The author of @allaboutberlin on how Google AI Overviews are killing independent web publishing, citing a 70% drop in traffic after seven years of steady growth.
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@everton137 @allaboutberlin We need a reversion to link circles (can’t remember what they’re called) before search existed. People just including other sites to visit at the bottom of their pages.
@ayl @everton137 @allaboutberlin webrings. They still exist.
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The author of @allaboutberlin on how Google AI Overviews are killing independent web publishing, citing a 70% drop in traffic after seven years of steady growth. His work trains the model. The model is replacing his site. There is no credit, clicks, or revenue. This is what the "enshittification" of the open web looks like in practice.
Hard to imagine moving to Berlin without stumbling upon his guides at some point.
#AI #OpenKnowledge #Berlin #Google #Enshittification #OpenWeb #IndieWeb
@everton137 @allaboutberlin just subscribed to RSS
Didnt know about the sitr. Pretty nice
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The author of @allaboutberlin on how Google AI Overviews are killing independent web publishing, citing a 70% drop in traffic after seven years of steady growth. His work trains the model. The model is replacing his site. There is no credit, clicks, or revenue. This is what the "enshittification" of the open web looks like in practice.
Hard to imagine moving to Berlin without stumbling upon his guides at some point.
#AI #OpenKnowledge #Berlin #Google #Enshittification #OpenWeb #IndieWeb
@everton137 @allaboutberlin Thing is, I would be prepared to bet it's _not_ being trained on their site specifically. I bet it's a generically trained LLM that is live querying Google's cache of their website and "summarising" it (and other related content). In other words, it would bypass the debate about training and copyright. It could be incontrovertibly live copyright infringement.
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The author of @allaboutberlin on how Google AI Overviews are killing independent web publishing, citing a 70% drop in traffic after seven years of steady growth. His work trains the model. The model is replacing his site. There is no credit, clicks, or revenue. This is what the "enshittification" of the open web looks like in practice.
Hard to imagine moving to Berlin without stumbling upon his guides at some point.
#AI #OpenKnowledge #Berlin #Google #Enshittification #OpenWeb #IndieWeb
@everton137 @allaboutberlin
or maybe, people will start distribute their work in a non-indexable channel, like email newsletter, or more. -
@NatureMC I think to wait for the politicians to act would be a mistake. We should start to poison their LLMs on a large scale.
@CyberPunker @NatureMC @everton137 @allaboutberlin How do you do that without poisoning the sources you’re trying to preserve?
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@everton137
Google is shooting itself in the foot. For one thing, no tracking or ad impressions are generated on websites. Additionaly, other search engines will likely start to gain ground.
@allaboutberlin@beandev @everton137 @allaboutberlin seems for tracking Google has a plan: they already own a large part of our mails, documents, phones,...
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@CyberPunker @NatureMC @everton137 @allaboutberlin How do you do that without poisoning the sources you’re trying to preserve?
@scottishwildcat
Trying to identify the AI Scraper and serve them other content than humans.
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@everton137 @allaboutberlin Sooo.... when Google AI kills all the web.... the fuck the AI going to pull answers from?
@hellomiakoda a handful of "news providers" with licensing deals, and just making stuff up
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The author of @allaboutberlin on how Google AI Overviews are killing independent web publishing, citing a 70% drop in traffic after seven years of steady growth. His work trains the model. The model is replacing his site. There is no credit, clicks, or revenue. This is what the "enshittification" of the open web looks like in practice.
Hard to imagine moving to Berlin without stumbling upon his guides at some point.
#AI #OpenKnowledge #Berlin #Google #Enshittification #OpenWeb #IndieWeb
@everton137 @allaboutberlin
Qwant.Com
-->independence. -
The author of @allaboutberlin on how Google AI Overviews are killing independent web publishing, citing a 70% drop in traffic after seven years of steady growth. His work trains the model. The model is replacing his site. There is no credit, clicks, or revenue. This is what the "enshittification" of the open web looks like in practice.
Hard to imagine moving to Berlin without stumbling upon his guides at some point.
#AI #OpenKnowledge #Berlin #Google #Enshittification #OpenWeb #IndieWeb
@everton137 @allaboutberlin It's almost funny how on-the-nose another recent example is: overfishing.org. The content harvester/processor is literally overfishing the content fishery. In the real world, overfishing was allowed to happen until enough bounty was destroyed that the surviving processors recognized their doom and got laws passed to restrain each other. Is something like that possible here? It's not a perfect analogy (previously harvested fish can be endlessly recycled, the crisis is more on the margin, processor concentration is much higher), but maybe?
