@Lazarou This is true, but I'm talking systemic level. If you join a soccer club & your idea of participation is running onto the pitch & kicking your teammates in the nuts, the club will throw you out, even if you paid your dues & abided by the (other) rules of the club & the audience likes you. Democracy is much like that; you shouldn't be able to use its systems in this way if all you're doing is subverting them - we should find out how to deal with that sort of thing.