Stockpile advice is not realistic, say low income families
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@afewbugs Good to see this issue highlighted. This reminded me of a motivating news story here (Denmark) about Hals, a town of 2,500 residents, many elderly. They've pooled their emergency preparations. As a community, they've collectively made sure everyone has enough to last 7 days; there's designated shelter spaces; the local shop has pre-planned emergency stock boxes etc. Great way to take care of everyone, including those for whom money, mobility or space is tight.
https://www.dr.dk/nyheder/indland/i-denne-skal-alle-vaere-klar-til-de-kriser-som-ingen-haaber-kommer
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@BashStKid @afewbugs The flip side of that story is that only 12% of Danes in a national survey said they were part of collective preparations in their local area. But 40% said they would like to be, if the authorities offered group plans. The Hals initiative seems to be especially good because one great local woman started the work and got it all going.
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@BashStKid @afewbugs The flip side of that story is that only 12% of Danes in a national survey said they were part of collective preparations in their local area. But 40% said they would like to be, if the authorities offered group plans. The Hals initiative seems to be especially good because one great local woman started the work and got it all going.
stockpiling food wasn't even realistic in the days of Protect and Survive (although the suggested food list for the nuclear shelter wasn't that far off what someone living alone and/or with less influence from multicultural cuisines would have been eating anyway in 1981)
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stockpiling food wasn't even realistic in the days of Protect and Survive (although the suggested food list for the nuclear shelter wasn't that far off what someone living alone and/or with less influence from multicultural cuisines would have been eating anyway in 1981)
@vfrmedia @CiaraNi @BashStKid my parents stocked up on tinned food after September the 11th, my Mum called it her Bin Larder. It took them years to get through it because it turns out no one actually likes Spam
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@vfrmedia @CiaraNi @BashStKid my parents stocked up on tinned food after September the 11th, my Mum called it her Bin Larder. It took them years to get through it because it turns out no one actually likes Spam
to be fair a lot of the modern prepper stuff I have been seeing seems to have more enjoyable food and takes into account the influences of multicultural Britain (I didn't even know it was possible to preserve Rogan Josh in a jar, but someone up North was doing exactly that)
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to be fair a lot of the modern prepper stuff I have been seeing seems to have more enjoyable food and takes into account the influences of multicultural Britain (I didn't even know it was possible to preserve Rogan Josh in a jar, but someone up North was doing exactly that)
@vfrmedia @CiaraNi @BashStKid tbf these are our go to camping meals with packet rice, I'd be very happy subsisting on them for a bit https://adf-foods.com/our-brands/ashoka/shelf-table-products/ready-to-eat/ (The distinction between "vegan" and "normal" does make me snigger a bit)
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@afewbugs Good to see this issue highlighted. This reminded me of a motivating news story here (Denmark) about Hals, a town of 2,500 residents, many elderly. They've pooled their emergency preparations. As a community, they've collectively made sure everyone has enough to last 7 days; there's designated shelter spaces; the local shop has pre-planned emergency stock boxes etc. Great way to take care of everyone, including those for whom money, mobility or space is tight.
https://www.dr.dk/nyheder/indland/i-denne-skal-alle-vaere-klar-til-de-kriser-som-ingen-haaber-kommer
Yes. Having supplies for a week to ten days is more realistic. The UK's three days is a typically inadequate half-step.
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@vfrmedia @CiaraNi @BashStKid my parents stocked up on tinned food after September the 11th, my Mum called it her Bin Larder. It took them years to get through it because it turns out no one actually likes Spam
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@BashStKid @vfrmedia @CiaraNi there's a theory that the reason bee stings for arthritis are a thing in so much folk medicine is that your body can only process one pain at a time, so if you give it a sudden sharp pain it stops noticing the duller chronic one. I think a similar principle may apply here
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@BashStKid @vfrmedia @CiaraNi there's a theory that the reason bee stings for arthritis are a thing in so much folk medicine is that your body can only process one pain at a time, so if you give it a sudden sharp pain it stops noticing the duller chronic one. I think a similar principle may apply here
@afewbugs @BashStKid @CiaraNi Izal loo roll is long discontinued, but Reform have been putting free newspapers through doors in parts of SE and Eastern England..
