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Dear Europe: Germany has shown the way forward, by making the Open Document Format (ODF) mandatory within its sovereign digital infrastructure.

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  • libreoffice@fosstodon.orgL libreoffice@fosstodon.org

    Dear Europe: Germany has shown the way forward, by making the Open Document Format (ODF) mandatory within its sovereign digital infrastructure. Now it's time for other countries to do the same! https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2026/03/23/dear-europe/ #foss #opensource #freesoftware #openstandards

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    #4

    @libreoffice I just have one question. What’s the must to use the open document formats instead of the ones from Microsoft, even if you open them in LibreOffice ?

    mkljczk@pl.fediverse.plM zvava@bbs.619.huZ libreoffice@fosstodon.orgL 3 Replies Last reply
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    • libreoffice@fosstodon.orgL libreoffice@fosstodon.org

      Dear Europe: Germany has shown the way forward, by making the Open Document Format (ODF) mandatory within its sovereign digital infrastructure. Now it's time for other countries to do the same! https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2026/03/23/dear-europe/ #foss #opensource #freesoftware #openstandards

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      #5

      @libreoffice

      Bravo!

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      • jonxion@mstdn.socialJ jonxion@mstdn.social

        @libreoffice I just have one question. What’s the must to use the open document formats instead of the ones from Microsoft, even if you open them in LibreOffice ?

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        #6

        @jonxion@mstdn.social @libreoffice@fosstodon.org because ODF is the standard that’s actually meant to be implementable by different office suites. So-called OOXML standard is overly complex and favorises Microsoft software by design.

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        • jonxion@mstdn.socialJ jonxion@mstdn.social

          @libreoffice I just have one question. What’s the must to use the open document formats instead of the ones from Microsoft, even if you open them in LibreOffice ?

          zvava@bbs.619.huZ This user is from outside of this forum
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          #7
          @jonxion @libreoffice almost certainly down to it being properly standardized, and just a hunch, but it might be editable/readable by more programs as well
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          • jonxion@mstdn.socialJ jonxion@mstdn.social

            @libreoffice I just have one question. What’s the must to use the open document formats instead of the ones from Microsoft, even if you open them in LibreOffice ?

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            #8

            @jonxion See here: https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2026/02/06/why-ooxml-is-not-a-standard-format-for-office-documents/

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            • libreoffice@fosstodon.orgL libreoffice@fosstodon.org

              Dear Europe: Germany has shown the way forward, by making the Open Document Format (ODF) mandatory within its sovereign digital infrastructure. Now it's time for other countries to do the same! https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2026/03/23/dear-europe/ #foss #opensource #freesoftware #openstandards

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              #9

              @libreoffice 👍👍👍

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              • libreoffice@fosstodon.orgL libreoffice@fosstodon.org

                Dear Europe: Germany has shown the way forward, by making the Open Document Format (ODF) mandatory within its sovereign digital infrastructure. Now it's time for other countries to do the same! https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2026/03/23/dear-europe/ #foss #opensource #freesoftware #openstandards

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                #10

                @libreoffice go Germany!

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                • libreoffice@fosstodon.orgL libreoffice@fosstodon.org

                  Dear Europe: Germany has shown the way forward, by making the Open Document Format (ODF) mandatory within its sovereign digital infrastructure. Now it's time for other countries to do the same! https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2026/03/23/dear-europe/ #foss #opensource #freesoftware #openstandards

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                  #11

                  @libreoffice yes please..

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                  • libreoffice@fosstodon.orgL libreoffice@fosstodon.org

                    Dear Europe: Germany has shown the way forward, by making the Open Document Format (ODF) mandatory within its sovereign digital infrastructure. Now it's time for other countries to do the same! https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2026/03/23/dear-europe/ #foss #opensource #freesoftware #openstandards

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                    #12

                    @libreoffice I mean, there's also #markdown and #latex. ODF isn't the only one, but it's certainly one of the important standards.

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                    • libreoffice@fosstodon.orgL libreoffice@fosstodon.org

                      Dear Europe: Germany has shown the way forward, by making the Open Document Format (ODF) mandatory within its sovereign digital infrastructure. Now it's time for other countries to do the same! https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2026/03/23/dear-europe/ #foss #opensource #freesoftware #openstandards

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                      #13

                      @libreoffice Finally a good decision. Open files and platforms are the base for all subsequent actions.

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                      • fallbackerik@mastodon.socialF fallbackerik@mastodon.social

                        @libreoffice I mean, there's also #markdown and #latex. ODF isn't the only one, but it's certainly one of the important standards.

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                        #14

                        @fallbackerik Of course, those formats are useful too.

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                        • diogoconstantino@masto.ptD diogoconstantino@masto.pt

                          @libreoffice This has been the truth in multiple countries for some time, including in Portugal, but the governments don't always follow their own mandates for themselves. In Portugal @ansol monitors violation of this type of mandate for government institutions:

                          https://ansol.org/iniciativas/monitorizacao-rnid/

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                          #15

                          @DiogoConstantino @libreoffice @ansol That works fine until Microsoft shows up at the top executives' offices with black briefcases in hand and disappears without ever coming back out.

