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  • worik@mastodon.socialW worik@mastodon.social

    @argv_minus_one @wobweger @libreoffice @grvsmth @moskitokoenig

    Have you tried using a coding agent in a suitable domain? (They are not original, they are thorough)

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    #139

    @worik @argv_minus_one @wobweger @libreoffice @grvsmth @moskitokoenig I don't need to try shooting at people with a gun to know it's bad.

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    • worik@mastodon.socialW worik@mastodon.social

      @argv_minus_one @grvsmth @Garonenur @wobweger @moskitokoenig

      I think the point, Greg's in the video, and mine here, is these are tools and need to be wielded. Careless use has bad results

      Careful use increases the reach of the user

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      #140

      @worik
      https://deadsimpletech.com/blog/no-such-thing-as-just-a-tool
      By @iris_meredith
      https://tante.cc/2026/04/21/ai-as-a-fascist-artifact/
      By @tante

      Somewhere in this discussion drug dealers get mentioned.
      All of the people trying to convince me to use AI sound like addicts trying to sell me drugs so they can justify their own (mis-) use.
      And I *hate* drugs of any kind.

      @argv_minus_one @grvsmth @wobweger @moskitokoenig

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      • argv_minus_one@mastodon.sdf.orgA argv_minus_one@mastodon.sdf.org

        @worik

        Yes, and that's the hard part of programming anyway.

        I don't need help writing code. I have perfectly serviceable hands and keyboard with which to do so.

        It would be helpful if AI could reason about code and invent a novel solution to the problem at hand…but if it can do that, then it also can, and probably will, go full Skynet and kill us all.

        @grvsmth @Garonenur @wobweger @moskitokoenig

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        #141

        @argv_minus_one @worik
        The creation of code was never the bottleneck anyway

        https://debuggingleadership.com/blog/if-you-thought-the-speed-of-writing-code-was-your-problem-you-have-bigger-problems

        @grvsmth @wobweger @moskitokoenig

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        • libreoffice@fosstodon.orgL libreoffice@fosstodon.org

          @cosmin @argv_minus_one Ah, another high-quality Mastodon discussion. Again: No core developers use LLMs. We rely on contributions from the wider community and don't explicitly list tools people can't use – but we do require people disclose when they use LLMs and generally discourage the practice. We carefully review submissions by contributors to make sure the code quality is good and that the patch author understands their own code. LLMs are prohibited for students. That is not "slop".

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          #142

          @libreoffice @cosmin @argv_minus_one although I disagree with Libreoffice's LLM policy, it's still better than debian. I appreciate that Libreoffice's stance on AI features, and I also appreciate that Libreoffice exists.

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          • garonenur@rollenspiel.socialG garonenur@rollenspiel.social

            @argv_minus_one @worik
            The creation of code was never the bottleneck anyway

            https://debuggingleadership.com/blog/if-you-thought-the-speed-of-writing-code-was-your-problem-you-have-bigger-problems

            @grvsmth @wobweger @moskitokoenig

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            #143

            @Garonenur @argv_minus_one @worik @wobweger @moskitokoenig This is a great post, thanks!

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            • kekunplazas@mamot.frK kekunplazas@mamot.fr

              @worik @argv_minus_one @wobweger @libreoffice @grvsmth @moskitokoenig I don't need to try shooting at people with a gun to know it's bad.

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              #144

              @KekunPlazas

              Indeed. Because we've observed what happens to other people who are shot with a gun.

              Some people, however, seem incapable of learning from the misfortunes of others. Not sure why, but it's terribly harmful to them and to society as a whole.

              @worik @wobweger @libreoffice @grvsmth @moskitokoenig

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              • brucelawson@social.vivaldi.netB brucelawson@social.vivaldi.net

                @libreoffice Nice. Here in Norway, we've been doing the no (built in) AI features too: https://vivaldi.com/blog/keep-exploring/

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                #145

                @brucelawson @libreoffice thank goodness. saves me having to build my own browser.

