Google has news on what you will need to do for still being able to sideload apps:

[daniel@gultsch.social]

@grote Yes and enabling the developer options in the first place is a non trivial thing either. (I mean for us that's second nature, but for regular users that's yet another step they have to learn how to do.)

Edit: The mic in that video looks like a fucking prop. No way the sound is actually recorded on that thing

[kouki21@unredacted.social]

@grote ok, what's freaking funny is this act is required UPON TURNING ON DEVELOPER MODE. Imagine if you need to do this every time you need to turn off developer mode because some banking apps check for developer mode. THIS IS HORRIBLE.

If you want to limit app installation, don't limit developer mode. Adb is borderline not ok but still, something else. Maybe this is only required if you need to enable app install from untrusted sources apk.

[kanary@sharkey.world]

@grote@chaos.social on Grapheneos you've to do the following

• Nothing
#grapheneos #fuckgoogle

[ahasty@techhub.social]

@leanderlindahl @grote

The only kind of side loading i know about

[anandu@mastodon.social]

@grote For developers, limited number of devices? Cool right? Also when can i turn of developers options? After 24 hours? What if google going to do something during that 24 hours like they going to install some app that going to monitor the apps we install or some walware app that activates after we install apps from other source so we will think its coz of that app.

[revan@shitpost.poridge.club]

@grote@chaos.social Stop using corporate language; this isn't a sideload, it's an installation. Just because it's done outside of Google Play Store doesn't make it any less of an installation. That's how they get to us - by taking away our speech.

[zeroase@fosstodon.org]

@grote "Advanced flow", meaning advanced cash flow into Google's greasy, greedy pockets.

[zeroase@fosstodon.org]

@grote "For power users, we think this is a fair trade-off." Now go and ask the power users.

[eingemaischt@chaos.social]

@grote will the phone be considered as "insecure" für banking apps?

[floreana@poliversity.it]

@grote
Allamaraine levels of complication.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Urixf-E6SWE

[vxo@digipres.club]

@grote
What the tricolor foaming fuck

[kurt@chaos.social]

@kanary @grote many usw grapheneOS with Google play. Let's see how they will do.

[khleedril@cyberplace.social]

@kepstin @LexYeen @grote The analogy I like to use is to imagine an old flour mill, with the loading door 30 feet in the air accompanied by an overhanging hook used to hold a hoist.

App stores are like loading flour by hoisting bags up to the virtually inaccessible loading door.

But if you just toss a bag of flour over your shoulder, walk in through the side door and go upstairs with it, no problem. That's side-loading!

[gunchleoc@mastodon.scot]

@deborahh @grote @gnomon It does say with biometrics or PIN, so you use your normal login method.

The whole thing is still though

[me@mastodon.cysioland.pl]

@AlisonW @LexYeen @grote it's a violation in Poland and when a driver runs you over while you're jaywalking you get a ticket

[lexlohr@chaos.social]

@grote It is about time the EU intervened. Setting up unreasonable hurdles to access third party apps is enforcing the own part of the duopoly of smartphone operating systems.

[theycallmehacked@social.tchncs.de]

@tootbrute @grote https://wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/Fairphone_5_(fairphone-fp5)

[tootbrute@fedi.arkadi.one]

@TheyCallMeHacked @grote i live in Taiwan. They do not sell them here. Don't sell Jolla either.

Not sure if Furiphone can be shipped here. I need to register to look at my shopping cart there weirdly.

[chand_v_post@mastodon.social]

@WAHa_06x36 @grote thanks for the explanation.
I feel like google did not think about real tools to help people beside make as hard as possible to use 3rd party software.
No anti virus (that windows has it), no isolation tools, app verifier, only google protect but not sure about it (is it enough) .

[vitskalicky@fosstodon.org]

@grote
1. Keep forcing every serious developer to register with Google and accept their terms
2. Make it look like a security and safety feature