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                          • christiansblog@mastodon.socialC christiansblog@mastodon.social

                            @DiogoConstantino @libreoffice @ansol That works fine until Microsoft shows up at the top executives' offices with black briefcases in hand and disappears without ever coming back out.

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                            #16

                            @DiogoConstantino @libreoffice @ansol We’ve seen it happen here in Germany—in Munich, to be exact. For 13 years, the city government had relied on Linux. For 13 years, apart from a few minor issues, there were no complaints. Then a new mayor came along, along with Microsoft and a big black briefcase, promising to move the company’s German headquarters to Munich if the city switched to Windows.

                            Well, what can I say? Munich is once again in the hands of the rip-off artists from Redmond.

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                            • libreoffice@fosstodon.orgL libreoffice@fosstodon.org

                              @jonxion See here: https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2026/02/06/why-ooxml-is-not-a-standard-format-for-office-documents/

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                              #17

                              @libreoffice @jonxion the 2018 presentation is interesting, lots of good details. OOXML crudely reinventing so many other standards, like SVG, proves why it's problematic.

                              All I could think was, "So LibreOffice had to implement all of this for its .docx importer?!" Hats off to the devs who worked on that.

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                              • mkljczk@pl.fediverse.plM mkljczk@pl.fediverse.pl

                                @jonxion@mstdn.social @libreoffice@fosstodon.org because ODF is the standard that’s actually meant to be implementable by different office suites. So-called OOXML standard is overly complex and favorises Microsoft software by design.

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                                #18

                                @mkljczk @jonxion @libreoffice

                                It's been many years since I actually read the specifications, but I was not convinced that ODF was particularly good in this regard this when I did.

                                OOXML had a bunch of things like the infamous 'typeset like Word 97' entry, but they were clearly marked in OOXML as for legacy compatibility (like emoji in Unicode, until the Unicode Consortium went silly). It also has a bunch of things like assuming everyone knows how the Windows GDI drawing model works. It is an objectively terrible standard.

                                ODF and OOXML were both rushed through standardisation too quickly and both were bad specifications.

                                ODF was much shorter than OOXML and that was partly because a lot of things were underspecified, people implementing it just did what OpenOffice did and had to use OpenOffice as a reference because it was the only way to know what you needed.

                                It is uncontroversial to say that OOXML is terrible. But it is a logical fallacy to say 'X is bad, Y is not X, therefore Y is good.

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                                • libreoffice@fosstodon.orgL libreoffice@fosstodon.org

                                  Dear Europe: Germany has shown the way forward, by making the Open Document Format (ODF) mandatory within its sovereign digital infrastructure. Now it's time for other countries to do the same! https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2026/03/23/dear-europe/ #foss #opensource #freesoftware #openstandards

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                                  #19

                                  @libreoffice We 🇩🇪 really did that? Hard to believe.

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                                  • libreoffice@fosstodon.orgL libreoffice@fosstodon.org

                                    Dear Europe: Germany has shown the way forward, by making the Open Document Format (ODF) mandatory within its sovereign digital infrastructure. Now it's time for other countries to do the same! https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2026/03/23/dear-europe/ #foss #opensource #freesoftware #openstandards

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                                    #20

                                    @libreoffice

                                    All well and good until citizens in places like the UK, Canada, America, et. al., start demanding clean drinking water for all from their taps...

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                                    • libreoffice@fosstodon.orgL libreoffice@fosstodon.org

                                      Dear Europe: Germany has shown the way forward, by making the Open Document Format (ODF) mandatory within its sovereign digital infrastructure. Now it's time for other countries to do the same! https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2026/03/23/dear-europe/ #foss #opensource #freesoftware #openstandards

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                                      #21

                                      @libreoffice, мої вітання!

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                                      • f800gecko@mastodon.onlineF f800gecko@mastodon.online

                                        @libreoffice

                                        All well and good until citizens in places like the UK, Canada, America, et. al., start demanding clean drinking water for all from their taps...

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                                        #22

                                        @f800gecko @libreoffice huh? What has that got to do with document formats?

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                                        • david_chisnall@infosec.exchangeD david_chisnall@infosec.exchange

                                          @mkljczk @jonxion @libreoffice

                                          It's been many years since I actually read the specifications, but I was not convinced that ODF was particularly good in this regard this when I did.

                                          OOXML had a bunch of things like the infamous 'typeset like Word 97' entry, but they were clearly marked in OOXML as for legacy compatibility (like emoji in Unicode, until the Unicode Consortium went silly). It also has a bunch of things like assuming everyone knows how the Windows GDI drawing model works. It is an objectively terrible standard.

                                          ODF and OOXML were both rushed through standardisation too quickly and both were bad specifications.

                                          ODF was much shorter than OOXML and that was partly because a lot of things were underspecified, people implementing it just did what OpenOffice did and had to use OpenOffice as a reference because it was the only way to know what you needed.

                                          It is uncontroversial to say that OOXML is terrible. But it is a logical fallacy to say 'X is bad, Y is not X, therefore Y is good.

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                                          #23

                                          @david_chisnall @mkljczk @jonxion @libreoffice No "layout before format before content" document type is ever good. But that's besides the point at this stage. Really happy at least one more vendor lock-in tool is off the table.

                                          Now for the rest of Europe to truly adopt this (both odt and ods).

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