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The author of @allaboutberlin on how Google AI Overviews are killing independent web publishing, citing a 70% drop in traffic after seven years of steady growth. His work trains the model. The model is replacing his site. There is no credit, clicks, or revenue. This is what the "enshittification" of the open web looks like in practice.
Hard to imagine moving to Berlin without stumbling upon his guides at some point.
#AI #OpenKnowledge #Berlin #Google #Enshittification #OpenWeb #IndieWeb
@everton137 This is exactly why I've stuck to native iOS apps over web tools, but even the App Store feels precarious now. Seeing years of hand-curated, high-quality work get digested into an LLM with zero return for the creator is incredibly demoralizing for any indie builder.
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The author of @allaboutberlin on how Google AI Overviews are killing independent web publishing, citing a 70% drop in traffic after seven years of steady growth. His work trains the model. The model is replacing his site. There is no credit, clicks, or revenue. This is what the "enshittification" of the open web looks like in practice.
Hard to imagine moving to Berlin without stumbling upon his guides at some point.
#AI #OpenKnowledge #Berlin #Google #Enshittification #OpenWeb #IndieWeb
@everton137 @allaboutberlin Then stop supporting Google. If you're not making money from you better ignore it and do your work to be indexed by other search engines. They'll replace you anyway soon. Fuck SEO. Maybe we should come back to build curated indexes of directories.
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@ayl @everton137 @allaboutberlin Webrings. They didn't last all that long, but we could revisit the idea.
@Steve @ayl @everton137 @allaboutberlin
Already done:"Before Google, before Facebook, in the internet that time forgot, we needed a way to find websites. By joining a webring with similar-themed sites we can help each other out by cross-linking between them."
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@Steve @ayl @everton137 @allaboutberlin
Already done:"Before Google, before Facebook, in the internet that time forgot, we needed a way to find websites. By joining a webring with similar-themed sites we can help each other out by cross-linking between them."
https://faircamp.webr.ing/directory.html@dec23k @Steve @everton137 @allaboutberlin thanks for sharing!
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@ayl @everton137 @allaboutberlin webrings. They still exist.
@Ooze @ayl @everton137 @allaboutberlin
I put some webring links here:
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@everton137 @allaboutberlin Then stop supporting Google. If you're not making money from you better ignore it and do your work to be indexed by other search engines. They'll replace you anyway soon. Fuck SEO. Maybe we should come back to build curated indexes of directories.
@sterpeto @everton137 @allaboutberlin
Bring back webrings. In fact, I am going to add one to my site this weekend!
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The author of @allaboutberlin on how Google AI Overviews are killing independent web publishing, citing a 70% drop in traffic after seven years of steady growth. His work trains the model. The model is replacing his site. There is no credit, clicks, or revenue. This is what the "enshittification" of the open web looks like in practice.
Hard to imagine moving to Berlin without stumbling upon his guides at some point.
#AI #OpenKnowledge #Berlin #Google #Enshittification #OpenWeb #IndieWeb
Let them open an account on non-US social media, and see if Mojeek (a 100% UK searchmachine) can do something for them.
The worst thing to do is to complain (which is understandable) but then change nothing.
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Let them open an account on non-US social media, and see if Mojeek (a 100% UK searchmachine) can do something for them.
The worst thing to do is to complain (which is understandable) but then change nothing.
@itchi5 The problem is, even if @allaboutberlin switches to using a different search engine themselves by yesterday, they can't stop anybody else from using Google as their search engine. So, raising awareness or trying to put pressure on politicians is the only thing they can do really.
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@scottishwildcat
Trying to identify the AI Scraper and serve them other content than humans.
There are projects to do something like that, if i am not mistaken.@CyberPunker @scottishwildcat @NatureMC @everton137 @allaboutberlin
A long time ago, people used to hotlink to my photographs. I guess bandwidth was expensive.
I could modify an .htaccess file to serve a different, sometimes rude, photograph based on, I think (without looking stuff up and trying to understand it) referer.Maybe something like that could be done based on ip address?
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@everton137 @allaboutberlin It's almost funny how on-the-nose another recent example is: overfishing.org. The content harvester/processor is literally overfishing the content fishery. In the real world, overfishing was allowed to happen until enough bounty was destroyed that the surviving processors recognized their doom and got laws passed to restrain each other. Is something like that possible here? It's not a perfect analogy (previously harvested fish can be endlessly recycled, the crisis is more on the margin, processor concentration is much higher), but maybe?