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                • libreoffice@fosstodon.orgL libreoffice@fosstodon.org

                  Yes, no (built-in) AI is now a feature

                  https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2026/09/03/yes-no-ai-is-now-a-feature/

                  #LibreOffice #Technology

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                  #146

                  @libreoffice@fosstodon.org this is so performative. stop allowing ai code contributions.

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                  • libreoffice@fosstodon.orgL libreoffice@fosstodon.org

                    Yes, no (built-in) AI is now a feature

                    https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2026/09/03/yes-no-ai-is-now-a-feature/

                    #LibreOffice #Technology

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                    #147

                    @libreoffice I feel it's how "without poison food" (organic) came to existence : and it's depressing.

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                    • libreoffice@fosstodon.orgL libreoffice@fosstodon.org

                      @Jeff None of the core developers use them. We rely on contributions from the wider community and don't explicitly list tools people can and can't use – but we do require people disclose when they use LLMs and generally discourage the practice. We carefully review submissions by contributors to make sure the code quality is good and that the patch author understands their own code. LLMs are prohibited for students and other mentored work.

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                      #148

                      @libreoffice

                      LLMs are prohibited for students and other mentored work.

                      This is good. Kudos. Nobody will learn anything otherwise.

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                      • libreoffice@fosstodon.orgL libreoffice@fosstodon.org

                        Yes, no (built-in) AI is now a feature

                        https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2026/09/03/yes-no-ai-is-now-a-feature/

                        #LibreOffice #Technology

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                        #149

                        @libreoffice cc @mozilla , you might want to read this one...

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                        • parrot@woof.techP parrot@woof.tech

                          @libreoffice so you're telling me that libreoffice is "Zuzai"? (https://zuzai.org)

                          congrats!!

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                          #150

                          @parrot @libreoffice I like making words myself, but I have questions.

                          You mention it is an acronym. What is an acronym for?

                          When you present a new word, you need to very clear from the getgo what the origin of the word is, what images it leans upon, what meaning you attribute to it. If you don't do this, then the word is going to end up being superficial.

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                          • vegafjord@bustyvelbolet.noV vegafjord@bustyvelbolet.no

                            @parrot @libreoffice I like making words myself, but I have questions.

                            You mention it is an acronym. What is an acronym for?

                            When you present a new word, you need to very clear from the getgo what the origin of the word is, what images it leans upon, what meaning you attribute to it. If you don't do this, then the word is going to end up being superficial.

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                            #151

                            @parrot @libreoffice
                            I would drop the part of whether the word is an acronym, retronym.

                            Do not bring up widespread adoption, future will reveal itself anyways.

                            Should we be clear what we mean by AI? No, let people judge by themselves what they consider AI, let language live it's life.

                            Using an existing word? Or using loanwords? Good question, but this just reveals hesitation about your word. You should not hesitate if you are serious.

                            The text oozes with hesitation. Not a good sign.

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                            • vegafjord@bustyvelbolet.noV vegafjord@bustyvelbolet.no

                              @parrot @libreoffice
                              I would drop the part of whether the word is an acronym, retronym.

                              Do not bring up widespread adoption, future will reveal itself anyways.

                              Should we be clear what we mean by AI? No, let people judge by themselves what they consider AI, let language live it's life.

                              Using an existing word? Or using loanwords? Good question, but this just reveals hesitation about your word. You should not hesitate if you are serious.

                              The text oozes with hesitation. Not a good sign.

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                              #152

                              @parrot @libreoffice

                              I love that you are chalking the word, spending time on making the text and make a webpage, this shows some committment.

                              You would benefit a lot from revealing the meaning, the soul, the nature of the word as early as possible. Then show how we can use this word in everyday contexts. Can you think of a meaningful sentence that would showcase the force of the word?