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@BashStKid @vfrmedia @CiaraNi there's a theory that the reason bee stings for arthritis are a thing in so much folk medicine is that your body can only process one pain at a time, so if you give it a sudden sharp pain it stops noticing the duller chronic one. I think a similar principle may apply here
@afewbugs @BashStKid @vfrmedia @CiaraNi
there's also this:
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11598298/ (paper on the therapeutic potential of bee/wasp venom)
etc., so maybe there's some therapeutic agent in the loo roll that science just hasn't discovered yet?
or, erm, maybe not. you might be better with bees. -
@BashStKid @afewbugs @vfrmedia @CiaraNi they both have their uses. Spam is perfect if you need a projectile to stave off bears or raiders (i also quite like it when it's sliced about 1cm thick and fried until it's crispy, but don't tell), and Izal is (well, was) a ready supply of tracing paper
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stockpiling food wasn't even realistic in the days of Protect and Survive (although the suggested food list for the nuclear shelter wasn't that far off what someone living alone and/or with less influence from multicultural cuisines would have been eating anyway in 1981)
@vfrmedia @BashStKid @afewbugs True
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@vfrmedia @CiaraNi @BashStKid my parents stocked up on tinned food after September the 11th, my Mum called it her Bin Larder. It took them years to get through it because it turns out no one actually likes Spam
@afewbugs @vfrmedia @CiaraNi @BashStKid the problem is, it gets caught in the spam filter.
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@vfrmedia @CiaraNi @BashStKid my parents stocked up on tinned food after September the 11th, my Mum called it her Bin Larder. It took them years to get through it because it turns out no one actually likes Spam
@afewbugs @vfrmedia @BashStKid Bin Larder! That's so good. I see a running plot thread in a novel here, a couple eating their way through Spam, week after week, year after year, for so long that they have grandchildren who don't get the Bin Larder joke because it's now archaic.
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@afewbugs @BashStKid @CiaraNi Izal loo roll is long discontinued, but Reform have been putting free newspapers through doors in parts of SE and Eastern England..
@vfrmedia @afewbugs @BashStKid @CiaraNi I had to look up what Izal is. It's horrible and I'm glad this isn't a thing in Germany -
to be fair a lot of the modern prepper stuff I have been seeing seems to have more enjoyable food and takes into account the influences of multicultural Britain (I didn't even know it was possible to preserve Rogan Josh in a jar, but someone up North was doing exactly that)
@vfrmedia @afewbugs @BashStKid Rogan Josh in a jar! I never thought of this. Suddenly my emergency stocks seem potentially more tasty.
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@vfrmedia @CiaraNi @BashStKid tbf these are our go to camping meals with packet rice, I'd be very happy subsisting on them for a bit https://adf-foods.com/our-brands/ashoka/shelf-table-products/ready-to-eat/ (The distinction between "vegan" and "normal" does make me snigger a bit)
@afewbugs @vfrmedia @BashStKid Those certainly look like better, tastier ready-meals than the usual spammier kinds.
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@afewbugs @BashStKid @vfrmedia @CiaraNi
there's also this:
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11598298/ (paper on the therapeutic potential of bee/wasp venom)
etc., so maybe there's some therapeutic agent in the loo roll that science just hasn't discovered yet?
or, erm, maybe not. you might be better with bees.@moonrabbit @BashStKid @vfrmedia @CiaraNi it's hard to catch enough of them for a proper wipe though
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@huntingdon @afewbugs Three days' self-sufficiency is the default recommendation in Scandinavian countries too. Seems to be calculated to give emergency services breathing space immediately after a disaster. The seven-day framework for the Hals community doing collective preparation is something they decided to aim for themselves, am extra goal.
