchor etc.
@kym @eclectech "якорь мне в жопу" is a very vibrant and funny variant, but much nonstandard lmao
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@kym @eclectech i think profane turns of phrase like "ёбаный в рот" or "ёб твою мать" fit more
@mynameistillian @eclectech btw, it’s ёб твою мать” and “ёбаный в рот”. poor Ё gets omitted these days
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@mynameistillian @eclectech btw, it’s ёб твою мать” and “ёбаный в рот”. poor Ё gets omitted these days
@kym @eclectech fair, fair!
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We are definitely on.
Have already seen that it's not going to be a translation as such, which is fine (and exactly why I wanted to ask Proper Human People).
It is definitely the sense and usage of FFS I'm after.
So... whatever you mutter under your breath when you see the news headlines in the morning, that's what works.
But if you can give me a literal translation too that would be ace - already a couple of interesting ones in the thread
@eclectech I think there might be no German equivalent, all I can think of is actually just "what the fuck/hell/...". So I tried to come up with a direct translation, and I think "um Fickeswillen" is a good thing to say in a dismayed way. Although "fickhalber" or "fickeswegen" sound fun too, but they're more practical words, more of a literal "I did this for the sake of fuck".
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@eclectech In Dutch, and currently living in The Hague, I would say something like "Krijg nou de tering!", or in local dialect spelling: "Krèg nâh de tering!".
We Dutch love to curse in disease-related terms, this would wish TB on something/someone, but in a general meaning, it would be closest to FFS.
(See also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_profanity#Profanity_related_to_illness_and_diseases)
@leonieke My friends from The Hague would say, "Krijg nou tieten!" (Now get tits). Probably an attempt to avoid the disease, but still baffling. @eclectech
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@eclectech In french I'd translate as "bordel de merde" (lit. "shit brothel"), or just "bordel" for short.
@laomaiweng @eclectech My French friends expanded this to "Merde putain bordel!"
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OK, lets give this a shot. Basically with my linguistics skills I will be able to do ONE more. That would be quite a short series. To make it longer a fedi collaboration will be required
If you fancy helping please let me know how to write "for fuck's sake" in your language (native, or one you're pretty fluent in - no literal translations from machines please).
Of course the big question is whether it's used elsewhere?
It *might* be a very short series
@eclectech In Dutch I'd say, "Wat zullen we NOU krijgen?!" It doesn't swear, but the meaning is the same.
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@leonieke My friends from The Hague would say, "Krijg nou tieten!" (Now get tits). Probably an attempt to avoid the disease, but still baffling. @eclectech
@EllenB @eclectech Hahaha, yeah, that's the more polite one
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As a Welsh learner, I grapple with mutations (where the spelling of a word varies depending on grammatical factors).
Of all the letters in the Welsh alphabet, the only ones not involved in mutation at any point are FF and S, which always amuses me, as FFS is what I often think while trying to learn mutations.
I can never decide whether Welsh changing the spelling of words base on the previous / next one is more or less confusing than English’s choice to change the pronunciation but not the spelling (e.g. the apple, the pair).