                              Paint the word for us. Make sure it is not abstract, but something that feels real.

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                              • vegafjord@bustyvelbolet.noV vegafjord@bustyvelbolet.no

                                @parrot @libreoffice

                                I love that you are chalking the word, spending time on making the text and make a webpage, this shows some committment.

                                You would benefit a lot from revealing the meaning, the soul, the nature of the word as early as possible. Then show how we can use this word in everyday contexts. Can you think of a meaningful sentence that would showcase the force of the word?

                                Paint the word for us. Make sure it is not abstract, but something that feels real.

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                                #153

                                @vegafjord @libreoffice

                                wha

                                i didnt make the webpage i js thought it was cool

                                but sure ig

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                                • worik@mastodon.socialW worik@mastodon.social

                                  @argv_minus_one @wobweger @libreoffice @grvsmth @moskitokoenig That is what generative AI is useful for.

                                  It is very good at generating computer code and will vastly increase the quality of what professional programmers can produce.

                                  That is my experience

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                                  #154

                                  @worik @argv_minus_one @wobweger @libreoffice @grvsmth @moskitokoenig No.

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                                  • worik@mastodon.socialW worik@mastodon.social

                                    @argv_minus_one @wobweger @libreoffice @grvsmth @moskitokoenig That is what generative AI is useful for.

                                    It is very good at generating computer code and will vastly increase the quality of what professional programmers can produce.

                                    That is my experience

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                                    #155

                                    @worik

                                    counterpoint: https://ai-sucks-actually.fyi/

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                                    • argv_minus_one@mastodon.sdf.orgA argv_minus_one@mastodon.sdf.org

                                      @wobweger @libreoffice @grvsmth @moskitokoenig

                                      It's still coded using AI, same as what Debian just decided to do.

                                      https://github.com/LibreOffice/core/commit/70c7f6ba49cfc506fc47dac32af98976ecf33cf8

                                      https://github.com/LibreOffice/core/commit/42cdc47554fa746baa863860143fc81fe8bb1c80

                                      https://github.com/LibreOffice/core/commit/7c0d875aca090de4f4d1164578683c0b7e0c6040

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                                      #156

                                      @argv_minus_one without passing any judgment on LO cos idk their internal policy;

                                      that commit message is cute, it's like a snapshot of my colleagues six mo ago when they still bothered to read anything it extruded

                                      @wobweger @libreoffice @grvsmth @moskitokoenig

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                                      • libreoffice@fosstodon.orgL libreoffice@fosstodon.org

                                        @cosmin @argv_minus_one Ah, another high-quality Mastodon discussion. Again: No core developers use LLMs. We rely on contributions from the wider community and don't explicitly list tools people can't use – but we do require people disclose when they use LLMs and generally discourage the practice. We carefully review submissions by contributors to make sure the code quality is good and that the patch author understands their own code. LLMs are prohibited for students. That is not "slop".

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                                        #157

                                        @libreoffice @cosmin @argv_minus_one You lied to us. Just stop using slop before it gets worse and LibreOffice drives off a cliff like the other sloppers do.

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                                        • argv_minus_one@mastodon.sdf.orgA argv_minus_one@mastodon.sdf.org

                                          @wobweger @libreoffice @grvsmth @moskitokoenig

                                          It's still coded using AI, same as what Debian just decided to do.

                                          https://github.com/LibreOffice/core/commit/70c7f6ba49cfc506fc47dac32af98976ecf33cf8

                                          https://github.com/LibreOffice/core/commit/42cdc47554fa746baa863860143fc81fe8bb1c80

                                          https://github.com/LibreOffice/core/commit/7c0d875aca090de4f4d1164578683c0b7e0c6040

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                                          #158

                                          @argv_minus_one @wobweger @libreoffice @grvsmth @moskitokoenig Oh gross 😞
                                          Is there a viable alternative to LibreOffice that hasn't been neglected for fifteen years?

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